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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 20 Sep 2000

Meeting date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE

Because this is the first time that question time is on a Wednesday, I would like to make it clear to members that First Minister's questions will begin at 3.15 pm and not at 3.10 pm.


Fuel Poverty

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will raise the issue of fuel poverty at the next meeting of the joint ministerial committee on poverty. (S1O-2283)

The Deputy Minister for Local Government (Mr Frank McAveety):

I am delighted to inform the member that we will raise the issue of fuel poverty in the joint ministerial team. I will highlight the fact that this week we have announced the biggest ever programme to tackle fuel poverty in Scotland. Around 70,000 pensioners and 71,000 other council and housing association tenants will benefit from this radical programme, which will eat into the major problem of fuel poverty in Scotland.

Mr McAllion:

Does the minister agree that the current sense of national crisis over fuel would be better directed towards trying to alleviate the plight of the fuel poor? As the Scottish Executive is doing everything that it can to tackle fuel poverty, will the minister stress to the Westminster ministers on the joint committee the absolute necessity that they act to bring the cost of fuel down to within the price range of the fuel poor? Will he stress that they must outlaw—and I mean outlaw—the obscene practice whereby profit-bloated, privatised power companies force power cards on to some of the poorest people in our country, forcing them to pay more for their fuel than anyone else and ultimately forcing them to disconnect themselves from the fuel supply? That is unacceptable in the 21st century.

Mr McAveety:

We will identify ways in which we can continue to address fuel poverty. The issue that Mr McAllion has raised should be addressed. We will discuss with our colleagues at Westminster the winter fuel allowance, which is now at its highest ever level in Scotland. We want to ensure that we still have the resources to continue the warm deal programme. By working in partnership, we can address the issues that John McAllion has raised. Fuel poverty will be addressed.

Mr Lloyd Quinan (West of Scotland) (SNP):

Does the minister agree that it would be possible—using the powers of the Parliament and the Executive—to develop a voluntary code for the power generating and delivering companies, which would call upon them to exempt all our pensioners from standing charges?

If Mr Quinan writes to me, I will be happy to take that issue forward.

In these days when a car is a necessity in many rural areas in Scotland, does the minister acknowledge that the definition of fuel poverty needs to be extended to cover those who are unable to afford the fuel to run their cars?

That is a little wide of the question. We will move on.


Student Funding

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will review the funding arrangements for students of dance, drama or stage management to facilitate them studying at Scottish institutions. (S1O-2259)

Funding through discretionary bursaries is a matter for local authorities and the Executive has no plans to change the current system.

Mr Gibson:

I thank the minister for her rather disappointing response. Is the minister aware that Ballet West, based at Taynuilt, attracts more than 100 applications a year, from all over the United Kingdom and abroad, for its three-year diploma in dancing and teaching studies, and that it injects significant resources into the local community? Is she also aware that Ballet West has outperformed all other ballet companies in competition, including the Royal Ballet, yet cannot gain access to tuition fee grants, as can its more expensive, less talented competitors from south of the border?

Does the minister agree that failure to ensure equality for Scottish centres of excellence in the arts not only compromises the viability of innovative, world-class companies such as Ballet West—which may have to move outwith Scotland to survive—but makes a mockery of the much-hyped national cultural strategy that was launched only a few short weeks ago?

Rhona Brankin:

As Mr Gibson will know, no accredited dance and drama schools in Scotland currently qualify for awards from the Department for Education and Employment. Scottish students can compete on equal terms with students from the rest of the UK and Europe for places at accredited centres of dance and drama. That is the situation, and that will remain the position until we have an accredited centre for dance and drama.

Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab):

The minister has mentioned that the maintenance of students at drama, dance and music colleges is funded by local authorities through the discretionary bursary system. Is she aware that more than half of Scotland's councils have now taken policy decisions to withdraw the funding of discretionary bursaries? Does that cause the Executive concern, in so far as students from some areas are unable to access funding whereas students from other areas are?

, In the context of the implementation of the national cultural strategy I am happy to take up that issue in discussions with local authorities.


