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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013


Contents


Portfolio Question Time


Rural Affairs and the Environment


Rural Poverty



1. To ask the Scottish Government what steps the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment is taking to tackle rural poverty. (S4O-01739)

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

Poverty is an issue that the Government is committed to tackling. It is affected by a range of factors, including employment, health, housing and access to central services. As Mary Fee will appreciate, action on those issues is the responsibility of all my Cabinet colleagues, but we have taken many steps within my portfolio to increase economic growth, to provide skills training, to safeguard jobs and to provide key services, particularly through the LEADER funding stream, and through the Scottish rural development programme.

Mary Fee

A few weeks ago, the Poverty Alliance launched its report into rural poverty and its impact on lone parents. Can the cabinet secretary inform Parliament what measures he has taken to improve the welfare of lone parents in rural communities, who are more at risk of extreme poverty as a result of welfare reform?

Richard Lochhead

I commend the authors for their very important report. The challenges that face lone parents, particularly in the current economic climate and given the welfare reforms that are impacting on them, are very great, so I welcome Mary Fee’s raising the issue.

A number of projects to assist lone parents throughout rural Scotland are supported through LEADER funding, and we are always looking for ways to do that. As Mary Fee also highlighted, welfare reform is presenting huge challenges for lone parents, who might face additional challenges because of their rural location and isolation. The Tory-Lib Dem welfare cuts will have a significant and detrimental impact on vulnerable groups and individuals throughout Scotland, and will do nothing to tackle child poverty or to help lone parents.


Agricultural Support (Direct Payments)



2. To ask the Scottish Government what its position is on direct payments being made to farmers.

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

Scottish farmers receive around €600 million a year in direct payments through the common agricultural policy, which includes €29 million in coupled payments through the Scottish beef scheme. The Scottish Government supports the need for those direct payments, which are vital for Scotland’s farmers, particularly those in less favoured areas, and we will continue to urge the United Kingdom Government to recognise Scotland’s distinct agricultural needs and to support our position in continuing reform of the CAP.

Graeme Dey

The UK environment secretary, Owen Paterson, made it clear to the Oxford farming conference earlier this month that he aspires to see an end to pillar 1 support for farmers, with decisions on food production being left to the market. That could have devastating consequences for Scottish agriculture. Does the cabinet secretary agree that Mr Paterson’s concerning comments are further evidence that the future of Scottish farming can be secured only through independence?

Richard Lochhead

Yes. On many issues there are many hectares between the position that is adopted by Owen Paterson and that adopted by me regarding the future direction of agricultural support. As I said at the time, when he spoke at the Oxford farming conference—when, once again, he called for direct support for Scottish food producers to be phased out as soon as possible—he was perhaps speaking to farmers who live in the rolling acres of Anglia, but he was certainly not speaking to Scottish farmers, given the fact that we rely on that kind of support and given the additional challenges that farmers here, particularly those in the uplands, face. Thankfully, many other countries in Europe recognise that there is a case for continuing direct support.

I noted that Sir Jim Paice, the former Conservative UK Government farming minister, said only in the past few days that the position of phasing out direct payments so quickly is utterly “ludicrous”, and that the rhetoric from his successor, Owen Paterson, appears to be taking us back to the position that was adopted by previous Governments—with that utterly ludicrous aim of removing farming payments.

Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)

No matter what the future holds—let us face it: we have heard all that before—the fact is that, under the reform proposals, basic payments are likely to be capped at €300,000, with banded reductions within that. Does the cabinet secretary share my slight concerns on how that might impact on employment at some of Scotland’s larger farms? I understand that there might be a provision for the reductions to be reduced if they were to have an impact on employment. Does the cabinet secretary share that view? Will he make representations to the UK Government to ensure that it, too, shares that view?

Richard Lochhead

Alex Fergusson is right that there is a proposal to cap farming payments across Europe. My position is that we should not waste negotiating capital opposing that. On the other hand, we want to ensure that it can be implemented on the ground and that it is not so full of loopholes that businesses just create new businesses to get round the cap.

We support the suggestion that the cap should also take into account employment levels; that makes sense. I assure the member that we have made that point to the UK Government in the past.


