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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 12 Dec 2002

Meeting date: Thursday, December 12, 2002


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


Business Failures

To ask the Scottish Executive what effect the recently published business failure rate in Scotland will have on the economy. (S1O-6083)

The relationship between business failures and economic performance is far from clear cut.

Miss Goldie:

The modesty of that answer explains all about the paucity of the Executive's understanding of business and the economy of Scotland. I will continue more in hope than in expectation.

Official figures show that the number of liquidations, receiverships and administrations soared to a 10-year high in the third quarter of the year. Does the minister agree that the situation wears thin with the aspirations of a smart, successful Scotland? Will he confirm that he is now prepared to do something to bring help to the coalface of business? As a start, will he show a willingness to consider the reintroduction of the uniform business rate?

Iain Gray:

When considering statistics on the economy, it is possible to take a simplistic approach or a serious approach. It is not surprising that, as usual, the Tories go for the former.

A variety of statistics exist on business failure and it is not always clear what lies behind them all. I could argue that Scotland showed an increase in VAT registered businesses last year that was far greater than the increase anywhere else in the United Kingdom apart from Northern Ireland. It is central to a smart, successful Scotland that businesses—small businesses in particular—are able to thrive and grow. Some would argue that, in the spirit of entrepreneurship, it is also important that some will thrive and grow and some will fail. As a society we should recognise that.

What is important is what we do to support the businesses that are succeeding. I am thinking of important measures such as introducing the small business gateway, restructuring regional selective assistance, streamlining small grants through RSA, and the Scottish co-investment fund, which assists businesses that are having difficulty finding venture capital investment.

Another important measure is the freezing of the business rate, which was done for exactly the reasons that Annabel Goldie outlined, in dialogue with business. That measure will help businesses to thrive in Scotland this year and in future years.

Andrew Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP):

Does the minister accept that, despite Scotland's outstanding economic potential, our already mediocre Scottish growth record has got worse since Labour came to power? Does the minister put any of that down to the fact that, according to his predecessor, the First Minister would not take growth seriously and she could not get the economy on to the Labour Executive's agenda?

Will the minister cite one policy from his gamut of policies that will close the growing gap in wealth creation between Scotland and the south-east of England? Will he confirm when that gap will close?

Iain Gray:

The comments about my predecessor, who was responsible for developing the smart, successful Scotland strategy, do not warrant a response—indeed, they are beneath Mr Wilson. We have made it absolutely clear and continue to make it clear that economic growth is our priority. Indeed, I made it clear to the Glasgow Chamber of Commerce this morning that economic growth is our priority and that the economic growth rate that we have seen in Scotland, not only over the past few years but over the past 30 years, does not meet our aspirations for Scotland. We have to pursue a medium to long-term strategy that will allow us to realise our economic potential.

Mr Wilson asks for one difference. I could give him a raft of differences, but I will posit one—the network of three intermediary technology institutes, which the First Minister announced earlier this week. The institutes will allow Scotland to maximise its potential in the three areas of energy, the life sciences and biotechnology, and in information and communications technology and digital media. They will take an approach to building research and development and commercialising it that does not exist anywhere else in the UK. That is an example of the kind of policy that we can pursue that will allow us to maximise our competitive advantage.

Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West):

In view of the threatened closure of Jones & Campbell Ltd of Larbert, the biggest foundry in Scotland, will the minister tell us what progress has been made in discussions between the Executive, Scottish Enterprise Forth Valley and the company on alternatives to closure and on finding alternative employment for the workers if the foundry's closure goes ahead?

Iain Gray:

Mr Canavan has stayed close to this matter, as I would expect, and I have had some correspondence with him on the issue. I have made it clear to my officials that I wish to be kept up to date with the discussions about either avoiding the closure or, in the case of closure, what can be done to support the work force. In all fairness, I think that it would be best for me to give the most up-to-date report possible. We could perhaps undertake to get that up-to-date report and provide it to Mr Canavan as soon as that is practicable.


Firefighters (Pensions)

To ask the Scottish Executive what steps it has taken in the light of recent developments to ensure that firefighters' pensions will be fully funded without any need to cut front-line services. (S1O-6070)

The Deputy Minister for Justice (Hugh Henry):

In the current financial year we are making an additional £5.4 million available to fire authorities to assist in meeting rising pension costs. Significant additional provision has also been made over the next three years through the 2002 spending review, in recognition of pension pressures. The requirement to fund pensions should not lead to any reduction in front-line services.