Organ Removal (Guidance)

To ask the Scottish Executive what guidance will be given to hospitals in relation to consent being obtained before the removal of human organs for research purposes. (S1O-2248)

The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon):

Hospitals are already aware that they need informed consent from the next of kin before removing organs for research or any other purpose. Revised guidelines on this matter were issued to the national health service in Scotland in April this year. I am considering what further action is needed in relation to the practice of the retention of organs post mortem.

Can the minister give a clear assurance to relatives that such distress to them will not arise in future?

Susan Deacon:

I certainly want to take whatever action is necessary to ensure that, in future, the highest possible standards of practice are adhered to throughout the NHS in Scotland. That must include a practice of informed consent for parents. To that end, I have had a series of meetings with a range of parents' groups and I will make a statement on the matter shortly. I am pleased to give an assurance that I will do all in my power to ensure that distress for relatives is avoided in future—as it must be.

Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):

I am aware that the minister has met parents whose children's organs were removed without consent. Can she tell the chamber whether she will accede to the overwhelming request from those parents for a public inquiry to determine the details of the practice and to give them the assurance that they seek: that that will never happen again?

Susan Deacon:

I intend to make a full statement on this difficult and sensitive issue. I have listened carefully to a range of views from a variety of parents' organisations. The national committee for organ retention holds a very strong view, as Nicola Sturgeon has indicated, that a full, official public inquiry ought to be held into the matter.

I have received a wide range of representations from other parents and parents' organisations who do not want a full, official public inquiry, not least because it will involve going back many years into the past, over very painful experiences that many parents do not want to be forced to relive.

That said, I respect the views of all parents on the issue, and I want to ensure that we implement sensitive, effective arrangements for dealing with the past that will enable parents to exercise choice to best meet their needs. Those arrangements must also allow the most effective, appropriate arrangements to be put in place to guarantee that such practices will never occur again in Scotland.

Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP):

I must press the minister. We have shared much correspondence on the matter, and she knows that a number of the parents who have been pressing for a public inquiry have asked her to reveal the range of other organisations that are opposed to a public inquiry. She has not yet done that. I think that the case for a public inquiry is overwhelming, so I ask the minister: will she please accede to a public inquiry?

Susan Deacon:

I addressed some of Tommy Sheridan's points in my previous answer. I repeat that my absolute, primary concern is to do what is in the best possible interest of all the parents concerned. The national committee for organ retention has involved about 40 parents. I have also spoken to the Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Society, the Association for Children with Heart Disorders and the Scottish Cot Death Trust. I have also spoken informally to people involved in providing counselling to bereaved parents at Yorkhill and other hospitals.

Those groups, between them, represent the interests of many hundreds, possibly thousands, of bereaved parents in Scotland. When I make a statement on the matter, it will be based on and sensitive to the needs of all those parents. We should be concerning ourselves with the outcome of our work on the issue, not the specific mechanism employed.


National Health Service (Zyban)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether additional resources will be made available to the NHS for the prescription of Zyban. (S1O-2278)

No, there are sufficient funds in the unified budgets of health boards.

Bristow Muldoon:

Does the minister expect extra provision to be made for smoking cessation clinics? I am sure that he is aware that the effectiveness of Zyban also depends on the availability of a comprehensive package of smoking cessation clinics and counselling for smokers.

Iain Gray:

A number of health boards' drug evaluation panels have agreed that Zyban's effectiveness depends very much on additional support such as counselling. I understand that Lothian Health is currently developing a programme of cessation counselling that will take account of this new weapon in the armoury against smoking.

Is the minister satisfied that adequate screening is being done to identify those committed to quitting smoking before they are given Zyban and is he satisfied that adequate counselling and support are given to those who are now taking Zyban?

Iain Gray:

Zyban is a new drug and information about and experience of its use are growing slowly. I agree with Mary Scanlon that doctors must make a clinical judgment before prescribing the drug, and must be convinced that there is a genuine desire to give up smoking and to attend support counselling.