Scotch Lamb



3. To ask the Scottish Government what action it is taking to encourage supermarkets to stock quality Scotch lamb. (S4O-01741)

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

In my meetings with the major retailers, I take every opportunity to highlight the fantastic Scottish products on offer, including our high-quality Scotch lamb. It is clearly important that supermarkets support our sheep producers, particularly against a backdrop of lower farm-gate prices. As a consequence of the current market conditions, I met the National Sheep Association Scotland on 23 January to discuss the short and long-term difficulties that face the sheep industry, and I hope to make an announcement shortly on possible support for the sector.

Gil Paterson

As the cabinet secretary is well aware, the Scotch lamb label is a protected geographical indication that represents superior character, 100 per cent traceability and a quality guarantee of stricter production methods and controls required by law. What steps can the cabinet secretary take to highlight that important and impressive status for our lamb to food retailers, especially supermarkets at home and abroad?

Richard Lochhead

Gil Paterson rightly highlights that Scotch lamb benefits from traceability and quality, which I believe are criteria that consumers are looking for. I therefore hope that every retailer would ensure that consumers have the opportunity to buy that lamb from the shelves in Scottish supermarkets. Clearly, that happens in some supermarkets, but not in all. We want all retailers to get behind our sheep sector, given some of the current challenges. We are also working with the industry to look at new export opportunities. It is clear that there is untapped potential in overseas markets, so we want to make the most of that opportunity as well.

Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green)

The lack of local abattoirs is a major barrier to all small or large retailers that stock Scottish lamb with high welfare standards. How will a new food body for Scotland support more local slaughterhouses to be viable local enterprises, thereby reversing the trend towards mega-abattoirs and the detriment that they cause to small-scale producers and retailers, and to animal welfare?

Richard Lochhead

I know that Alison Johnstone and other members have a long-term interest in small abattoirs, particularly those in our more rural areas. We have supported new abattoirs in rural areas through some of our existing funding streams, but some of the challenges that face others are, of course, commercial challenges: if they are not making a profit, that is why they close down, unfortunately .

On a future food body, I am not quite sure to what Alison Johnstone was referring. However, the role of the Food Standards Agency is under review at the moment. The FSA has a big role to play in regulating smaller abattoirs. We have certainly discussed with it in the past whether there is any way of alleviating the costs of regulation.


LED Lighting (Environmental Benefits)



4. To ask the Scottish Government what the environmental benefits are of using LED lighting in commercial applications. (S4O-01742)

The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)

There are a number of commercial applications for LED lighting—for example, street lighting and lighting in offices. The environmental benefits of using LED lighting include reducing energy use and a subsequent reduction in CO2 emissions. For instance, replacing 1,000 typical halogen reflectors with energy-efficient LED alternatives will actually save 14 tonnes of carbon dioxide per year. For every 200 bulbs, that is equivalent to taking a car off the road for a year. A substantial component of local authority electricity consumption is the requirement for street lighting, and work by the Scottish Futures Trust indicates that if all street lanterns were converted to LED, it could save local authorities the equivalent of £28 million per annum through electricity bills.

Linda Fabiani

Does the minister agree that we need to place much more emphasis on reducing the amount of energy that is required and consumed, rather than on the constant production of energy? Does he agree that it is important to investigate ways of encouraging potentially high-volume users such as hospitals and schools to take advantage of LED technology?

Paul Wheelhouse

I agree with that sentiment. It is clearly important to think about how we produce our electricity, which the Government is doing, but it is equally important to think about how we can improve energy efficiency.

On the point about high-volume users, the Scottish Futures Trust is working with East Dunbartonshire Council and West Dunbartonshire Council to prepare street lighting energy efficiency outline business cases, with the hope that they can subsequently lead to investment in LED lighting.


Agriculture (Costs)



5. To ask the Scottish Government what recent discussions it has had with farmers’ representatives regarding the impact of high costs of fuel and animal feed on the farming sector. (S4O-01743)

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

I meet regularly with farmers, and the impact of high input costs such as fuel and animal feed is raised frequently, so I am very aware of the consequences for agriculture in Scotland. Although commodity prices are set by international markets and are, therefore, beyond our control, the Scottish Government supports the industry in a variety of ways to help farmers to manage those costs as well as possible.

Those and other challenges are why I was determined to get single farm payments to farmers and crofters as promptly as possible. On the first possible day, 70 per cent were paid, and we have now paid 98 per cent of recipients, thereby putting £437 million into the rural economy.