Fiona Hyslop:

Will the minister join me in paying tribute to the firefighters and to their professionalism and bravery in fighting the old town fire earlier this week? [Applause.]

I raised the issue of pensions with the Minister for Justice in February. There are concerns that front-line services might be cut in order to tackle the pensions issue. The minister set up a short-term working group, which examined not the terms and conditions of the pensions, but the operation, management and structure of pay-outs.

The minister has just indicated that about £5 million will be available this year, but my understanding is that the Executive has not in fact yet released that £5 million for this year. Will he confirm when the short-term working group is meant to report? It was meant to report by the end of this year.

Hugh Henry:

I am sorry, but I could not hear all of that, Presiding Officer.

I join the member in congratulating the fire staff who attended the recent blaze in Edinburgh. Their professionalism and commitment in response to the incident were evident.

We have taken seriously the issue of pensions, hence the additional allocation of £5.4 million. In 2003-04, there will be an additional £9 million; in 2004-05 there will be another £15 million; and in 2005-06, there will be another £19.5 million.

We believe that we have addressed the fundamental problem. Grant-aided expenditure for the fire service throughout Scotland has been rising. It is kept under review during our deliberations. I believe that we have done everything that we have needed to do to address the problem.


Forth Bridge (Refurbishment)

To ask the Scottish Executive what discussions it has had with Network Rail about the timetable for refurbishment and remedial work on the Forth bridge. (S1O-6078)

Maintenance, replacement and repair of track and signalling equipment, including on the Forth railway bridge, are operational matters for Network Rail, with which we have a wide range of discussions on a wide range of issues.

Tricia Marwick:

I thank the minister for that non-answer. The Forth bridge is not just one of the engineering wonders of the world, it is an essential rail link for Fife and the north. Recent reports suggest:

"there is a backlog of work which will take between ten and 14 years and cost up to £280m to complete."

Will the minister make strong representations to Network Rail that the work must go ahead and that we must know a time scale for the work as soon as possible?

Lewis Macdonald:

Like Tricia Marwick, I look forward with interest to the findings of the scoping study that Network Rail is carrying out on meeting its responsibilities for the Forth railway bridge. I understand that it expects to have the results of the scoping study early next year. The study will address both the short-term and the medium to long-term refurbishment needs. Only after those results are known will Network Rail know what time scale will apply and what the costs might be.

Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab):

Will the minister investigate what can be done to ameliorate the very worst effects of the lack of maintenance on the rail bridge on the community of North Queensferry, which is directly below the bridge? The community has suffered for a considerable time now. Since I came to the Parliament and before then, there have been grave concerns about pieces of rust and other parts of the bridge falling on to homes and individuals in North Queensferry. That is causing serious concern. I am also concerned about the increase of £40 million in the basic costs, which now stand at £280 million.

Lewis Macdonald:

As I said in response to the last question, the final costs to Network Rail are not clear. Network Rail is still in the process of receiving a report from those whom it has commissioned to scope costs.

I am aware of the concerns of people in North Queensferry, which the member has raised with me, and I know that Network Rail will take those into account. I understand that Network Rail's contractors have begun repainting and repair work along the most affected sections of the bridge.


Canals

To ask the Scottish Executive what its strategy is with regard to improving the infrastructure of canals. (S1O-6108)

The Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Iain Gray):

Our recently published document "Scotland's Canals: an asset for the future" lays out our vision and aspirations for the Scottish canal network. In that document, we stress the importance of maintaining and improving canals. However, the strategy for improving their infrastructure is primarily an operational matter for British Waterways.

Michael Matheson:

I am sure that, like me, the minister welcomes the fact that Scotland's Lowland canals have reopened after some 70 years. What action is the Executive taking to ensure that we maximise the potential economic benefits of the reopening of canals? Will the minister join me in congratulating Falkirk Council on establishing, with British Waterways, a response squad to ensure that canals are maintained to a high level and remain a tourist attraction? Will he encourage other councils through whose areas canals run to establish similar teams?