National Health Service

To ask the Scottish Executive what preparations the NHS is making for the forthcoming winter. (S1O-2269)

The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon):

A range of preparations is in place at local and national levels, backed by record investment in the NHS in general and by targeted investment in winter plans in particular. A winter planning group comprising a wide range of experts and staff and patient interests has produced a detailed report, which is now being implemented throughout Scotland.

Malcolm Chisholm:

I welcome all the actions that have been taken, which have been helped by the abolition of the internal market and which the British Medical Association has described as the best ever preparations for the winter. However, there are continuing concerns because of the seemingly relentless rise in the number of emergency admissions and the need to develop community capacity. Can the minister explain the continuing rise in the number of emergency admissions, particularly in relation to respiratory diseases? Without pre-empting the Minister for Finance's statement, can she hold out any hope that priority will be given to the development of community services?

Susan Deacon:

I echo Malcolm Chisholm's view that the fact that we now have a national health service based on collaboration rather than on competition greatly enhances the service's capacity not only to prepare for winter but to provide effective services throughout the year. I endorse the BMA's comments and thank it and other professional groups and staff interests for the contribution that they have made to formulating our policies and plans for the coming winter.

One of the outcomes of the planning process has been to put in place better research and data-gathering processes than ever before, so that we can see how the trends of illnesses change through the winter and during the rest of the year and deal with them accordingly. The flu immunisation programme, launched this week and backed by more than £10 million, is a tangible example of the preventive measures that are being put in place. We continue to oversee health and community care expenditure and policy to ensure that effective measures are in place for winter and throughout the year across Scotland.

Does the minister believe that we will have adequate supplies of flu vaccine to vaccinate the extended groups who are to be immunised, including front-line NHS and social work staff?

Susan Deacon:

Margaret Smith is correct in saying that a far larger number of people than ever before will be offered flu immunisation this year. In fact, the decision to reduce the lower age limit of at-risk groups to 65, as opposed to 75, will result in more than a quarter of a million more elderly people in Scotland being offered flu immunisation this year than last. As was indicated in the question, staff in key services will also be offered the vaccination. I can give an assurance that, as part of our planning process, large stocks of the vaccine have been arranged through the chief pharmaceutical officer and the NHS in Scotland to ensure that all those needs can be met.

Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):

I listened carefully to what the minister had to say. Will she please explain the information supplied by Fife Health Board at the briefing it held for MSPs in Fife last Friday? The board said that even given its early buying strategy for flu vaccine, if all of the Government's target group requested a flu jab, it would have enough supply to cover only 25 per cent of that group. How does the minister explain that?

Susan Deacon:

I am glad to hear that Bruce Crawford listened carefully to my answer. It is a courtesy that is not always afforded to ministers by members of the SNP.

I do not know the details of any meeting held in Fife or elsewhere. However, all the arrangements for the flu immunisation programme were made in full co-operation with health boards across the country and with staff bodies and professional representative bodies. For example, the uptake target, which has been set at 60 per cent, was agreed directly with the British Medical Association. That discussion is reflected in the incentive scheme that we have put in place for the immunisation programme. The arrangements made to put in place stocks of the vaccine also reflect all the discussions that have been held. That is as direct an answer as I can give about the national position.


Cumbernauld Housing Stock Transfer

To ask the Scottish Executive what plans it has to offer financial support to owner-occupiers affected by the proposed stock transfer in Cumbernauld. (S1O-2258)

The Minister for Communities (Ms Wendy Alexander):

We have provided £0.5 million to support an examination of the options. There are on-going discussions between North Lanarkshire Council, Scottish Homes, the Cumbernauld housing partnership and the owner-occupiers, whom I have had the opportunity of meeting through the good offices of Mrs Cathie Craigie, the local member. Their input is influencing the redesign of the improvement grant scheme through the forthcoming housing bill, which we are due to introduce later this winter.

Andrew Wilson:

The minister will understand that the home owners must have concerns, as they have approached me to address them. Will she provide assurances that she will assist with central funding of support to home owners and that that funding will not be limited to the 40 per cent suggested for the improvement grant in her white paper? Does she recognise the special circumstances of joint tenure occupation and the large number of senior citizens who are affected, who are very worried indeed about the grave financial implications of the transfer should it not be accompanied by substantial funding support—up to 100 per cent—for owner-occupiers?