Bruce Crawford

Does the cabinet secretary agree that, at a time when the economy is teetering on the brink of a triple-dip recession, and farmers in the agricultural sector are facing huge challenges, it would be wrong-headed of the United Kingdom Government to consider increasing the level of fuel duty? Does he also agree that having a fuel duty regulator would be a simple and effective method of ensuring that prices remain stable, and would help to give farmers and the agriculture sector confidence about the stability of future fuel prices?

Richard Lochhead

Bruce Crawford makes an important point about the impact of rising fuel costs on agriculture and other rural industries. At a time when households and businesses are facing rising fuel costs, further increases in fuel duty would clearly be the wrong approach. They would not only directly affect the farming businesses in terms of how much they pay for fuel, but their supplies and raw materials would increase in price as well, due to additional transport costs.

As Bruce Crawford said, a fuel duty regulator would help to address the issue by automatically reducing duty in response to rising oil prices. We have repeatedly called on the United Kingdom Government to adopt such an approach, and its continued inaction simply highlights the need for Scotland to secure the powers to address the issue directly.

Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)

What additional advice and financial support is the Scottish Government providing to farmers in view of the recent severe weather, particularly with regard to field drainage, which must be tackled in a sustainable way, within guidelines? The weather has particularly impacted on Clyde and Forth valley NFU Scotland members in my region, as well as farmers elsewhere.

Richard Lochhead

The recent extreme weather had an impact on agriculture across Scotland, including in Claudia Beamish’s region. I have had a number of conversations with farming organisations about that, and drainage has been raised with me several times. Given that addressing the issue could cost hundreds of millions of pounds, there is no easy financial solution to helping to improve drainage in our farms. However, we are thinking about how the next Scottish rural development plan could take into account the need to improve drainage on our farmland. Of course, the Scottish Environment Protection Agency has also spoken to farmers to find out how it can be of more assistance in terms of regulation.

Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)

The minister will be aware of a recent initiative by Tesco to increase the amount that is paid to its suppliers for beef and pork. Does he accept that the major retailers, as well as Government, have a large part to play in ensuring that farmers get a fair price for what they produce?

Richard Lochhead

At a time of cut-throat competition between retailers who want to increase their profits and perhaps squeeze suppliers’ margins, retailers should recognise that they have a responsibility to protect food security in Scotland and ensure that all our suppliers get a decent return. That is something that I and many other members constantly raise with retailers in Scotland. We should keep raising it. I am sure that consumers are on our side in the argument.


Squirrel Pox (South of Scotland)



6. To ask the Scottish Government what steps it is taking to prevent the spread of squirrel pox in Dumfriesshire and the south of Scotland. (S4O-01744)

The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)

We are working with a range of partners to carry out grey squirrel control to isolate squirrel pox virus outbreak zones and establish pox containment around those areas in the south of Scotland.

The squirrel pox surveillance programme tests diseased red squirrel specimens for signs of squirrel pox virus and other pathogens and undertakes antibody and tissue tests in grey squirrels to detect and map exposure to the virus. The programme is supported by Scottish Natural Heritage and Forestry Commission Scotland. SNH is contributing ÂŁ350,000 to the project between 2012 and 2014. It has also contributed to funding for the development of a squirrel pox vaccine by the Moredun Research Institute. However, it is likely that that project is some years from producing a usable vaccine.

Elaine Murray

I support the policy of red squirrel reserves. However, as we know, it takes the intrusion of only one grey squirrel carrying squirrel pox into a red squirrel area for the disease to spread even before the grey squirrel is culled.

I am pleased to note that the minister is aware of the Moredun Research Institute vaccination programme. I understand that the funding has dried up because the charity that funds the programme does not have the funds to keep it going. What discussions have the minister and his officials had about helping that programme to continue for the time being?

Paul Wheelhouse

Elaine Murray is quite right. The Moredun Research Institute received three years’ funding from the Wildlife Ark Trust and SNH to develop a vaccine to protect red squirrels from the squirrel pox virus.

The institute has costed the next phase of further exploring attenuation and dosage at approximately ÂŁ160,000. It is likely that the cost of developing and trialling a vaccine for use in the field would be a further ÂŁ500,000 and that it would take five to 10 years. The trials will also require wild-caught red squirrels.

The Scottish Government and SNH have not yet been approached for funding for the next phase of the trial.

Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP)

I draw the minister’s attention to another Dumfriesshire issue, which was raised in the Eskdale & Liddesdale Advertiser this week: the frightening rise in liver fluke cases in livestock due to the recent spate of wet summers. What is being done to address that?