Iain Gray:

I have no problem repeating Mr Matheson's welcome for the work that has been done around Falkirk. The Falkirk wheel is one of the most popular attractions—if not the most popular attraction—in Scotland. It has been a catalyst for understanding the canals' potential to promote economic regeneration. Michael Matheson is right to say that we must raise awareness of that potential in Scotland more generally. That was one of the main reasons for the publication of the document "Scotland's Canals: an asset for the future".

In the budget, we have increased the resources that British Waterways receives from the Executive by some 23 per cent. We expect British Waterways to build on those resources and to work with partners such as local authorities to maximise the canals' potential. Our canals were ignored and neglected for far too long. Now that they have been refurbished, we have a real opportunity to move forward. We must never again allow them to be neglected.

Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):

I declare an interest: I have been actively involved in the Forth and Clyde Canal Society since 1984 and pushed hard for the millennium project.

Everyone agrees that the millennium project has been an enormous success. The minister will be aware of the increase in visitor numbers to the canals. British Waterways is projecting that next year about 7.5 million people will visit the canals, which can be regarded only as a success.

British Waterways is keen for the Scottish Executive, Scottish Enterprise and VisitScotland to work with it to promote awareness of the benefits that canals can offer not only to the people who use them, but to the many people who visit them and to communities bordering canals. How will the Executive work with British Waterways, Scottish Enterprise and VisitScotland to ensure that we make full use of the canals' potential?

Iain Gray:

The great thing about question time is that one always learns something. I had always thought that Cathie Craigie had a constituency interest in canals, of which I was well aware. I now realise that her interest in canals is much more profound and goes back much further. That interest is much to the member's credit. I know that she has been very involved both in the regeneration of our canals and in looking forward to what is now possible.

We have seen the beginning of much greater use of our refurbished canals—that development is to be welcomed. However, Cathie Craigie is right to say that we will benefit from it only if everyone involved—local authorities, the enterprise network, VisitScotland, voluntary organisations and the communities through which the Forth and Clyde canal passes—works together. One of the primary purposes of the document "Scotland's Canals: an asset for the future" was to ensure that those links are strengthened where they exist and formed where they do not. We will do everything possible to encourage that process.

Profound or not, questions and answers are getting very long.

Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):

Will the minister confirm that the Falkirk wheel has brought considerable added tourism interest to the area? Does he agree that a Scottish Premier League team in Falkirk could do much the same and that fans could travel by canal? On that basis, and with regard to Falkirk and Inverness, does he agree that money set aside for improvements to stadiums for Euro 2008 could perhaps now be spent on the stadiums of first division teams that aspire to the premier league?

That is well wide of the question.

My answers are: yes; yes; yes; and I could not commit to that just now.


National Health Service<br />(Innovation and Good Practice)

To ask the Scottish Executive how it is promoting innovation and developing good practice within the NHS. (S1O-6095)

There is a range of initiatives to turn good practice into common practice and support front-line staff as they lead change. That will be given renewed impetus through the recent establishment of the centre for change and innovation.

Brian Fitzpatrick:

I am obliged to the minister for that answer. The minister will be aware of the promising results emerging from the establishment of disease registers and from heart and stroke secondary prevention clinics. Such clinics are now being run in all general practices in Strathkelvin and Bearsden. Is the minister aware of the prospects that they offer for substantial disease prevention, perhaps to the extent of a reduction of 30 to 40 per cent? Does he agree that such pioneering work might make a real difference to patient care and will he consider how such good practice might be best promoted and better supported?

Malcolm Chisholm:

There are, of course, two kinds of prevention: there is primary prevention, which involves issues such as diet; and there is the secondary prevention to which Brian Fitzpatrick referred. More of that is being done in primary care and that is a key feature of the change agenda that we see before us in the health service. We want to encourage more to be done in primary care and to develop better links between general practitioners and other primary workers and hospitals and the rest of the health system.

That is exactly what will happen over the next year through the creation in every area of Scotland of managed clinical networks for coronary heart disease. We will certainly support those developments. Some of that is about resources, as there has been a lot of extra investment in primary care, but some of it is about working with primary care workers so that they can learn from each other and lead the changes that everybody wants to see.

Given that good practice includes value for money, what is the minister doing to tackle the problem of the costs involved in the use of agency nurses?