Ms Alexander:

I have indicated that, thanks to the earlier intervention of the constituency member, we have moved to redesign the improvement grant scheme along the lines that the member requested. It is important to recognise that the issue in Cumbernauld has not been the willingness of the public sector to put up money, but the fact that for the first time, we had a situation where there were a large number of owner occupiers and lenders were not prepared to lend. I am therefore pleased to report that the transfer is likely to conclude at the end of this month, because the credit committees of Nationwide and Abbey National have agreed to lend and to approve the new landlord's funding package.

Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):

I thank the minister for the recognition that she has given to the owners and tenants working in Cumbernauld to address the unique position there regarding the former development corporation housing. Tenants and residents are working together in partnership to deal with the problems. I welcome the housing bill and the proposals therein for home improvement grants, but can she assure me that the proposals will be implemented as soon as possible?

Ms Alexander:

I have tried to give an assurance that we expect the transfer to be concluded at the end of the month and the reform of improvement grants to be through as part of the housing bill later this year. The work that has been done in Cumbernauld has been an exemplary demonstration of good partnership between the council and Scottish Homes. That will create a model for the rest of Scotland, where we will be encouraging private lenders to support situations where there is a large number of owner occupiers.


Scottish Qualifications Authority

To ask the Scottish Executive whether the Scottish Qualifications Authority has been able to complete its full programme of moderation of the internal assessment of all educational units for which it has responsibility. (S1O-2276)

The independent inquiry will cover whether normal quality assurance procedures were applied to qualifications leading to exams in 2000. The inquiry report will of course be published.

Linda Fabiani:

When are the moderation procedures likely to be completed and how many candidates are affected? To what extent have students who have completed the higher national certificate and higher national diploma courses not been given their final qualifications because the SQA has not validated their courses?

A number of questions have been posed. Once again I stress that the answers will come from the public inquiry that we have set up and we should await its results before jumping to any conclusions.


National Health Service

To ask the Scottish Executive how it intends to measure success in its programme of modernisation of the NHS. (S1O-2286)

The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon):

Our aims in modernising the health service are to ensure that the NHS is patient-centred, so that patients have a positive experience in all their contacts with the NHS; that the NHS is able to demonstrate that it is efficient, effective and responsive; and that the NHS satisfies the demands of public accountability.

Progress towards those aims will be measured in a number of ways to ensure that the NHS is meeting the needs of the people of Scotland in the 21st century.

Mr Hamilton:

The minister has told us that the process will be patient-centred. How does she square that with the membership of the NHS modernisation board? Is she aware that of the 15 members, 11 are either professionals or managers, two are academics, one is a trade unionist and only one is in any way a patient representative? Does she really think that that is putting patients at the heart of modernisation and what will she do about it?

Susan Deacon:

I am glad that Duncan Hamilton shares my commitment to putting patients at the heart of the NHS and I hope that in his contributions to debate, in this chamber and in the Health and Community Care Committee, he will join me in taking that forward. I am pleased to see his research into the composition of the NHS modernisation board; it shows the very wide range of perspectives that is reflected on that board, just as a wide range of perspectives is represented on the NHS modernisation forum that met for the first time last week.

We are employing a number of mechanisms to get patient input into the process, including getting structured feedback from patients throughout Scotland and working with local health councils, which I am pleased to say are now engaged in a considerable debate on the issue of modernisation. We will continue to ensure that patients are listened to, not just in forming national policy, but in forming decisions at a local level.

John Scott (Ayr) (Con):

Does the minister agree that the length of hospital waiting lists is a measure of the success of the modernisation programme? Is she aware that waiting lists in Ayrshire are still very long, following the previous winter's debacle? Will she ensure that they will not get even longer as this winter approaches?