Minister, I am not certain that that question is relevant, but you may nonetheless choose to answer it.

Paul Wheelhouse

I will attempt to answer it, Presiding Officer.

Recent press reports are the result of increased publicity by the SRUC—Scotland’s rural college. In the light of a dramatic increase in diagnosis, rising from 57 cases between October and December 2011 to more than 200 in the same period in 2012, the SRUC has highlighted the need for accurate diagnosis and treatment.

Vets from SAC Consulting, a division of the SRUC, suspect that that could be just the tip of the iceberg. Their press release has received widespread coverage in farming and other press and should help to raise awareness in the farming community.

That is remarkably well briefed for a question on squirrel pox.


Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Review)



7. To ask the Scottish Government whether it plans to review the impact of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. (S4O-01745)

The Scottish Government has no plans to review the impact of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

Gordon MacDonald

The Pentland hills regional park celebrated its 25th anniversary last year. However, in recent years, it has experienced a reduction in funding and the ranger staff have been absorbed into the local authority parks department. In light of those changes, does the Government have any plans to protect regional parks by giving them a similar status to national parks?

Paul Wheelhouse

I am aware that the Pentland hills regional park is an important area of countryside in a regional context and provides opportunities for outdoor recreation alongside farming and other land uses. Our national parks, on the other hand, are designated as areas of the highest national value for their landscape, wildlife and cultural heritage and the national park authorities are accountable to the Scottish ministers.

Scotland’s three regional parks and two national parks all have an important role to play in encouraging people to enjoy the outdoors in the year of natural Scotland. However, the Government has no plans to redesignate regional parks as national parks.

Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)

The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 is enforced by wildlife crime officers throughout Scotland. The minister will be aware that there are some concerns about their future. Will he assure the Parliament that the police service of Scotland will protect and develop the important work that the wildlife crime officers carry out?

Paul Wheelhouse

I am happy to tell Claire Baker that we have a strong commitment to the continuing work of the wildlife crime unit. Indeed, I welcome the decision by the United Kingdom minister to continue funding for the foreseeable future. That gives a good basis for the unit to continue its important work in the countryside.


Justice and the Law Officers


Metal Theft



1. To ask the Scottish Government what it is doing to tackle metal theft. (S4O-01749)

The Lord Advocate (Frank Mulholland)

Tackling metal theft is a priority for the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and for the Scottish Government. The range of action by the Scottish Government includes plans to tighten regulation of scrap metal dealers by raising the level of turnover for exemption from the licensing scheme to ÂŁ1 million from 20 February. There are also proposals to prohibit the payment of cash for metal, to remove access to ready cash for criminals.

Those measures are complemented by a robust prosecution policy, which the Solicitor General for Scotland announced last year. The combination of the work of prosecutors and the police and Scottish Government policies should send a clear message that involvement in metal theft at any level will not be tolerated.

George Adam

There has been a recent spate of lead thefts from the roof of one of Paisley’s most historic buildings—the Thomas Coats memorial church. Along with other stakeholders, I have been working towards securing that church’s future. However, the thefts have proven to be a major setback. Does the Lord Advocate agree that those who are responsible for those thefts need to be prosecuted with the full force of the law?

The Lord Advocate

Obviously, I cannot comment on the case that Mr Adam mentioned, as proceedings are live. However, I can say that I agree that metal theft is a problem that the law must tackle robustly. That is why a robust prosecution policy has been developed for metal theft. The policy takes account of a theft’s economic, social, emotional and cultural effect. It has regard to whether the offender has links to serious and organised crime—if so, the libelling of the charge will reflect that. Consideration is also given to using proceeds of crime legislation in every case.

A good example of a successful prosecution in which the metal’s economic value was far exceeded by the economic damage that the theft caused comes from an Ayrshire case in which a man was convicted of metal theft. He was sentenced to imprisonment for the theft of 150 yards of BT cable, which was worth about £1,000. The cable was from a live exchange and the theft put out the phones—and emergency numbers—in the area for three days. That cost about £220,000 to fix.

The police have also made metal theft a priority. Mr Adam will recollect the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland’s cut out metal theft campaign, which I—and, I am sure, members—support.

Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)

Will the Lord Advocate rehearse the extent of the ban that will apply to cash payments for metal? He might be aware that I lodged a motion in March last year that invited ministers to take steps to proscribe cash payments for the sale of even small amounts of metal and to ensure that payments were from credit or bank accounts.