Malcolm Chisholm:

I am certainly concerned to see that the number of agency nurses is rising in certain parts of Scotland, although I point out that, in the member's area of Tayside NHS Board, the amount of money spent on agency nurses is 34 per cent less than it was a year ago. That is a good example, which other boards in Scotland should follow. The other thing that should be said in relation to that and to today's Audit Scotland report is that, although bank and agency nurses are put together in today's report, there is a clear distinction between them. Bank nursing is a good thing. Bank nurses are NHS employees who want to work in a bank, because they want to work flexibly. That must be distinguished from agency nursing, which we are doing everything we can to reduce.


School Standards

To ask the Scottish Executive what action it will take to improve standards of literacy and numeracy in schools. (S1O-6101)

The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson):

Following the publication of the literacy and numeracy statements in June, Learning and Teaching Scotland has appointed two national development officers to work closely with education authorities and schools to help to promote literacy and numeracy. A national two-day seminar on literacy and numeracy will take place in the new year and a website will be launched to highlight good practice.

Mr Home Robertson:

I welcome those initiatives and I sincerely hope that Scottish state school pupils will continue to achieve higher standards than I was able to achieve at a certain private school in England. Is the minister satisfied that the curriculum is sufficiently challenging to ensure that children achieve good standards in the three Rs? Will she comment on the alphabet magic system that has been developed in East Lothian? I think that she saw it in practice in Longniddry Primary School during a recent visit. I would have been there had the minister's private secretary written me a letter to let me know that she was coming.

Cathy Jamieson:

I certainly have no complaints about the member's literacy skills; he writes me enough letters and I am sure that he will continue to do so. The point that he made about the visit to Longniddry Primary School is well taken. I enjoyed the visit to the school, which has been using an imaginative approach that has been developed by a range of people in the school who are part of the school team, including a very enthusiastic head teacher, teachers, classroom assistants and nursery nurses. The system appears to be producing excellent results. I want such good practice to be highlighted.

Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):

Does the minister agree that one further method of promoting standards of numeracy among our children would be for elected representatives to lead by example in displaying scrupulous numerical accuracy? Is she aware that although 44,000 jobs are dependent on the fishing industry in Scotland, the Prime Minister estimated the figure to be only 14,000? He was wrong by a factor of three. Will she arrange for the Prime Minister to undertake a class of elementary mathematics?

Cathy Jamieson:

Although I fully recognise the problems that fishing communities face, I had hoped to be able to make a more constructive comment on education. If the member would care to write to me to express his concerns about education and schools, I would be happy to respond.

Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

Is the minister aware that two of the local authorities that perform best in education—Stirling and East Renfrewshire—swear by the effects of their standardised testing, as opposed to the national testing that the Executive uses? Will the Executive learn from that by considering improving its national testing so that it matches up to the standardised testing that is used by Stirling Council and East Renfrewshire Council?

Cathy Jamieson:

If the member had cared to look at some of the material that was produced when I launched the literacy and numeracy statements, he would know that we wish to develop a set of common principles and a framework for assessing reading skills right through from pre-school to secondary education. Although it is important for local authorities and schools to have the option to make use of best practice, we must ensure that we put that in the context of a national framework.

Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab):

The minister will know that there is considerable concern about achievement in secondary 1 and secondary 2. Will the minister outline what plans she has for basic numeracy and literacy, particularly for children who, for whatever reason, underachieve at those stages?

Cathy Jamieson:

Sylvia Jackson has highlighted a critical issue to which a number of recent reports have drawn attention. Improving standards in S1 and S2 is one of the priorities that the development officers who will work on literacy and numeracy will examine. They will also examine the transition from primary school to secondary school and the disparity in attainment between girls and boys, and they will focus on pupils in the most disadvantaged areas. We will seek to build on that work and to continue that focus.


Defibrillator Provision

7. Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):

Before I ask my question, I declare an interest as a patron of the Borders-based charity, Scottish HART, which stands for Scottish Heart at Risk Testing.

To ask the Scottish Executive what public facilities, other than hospital buildings, are required under statute to provide defibrillators. (S1O-6086)

The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Mr Frank McAveety):

We are not aware of any statutory responsibility to provide defibrillators in public facilities. Our national advisory group on cardiac services will keep under review the evidence on the effectiveness of providing defibrillators in public places as it emerges.