Susan Deacon:

Waiting lists must be a top priority in NHS modernisation. I am very disappointed by the length of waiting lists in some parts of the country—indeed, in the most recently published figures, 67 per cent of the increase in waiting lists was attributed to four NHS trusts and action is being taken in those areas. I am pleased that more people than ever before are being treated on the NHS, that they are being treated more quickly and that progress and performance on waiting times in Scotland is the best in the UK. I am by no means complacent, however, and will ensure that by investment and reform we continue to make improvements.

Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab):

I thank the minister for her comments on the NHS modernisation board. I understand that the people mentioned are on it not as representatives but as individuals, and that they are all potential patients. Is the NHS modernisation forum now working well and is she satisfied with it? Is the voluntary sector adequately represented on it? Will she publish the full structure, remits and membership of the sub-committees of the board?

Susan Deacon:

A great deal of the information that Richard Simpson asks for is already in the public domain; I am happy to put any further information on the matter into the public domain. I will shortly be writing to a range of additional organisations and to the Health and Community Care Committee to ensure that over the next couple of months, as we work on the development of the health plan for Scotland, a wide range of inputs is drawn in. As I said in response to an earlier question, what matters is not the process but the outcome. We must ensure that, in our priorities, in our investment and in our policy, we deliver results for patients. That is my primary concern.


Fuel

To ask the Scottish Executive what assessment it has made of the effects of high road fuel prices on the Scottish economy. (S1O-2256)

The Scottish Executive is concerned about the impact of high fuel prices on the Scottish economy and routinely monitors fuel prices. It has consequently introduced a series of measures especially to mitigate their impact in rural areas.

Dennis Canavan:

Does the minister accept that the negative economic effects of high fuel taxes led to last week's protest, which even Jack Straw described as a genuine protest requiring a serious response? Was it not therefore foolish of Donald Dewar to dismiss the protesters as an ill-defined, unrepresentative network, as opinion polls revealed that the vast majority of the people of this country feel that ministers are not listening to legitimate demands for a reduction in road fuel tax? Is it any wonder that new Labour is now even more unpopular than the Tory party?

Henry McLeish:

Donald Dewar, among many senior politicians in the country, is listening. It ill behoves Dennis Canavan to take a piece of news coverage and distort it to attack the First Minister.

We need a bit of perspective on this issue. It is right to say that an important protest was made, and the Government is listening. However, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Prime Minister and the First Minister are saying, quite rightly, that it is about the budget process. We must move from blockades to a budgetary perspective.

We will receive a pre-budget report in November and a budget early next year, and the Government will want to listen. Let us stake out—I know that this is a reserved matter, but the issue has been raised—what the last two Labour budgets have done: £400 million of car tax and, despite the fact that, between 1993 and 1996 it was increased by £45 by the Conservatives, the fuel escalator has been abolished. That is an important factor, as the rise that could have been possible, if we had continued with the Tory legacy, would have been much higher. [Interruption.] The Conservatives might not like it, but sometimes facts must be injected, to have a sensible debate.

Vehicle excise duty for five-axle 40-tonners was cut by £1,800, and it was cut by £500 for 30-tonne and 36-tonne lorries. Let us get this debate into perspective. Yes, a protest has been made, but we must now have a measured debate, considering all the issues in the round, including comparisons with what is happening in Europe. Hauliers and farmers must join that constructive debate.

A whole lot of members now want to ask questions, but I am not going to allow a rerun of last week's debate. The question is about the impact of the high road fuel prices on the Scottish economy.

Considering that world crude oil prices are at a 10-year high and are causing the high road fuel prices that have been referred to, has there been an assessment of the likely inflationary impact of that on the Scottish economy?

Henry McLeish:

The Government's inflation targets at a UK level—and I ask members to forgive me for talking about reserved matters—are being met. Key issues such as oil prices are factored into that equation.

People appreciate that the rise in the price of oil from $10 a barrel to $34 a barrel will have a sizeable impact not only on fuel costs, but on the haulage industry and other parts of the economy. Allan Wilson is right to say that all the issues must be considered in the round. One tax cannot be taken out of the equation, and a case built on it, without recognition of the fact that it must be considered in the wider perspective.