The Lord Advocate

I understand that the arrangements are due to come into force in the near future. I agree with the member that preventing access to ready cash is a worthy aim. As he knows, the market is exploited by criminals, including serious and organised criminals. It is important to know the source of money and where it is going. The ban will assist law enforcement in dealing with the scourge of metal theft in this country.


Edinburgh Agreement (Legal Validity)



2. To ask the Scottish Government what the Lord Advocate’s position is on the legal validity of the agreement between the United Kingdom and Scottish Governments on an independence referendum. (S4O-01750)

The Lord Advocate (Frank Mulholland)

As the member will be aware, there is a long-standing convention that the Government does not disclose whether the law officers have or have not advised on any particular matter. The content of any such legal advice would also be confidential. That convention is recognised in paragraph 2.35 of the Scottish ministerial code.

Anne McTaggart

In response to a question from my colleague Mark Griffin MSP, the Lord Advocate said:

“the Edinburgh agreement, in laying out an agreed route to independence, provided the basis upon which specific legal advice could be sought.”—[Official Report, 7 November 2012; c 13131.]

However, the Lord Advocate will be aware that the Advocate General for Scotland said in a written answer that was published this morning that

“The agreement signed by both the UK and Scottish Governments on 15 October 2012 is a non-statutory statement of the agreement reached between the two Governments ... It has no relevance to matters beyond the process for holding a referendum”.—[Official Report, House of Lords, 29 January 2013; Vol 742, c WA323-4.]

In light of that, does the Lord Advocate fully stand by his previous statements that the agreement itself provided a legitimate trigger to release, or authorise the release of, legal advice on European Union membership?

The Lord Advocate

I have not read the Advocate General’s statement that Anne McTaggart advises was issued this morning. However, I stand by what I said to this chamber on the date that the member referred to.

It is a long-standing convention—applied by the UK Government, the Scottish Government, and Governments in Commonwealth countries—that we do not disclose whether legal advice has been given by or sought from law officers. There are a number of reasons for that convention. It is important that a Government is able to consult its most senior legal advisers without fear that either the advice itself or the fact that the advice was requested—or not—will be disclosed. It allows advice to be given frankly, precisely because it is private. Disclosure of the occasions when advice has or has not been sought from law officers would have the effect of disclosing various matters that the Government judges to have a particularly high political priority or that are ascertained to be of particular legal difficulty or controversy.

It is not for me to discuss or even confirm whether legal advice has been given, or even whether discussions have taken place between UK and Scottish Government law officers. I have noted what Anne McTaggart said about the Advocate General’s comments—that is a matter for the Advocate General. I have articulated my position on the matter and I fully intend to stand by the law officers’ convention and the ministerial code.


Court Closures (Impact on Island Communities)



3. To ask the Scottish Government what consideration has been given to the impact that potential court closures may have on island communities in relation to travel. (S4O-01751)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

The Scottish Court Service continues to give careful consideration to issues of access to justice. Its consultation paper lays out a series of principles on access to justice that have shaped the proposals that have been put forward. As the consultation paper sets out, island courts would remain in Lerwick, Kirkwall, Stornoway, Lochmaddy and Portree.

Mike MacKenzie

Does the cabinet secretary agree with me that there is also scope for greater consideration of travelling times and difficulties when scheduling court cases, especially cases that involve travel to and from islands? Does he agree that such consideration of scheduling could also lead to efficiencies in the court system?

Kenny MacAskill

Absolutely. The member makes an important point—if there is to be any diminution in the number of courts, those are factors to consider. However, they are factors that have always been considered by the Court Service. I remember many years ago, as a practising defence agent, being involved in a trial in Lochmaddy where the scheduling of the cases depended on which ferry was coming from Eriskay or Barra—or indeed which plane was being taken by whom—at which time. Those factors have always been taken on board—in particular in island communities, but also in other communities where bus timetabling has been a factor. I assure the member that such factors and criteria will continue to be considered by the Court Service.

Can the cabinet secretary tell us when we will be told about responses to proposals for court closures in the islands and elsewhere and when he intends to make a decision on whether to bring forward a measure to close Scottish courts?

Kenny MacAskill

As the member knows, it is the Scottish Court Service that carried out the consultation, which is now closed. I have no doubt that the Lord President will be considering matters with the chief executive and others who are involved, and it will be for him to decide where he wishes to take that consultation. If the Lord President wishes to take it further, he will doubtless be in communication with me and I will notify the Parliament about that.