Will the minister condemn the orchestrated use of trade union members to spy on the ordinary, individual, hard-working protesters, to inform the Government—[Interruption.]

Order. I said that I would not allow questions that go beyond the subject of the main question, which in this case is about the effect of road fuel prices on the Scottish economy. We are not having a rerun of last week's arguments.


Education (Higher Still)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether ministers were advised by Her Majesty's inspectorate of schools of any difficulties concerning the implementation of higher still within the required time scale. (S1O-2263)

The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith):

In the light of the advice available to them, ministers introduced a one-year rephasing of new highers in 1998. In the light of concerns expressed by teachers, I announced in June a further rephasing of the new English and communication higher.

Christine Grahame:

I find that reply extraordinary. Given that HMI led the development unit to brief schools on higher still and that 85 per cent of the Educational Institute of Scotland—the teachers whom the minister has complimented—voted against implementation, why did he press on with it in any event?

The question is not about pressing on with higher still. It was introduced in 1994 and it took six years for it to be implemented. The question is not why was it pushed forward; it is how come it took so long to introduce it.

Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):

The minister will recall that it took 11 years to introduce standard grade, so there is an argument that higher still was rushed.

Can the minister give a guarantee to the chamber that he will make available to the Education, Culture and Sport Committee all advice issued to him by his officials, including the inspectorate, on the implementation of higher still? Will he disassociate himself from the suggestion at the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee this morning that the ministerial code of conduct would ensure that such advice was kept secret and away from the committees?

Mr Galbraith:

As I have said before, we will do everything to co-operate with committees. What we will not release is internal advice given to ministers, as that would not be appropriate.

I did not quite understand Nicola Sturgeon's question. She suggests that the fact that it took 11 years to introduce standard grade seems to prove that we rushed higher still. I do not follow the logic of that, but then I have never followed the logic of any of her questions.


Family Planning and Sexual Health Services

To ask the Scottish Executive what steps are being taken to support family planning and sexual health services for young people. (S1O-2268)

The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon):

The development of a sexual health strategy for Scotland, the health demonstration project healthy respect and investment by the Executive directly, and through the Health Education Board for Scotland, to improve and expand information on services have the shared goal of improving the sexual health of young people in Scotland.

Dr Jackson:

I thank the minister for her reply and also for her announcement in April that the Scottish Executive would fund four new Brook advisory centres in Glasgow, Aberdeen, Tayside and Forth Valley. Will she indicate the progress of those four centres?

Susan Deacon:

My understanding is that a range of discussions and work has taken place at a local level between the Brook and local health boards to ensure that the investment made available by the Executive is put to good use and that services are provided across the country.

Many other centres and services of this kind have been developed across Scotland. I was pleased to open the Sandyford initiative in Glasgow last week. It is important that our young people have access to the support and services that they need.

Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

Is the minister aware of yesterday's report in the Edinburgh Evening News, which outlined the commercial sale by family planning agencies of sexual aids? Is that commercial activity a core activity? Does it suggest that there might be privatisation of the family planning agency in the future?

Susan Deacon:

I am ashamed to admit, as an MSP who represents an Edinburgh constituency, that—unusually—I did not read last night's Edinburgh Evening News. I therefore cannot comment on the report in question.

This is a sensitive and important area. In formulating policy both at a national and at a local level, we will ensure that developments that take place are taken forward sensitively and for the right reasons.

Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab):

I welcome the healthy respect demonstration project, which will benefit both Susan Deacon's constituency and mine. I also welcome the superb Sandyford initiative, which Glasgow colleagues and I visited during the summer recess.

Will the minister tell us how the Executive will ensure that those examples of best practice are developed throughout Scotland?

Susan Deacon:

We should note the importance of ensuring that best practice is developed across Scotland. I remind members of the scale of the task that we face: there were something in the region of 9,000 teenage pregnancies in Scotland last year, almost half of which resulted in termination, and there is a rising incidence of sexually transmitted infection. The measures to which I referred in my initial answer are key examples of how we intend to spread out best practice across the country.


Retired People

To ask the Scottish Executive what steps it intends to take to assist retired people. (S1O-2270)

The Deputy Minister for Community Care (Iain Gray):

Scotland's older people will benefit from a package over the next three years that will include an extensive programme of measures to provide better care services and concessionary fares. Also, as the Minister for Communities has announced, 70,000 pensioners will receive free central heating and insulation. Those are three of the most important issues for retired people.

Helen Eadie:

Does the minister share the view that was expressed by Age Concern in a news release today that transport has risen to the top of the political agenda, and that for some of the most vulnerable people in our constituencies—our elderly, disabled and young people—the policies and funding that we shape in the Parliament are vital? Does the minister agree that community transport of the sort that is based in Lochore in the constituency of Dunfermline East has an increasing role to play in supporting folks who are affected by transport issues? Will he visit Trans-Fife community transport? Furthermore, does he foresee fare concessions playing an important part in addressing those issues?

Iain Gray:

I agree that in the many meetings that I and colleagues such as Jackie Baillie and Sarah Boyack have had with older people over the past 18 months, transport is one of the first issues that they raise with us. That is why we intend to respond on that issue.

Community transport has a great role to play, as do concessionary fares and some of the measures in the Transport (Scotland) Bill.

Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con):

Does the minister agree that the best service that he and the Executive could do for retired people is to implement the terms of the Sutherland report? At the moment, the Executive party is the only party in the chamber that does not approve the implementation of that report.

Iain Gray:

As recently as last week I pointed out that the timetable for our response to the Sutherland report had been set out in December. I have held rigorously to the position that we would respond in the context of the spending review and in the days following that. Bill Aitken's question is a last-ditch attempt to get me to break that timetable, but I am not willing to do so.


Safer Routes to School

To ask the Scottish Executive what progress has been made in implementing the safer routes to school scheme. (S1O-2253)

The Minister for Transport and the Environment (Sarah Boyack):

In December last year, the Scottish Executive issued guidance on how to run a safer routes to school scheme. In May, I announced additional resources of £5.2 million for local authorities to enable them to implement schemes and, a fortnight ago, I addressed the safer routes to school conference in Glasgow, where practical ideas for implementation were presented and discussed.

Irene McGugan:

I thank the minister for that very positive response. However, does she not agree that more and longer-term investment is needed for this excellent initiative, as it seems that local authorities such as Aberdeenshire Council are experiencing great difficulty in providing safer routes to school? In fact, unless their parents are able to pay the recently imposed bus fares, some of the children attending Banff Academy have to walk three miles to school, either along busy roads, which are often used by heavy agricultural vehicles and have almost no pavements or street-lighting, or on a coastal path, which is unlit and prone to erosion, and in the dreadful weather conditions that sometimes afflict the north-east. Is that a good example of safer routes to school?

Sarah Boyack:

I agree that we need a long-term approach to this matter. That is why we have a 10-year target of reducing child fatalities on our roads by 50 per cent.

In announcing our allocation of £5.2 million to local authorities, we asked them to submit detailed proposals on how they would implement the scheme in their area. I understand that Aberdeenshire Council proposes the creation of five school safety zones at Banff, Westhill, Alford, Aboyne and Stonehaven.

Those zones are designed to include variable 20 mph speed limits, traffic calming features and additional zebra crossings. The council also proposes to add an additional £50,000 to its safer routes to school allocation of £205,000. Work is continuing, and I suggest that Irene McGugan contacts Aberdeenshire Council about the details of implementation, which is the responsibility of the local council.

The minister will be aware that in many parts of the United States there is a blanket 15 mph speed limit around schools. Would she lend her support to such a measure being put in place in Scotland?

Sarah Boyack:

Having 20 mph speed zones around our schools would be seen by many communities as a major step forward. I want to ensure that we establish that priority. It is about safer driving, responsible driving, and giving children alternatives that are safer, but crucially it is also about working with parents, local schools and the police to make sure that any local response is properly worked out and meets local circumstances.

That is the critical issue, and it is not for me to prescribe to schools what they do, but we have given them a range of options and I hope that the best practice guidance that we have given to schools will lead to them delivering best practice throughout the country.