Police Officers (Numbers)



4. To ask the Scottish Government what its position is on the adequacy of the number of police officers carrying out duties in communities. (S4O-01752)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

We currently have a record number of police officers in Scotland, which has contributed to safer and stronger communities, with recorded crime at a 37-year low.

Following police reform, each local authority area will have a designated local police commander, who will work more closely than ever before with locally elected councillors and community planning partnerships to shape local services and prioritise local needs.

Annabel Goldie

In 2008, my party forced the Scottish National Party Government to commit to 1,000 extra police officers. However, I have been informed in a response to a freedom of information request that the total number of officers at their desks on restricted duties has risen from 560 in 2006 to 1,412 in 2011. As that will clearly have a dramatic impact on the number of police officers in our communities, what is the cabinet secretary going to do to restore that number?

Kenny MacAskill

These are fundamentally matters for the chief constable, who is held to account by the Scottish Police Authority. I can say, however, that police officers can be on restricted duties for a variety of reasons, such as pregnancy. Given the increase in the number of female officers, that factor has to be taken into consideration. Equally, officers who have suffered injuries—[Interruption.] That might be a matter of some light-heartedness to Jenny Marra but, tragically, far too many officers suffer injuries in the course of their duties and have to be protected. These issues are discussed by management, unions, the Scottish Police Federation, the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents—which I mentioned earlier—and indeed the chief constable, who has ultimate responsibility.


Police Service of Scotland (Backroom Functions)



5. To ask the Scottish Government what progress is being made by the police service of Scotland to configure its backroom functions. (S4O-01753)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

At the Scottish Police Authority meeting on Friday 18 January, the SPA and the police service of Scotland reached agreement on the high-level design principles for eight key corporate services. Joint work between the SPA and the police service is now taking place to implement that agreement, and proposals for the remaining services are expected to be presented to the next SPA board meeting in February.

Dave Thompson

Despite some rationalisation of backroom functions, many support jobs will be available in the new Scottish police force and I am pleased to hear that progress is being made in that respect. I know that the cabinet secretary agrees that the whole of Scotland must benefit from these jobs, and I want to ensure that the Highlands get their fair share. Given that, does the cabinet secretary agree that some Scotland-wide support functions that are not location dependent must be established in the Highlands on the basis of equity and inclusivity?

Kenny MacAskill

I know that the member is concerned about this issue and has been raising it for some time now. I should point out that the vast majority of support staff will see no immediate change to their place of work on 1 April and that decisions thereafter will be a matter for the Scottish Police Authority and the police service of Scotland. I believe that progress is being made in those discussions and that the chair and the other members of the SPA acknowledge that the whole of Scotland must be recognised—after all, we are talking about the police service of Scotland. If it is of any interest, I note that, as I said in response to an earlier question, I have just come from a meeting with the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents which, it would be fair to say, has a great deal of sympathy with the member’s point.

Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab)

Can the cabinet secretary give us any indication of the current cost of the reform process? When, in a recent written parliamentary question, I asked him

“how many staff from each police force have been assigned to work in the single service reform team units”,—[Official Report, Written Answers, 18 January 2013; S4W-12361.]

I was told:

“The Scottish Government does not hold the requested information.”

Moreover, when I asked

“what the salary cost has been of the time allocated by each police force to the single service reform team units”,—[Official Report, Written Answers, 18 January 2013; S4W-12365.]

the response was:

“The Scottish Government does not hold the requested information.”

Can the cabinet secretary give us any information, please, on the costs of the reform process?

Kenny MacAskill

Labour members sometimes seem to forget that they supported the establishment of a single police service of Scotland; indeed, Jenny Marra seems to spend all her time criticising these moves. The police service and the SPA have to face hard challenges and take hard decisions, but the single service will bring great benefits, win savings and, most important, avoid the situation that is playing out south of the border, where almost as many officers as serve in Scotland will be lost and where the terms and conditions of those who serve are under attack. Even today, further proposals have been made that attack the terms and conditions of those who serve.


Sentencing



6. To ask the Scottish Government what its priorities are for sentencing policy. (S4O-01754)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

At the heart of our approach is the commitment to maintain the independence of Scotland’s judiciary in reaching sentencing decisions relevant to each case. Indeed, that independence is fundamental to guaranteeing fair trials.

Alongside judicial independence, we will continue to keep sentencing policy under review and bring forward proposals to Parliament, as appropriate, to strengthen and clarify the legislative framework within which individual sentencing decisions are taken. We are also discussing with the Lord President arrangements for establishing, before the end of this Parliament, a Scottish sentencing council.

Adam Ingram

Can the cabinet secretary tell me whether the sentencing council will review sentencing practices, which to ordinary citizens do not accord with the proposition that the punishment should fit the crime? For example, a recent spate of housebreakings in Girvan resulted in two perpetrators being caught, tried in Ayr sheriff court and sentenced to just six months and nine months respectively. Under early release provisions, these men will be back on the streets in half that time. As the cabinet secretary will appreciate, local people feel badly let down by a system that deals so lightly with criminals who have violated their homes.

Kenny MacAskill

First, let me say that the member makes a vital point. Housebreaking is an extremely serious offence and is viewed that way by the police, the prosecution service and the judiciary. Housebreaking violates trust and can cause great trauma, as I know from speaking to those involved in Victim Support Scotland, the Procurator Fiscal Service and the police service, who are aware of the significant difficulties and knock-on effects that can last for many years. That is taken very seriously.

Equally, we have to remember that sentencing is ultimately a matter for the judiciary. Having met the Lord President just on Friday past, I think that the judiciary take these matters on board. The steps being taken on judicial training are progressing: the new judicial studies complex up at Parliament house will be of great benefit in ensuring that we can provide information to sentencers so that they can understand the consequences and effects. As I say, that will be of benefit.

I think that I can give the member an assurance that the sentencing council will deal with not so much the individual aspects but the whole nature and gamut of the effects that crime can have on individuals and entire communities, which I think is the valid point being made by the member.


Local Police Commanders (North-east Scotland)



7. To ask the Scottish Government what discussions it has had, or will have, with the new local police commanders for Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire and Moray. (S4O-01755)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

We are working very closely with all the new local commanders as we support them and their partners to trial new local scrutiny and engagement arrangements before the new arrangements go live on 1 April. Both the local commander for Aberdeen city and the local commander for Aberdeenshire and Moray are regular attendees at our quarterly network events, and the two national advisers whom we fund through the Improvement Service visited the north-east pathfinders on 18 January.

Maureen Watt

The team of 14 local police commanders who will serve under the single Scottish police service will develop and implement local policing plans specific to each council ward that are intended to ensure that policing across Scotland reflects the needs of our diverse communities. Can the cabinet secretary advise what input individuals and groups from the local community have had, or will have in future, in developing those plans? How will local priorities be informed and agreed?

Kenny MacAskill

As the member has correctly said, the police service of Scotland has made a commitment to introduce community engagement plans for all 353 multimember wards across Scotland. The community engagement plans will play a key role in informing policing plans at a local authority level.

The national guidance that we published on 17 January emphasises the importance of ensuring that local people have a say in how policing is delivered locally. We will support local partners to ensure that the good practice that emerges from the on-going pathfinders is replicated throughout Scotland.

I can assure the member that it is recognised that making our communities as safe as they can be is a matter not simply for the police and councillors; the police service will need to engage with all those others who have served on community planning partnerships. Only by working collectively will we ensure that our communities are as safe as they can be.


Wildlife Crime



8. To ask the Scottish Government what action it has taken to ensure that combating wildlife crime is a priority for the police service of Scotland. (S4O-01756)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

Tackling wildlife crime continues to be a priority for the Scottish Government. It will be a matter for the chief constable to decide how best to deploy the resources available to him to deliver police service of Scotland priorities, which will obviously include combating wildlife crime.

Angus MacDonald

In the past, we have had mixed reports on the effectiveness of the policing of wildlife crime by Scottish police authorities. What can the Cabinet Secretary for Justice do to ensure that existing best practice in exemplary authorities becomes standard practice in the new national force?

Kenny MacAskill

The member makes a fair point that the approach has been patchy. However, we should recognise that the single service offers an opportunity to level up the situation and to ensure that the good work that we know is taking place is replicated throughout the length and breadth of Scotland.

Wildlife crime is a matter that troubles and is of concern not simply in rural areas but in urban areas. The establishment of the police service of Scotland offers an opportunity to ensure that every area of Scotland gets the best possible police service, especially with regard to wildlife crime.