Christine Grahame:

I thank the deputy minister for that answer. In his absence, I also thank the Minister for Health and Community Care for the meetings that he has had with Mrs Wilma Gunn in relation to Scottish HART.

I am worried that the minister is not concerned that defibrillators are not provided in places such as the Edinburgh royal commonwealth pool and Waverley station. Will he investigate that situation and will he support Scottish HART and other charities that seek to provide defibrillators in places to which many members of the public have access?

Mr McAveety:

I said that there were no statutory responsibilities to provide defibrillators in public facilities, but if local assessment revealed that it would be appropriate to have such a medical facility, we would welcome that. We have examined other models that address issues relating to cardiac arrest. One of the most compelling pieces of evidence on the subject is that greater general awareness of resuscitation skills makes a much more effective contribution to intervention than does provision of defibrillators. Although they are welcome, defibrillators make only a marginal contribution. That said, there is nothing to stop the development of local initiatives. Excellent examples of such initiatives already exist throughout Scotland.

Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD):

Is the deputy minister aware of Lanarkshire NHS Board's action in relation to defibrillators, which recently had happy results in Strathclyde park? Will he consider having discussions with major retailers such as Safeway plc, J Sainsbury plc and Asda about the provision on a partnership basis of defibrillators in major areas of public resort? Will he encourage NHS boards to take the issue on board and to deal with associated training issues?

Mr McAveety:

We would be happy to work in partnership with anyone involved in the arena to ensure that such facilities are available if appropriate, but we would do so only after proper and rigorous assessment to ensure that such provision would make a genuine difference in local communities. Lanarkshire was highlighted; that has been a welcome development, and we are keeping an open mind about any future development. We think that partnership would be important, particularly in areas where the public gather. Irrespective of the commercial aspects of the organisations that are involved, such suggestions would be taken into account and we would welcome innovative ideas.


Deprivation (Glasgow)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether the city of Glasgow is a special case with regard to the provision of Executive funding to address poverty and deprivation and their consequences. (S1O-6103)

The Minister for Social Justice (Ms Margaret Curran):

Glasgow City Council receives the highest general revenue grant per head of any mainland council, set at more than 25 per cent above the Scottish average. Glasgow also benefits through several other Executive programmes that address poverty and deprivation, such as the better neighbourhood services fund and investment in Glasgow's social inclusion partnerships.

Tommy Sheridan:

Does the minister recognise that one in three people in Glasgow lives in poverty, compared to one in eight in Scotland; that Glasgow has seven out of 10 of the UK's unhealthiest parliamentary constituencies; that Glasgow has 83 per cent of the worst areas of deprivation in Scotland and that 41 per cent of the children of Glasgow live in families that are dependent on income support? With that level of poverty and deprivation concentrated in Glasgow, why is it that in each of the past two years and in the next three years, her Executive is awarding Glasgow less than average increases in grant aid support? Is not it the case that her Executive is anti-Glasgow and prefers rhetoric to reality as far as tackling poverty in Glasgow is concerned?

Ms Curran:

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. That is the most absurd point that I have heard from Mr Sheridan.

Glasgow is indeed a special case and we do recognise the scale of poverty, as I have just demonstrated. I could go on at length to tell him the things that we are doing to address poverty in Glasgow, but I hope that he will bear with me while I highlight two very significant points. I really do not have the time to address the detail of such rubbish.

Tommy Sheridan knows as well as I do about the local government figures, and it is time to be clear about that. I remind him that that is why Glasgow elects a Labour council time after time after time.

Less than average increases!

Presiding Officer, I would like a chance to answer the question.

Yes, go on.

Ms Curran:

Just occasionally, Tommy Sheridan should show some courtesy. He knows as well as I do that Glasgow receives one of the highest settlements, as I made clear in the figures that I gave in my answer. The changes that have been announced recently reflect the changing circumstances in Glasgow, and the settlement that has been accorded reflects those changing circumstances.

I share an absolute commitment to dealing with poverty. I am on record on my commitment to that and I tackle it with great energy. One of the requirements of my job is to say, "What will I actually do to tackle poverty?" Unlike Mr Sheridan, I do not just cant. Does he know what I have done to tackle poverty? We are about to launch the biggest investment in Glasgow's housing that the city has ever seen. It will be a radical transformation of Glasgow's housing, but Mr Sheridan opposed it because that is all he can do.

Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab):

Does the minister agree that, despite his rhetoric, most of Tommy Sheridan's proposals on issues such as free school meals would export money out of Glasgow rather than give money to the city? Does she acknowledge the importance of factoring in deprivation in distribution of moneys throughout Scotland, which is activity from which Glasgow certainly benefits?

Given that only one out of every three jobs that are created in Glasgow is taken by a Glaswegian, will the minister work with the Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning to ensure that Glasgow citizens are fully able to benefit from the economic regeneration of the city?

Ms Curran:

I absolutely recognise those points and I am committed to ensuring that we work on poverty in Glasgow and throughout Scotland. We must give due recognition to pockets of poverty elsewhere in Scotland. I would like to mention something that has never been highlighted by the opposition parties in the chamber. All the reports that have been produced on poverty recently have given significant credit to the work of the Executive in having the courage to say that poverty is a long-term problem and for beginning fundamentally to tackle the problem.

Poverty is rising.

Ms Curran:

Those reports have given credit to the range of efforts that are being undertaken by the Executive. [Interruption.]

Far be it from me to criticise others for things I do myself. I know that I shout in the chamber, but I tell Tommy Sheridan that occasionally it is worth listening to an answer so that we can get into a proper debate.

Mr Kenneth Gibson (Glasgow) (SNP):

To be frank, I think that the minister doth protest too much. Is not the minister ashamed that new Labour has not only failed to reduce poverty in Scotland but has actually failed to stop it rising since coming to power five and a half years ago? Never mind new Labour's fiddled figures; those are the figures that the Joseph Rowntree Foundation published last week, to the embarrassment of the minister.

Will the minister explain how giving Glasgow the worst local government settlement of any of Scotland's 29 mainland authorities over the next three years can possibly reduce the gap between the level of poverty in Glasgow and that in the rest of Scotland? Is not it the case that poverty will continue to get worse in Glasgow relative to the rest of the country because the Executive does not see Glasgow as an area where it can win extra votes next year? The Executive takes the city for granted and anyone who looks at the figures knows that money is going into the marginal constituencies—

Order. We are getting a speech now.

Ms Curran:

I think I got the gist of that. The SNP and other parties do not understand—[Interruption.]

I will just have to go on for longer if members interrupt me. I am quite happy doing this; I enjoy it. This is good political debate and I am up for it.

I was going to refer to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report. I had reports from that foundation's conference on Monday that recognise the efforts that the Executive is making. Anyone who is acquainted with the poverty debate will ask what we should do to tackle poverty. The answer is that we should change the conditions in which poor people live and create opportunities. We all know that work is the best route out of poverty and the Executive is addressing those fundamental issues in partnership with the Westminster Government.

It is important to understand that we are tackling poverty in Scotland and that there are fewer poor people in Scotland. The challenge that remains is the relative gap—incomes are rising and the relative gap remains. We are closing that gap, but I need to find out from Kenny Gibson how the SNP would address it.

Not during question time.

Do we have a commitment from the SNP that it will reduce incomes in order to reduce that gap? We have said that we can lift everyone's income and still tackle poverty. The SNP cannot.

John Young (West of Scotland) (Con):

Is the minister aware that there was less poverty and less deprivation in Glasgow under the last Conservative administration than there is now under Glasgow City Council? Is she also aware that one of the main reasons for that was that there was far more employment in Glasgow when we had a national Conservative Government? Will the minister comment on those comparisons? Kenny Gibson is quite right that we have had many Labour administrations and there is a lot of rot going on in Glasgow now.

Ms Curran:

A lot of nonsense is talked in the chamber, but that must come the close to being the worst. Iain Duncan Smith had the audacity to visit Easterhouse in my constituency, where he did not get a very warm welcome, despite what the Conservatives' public relations people said. He could barely find anyone to talk to. However, the people who did talk to him—

When was Tony Blair there?

Ms Curran:

Mr McLetchie asks, "When was Tony Blair there?" Tony Blair was at one of the highest-achieving schools in my constituency in the east end of Glasgow—a brand new school—to congratulate the Executive and Glasgow City Council for the work that they are doing to turn poverty around.

The Conservatives cannot pretend for a second that unemployment rates in Glasgow were acceptable during the Tory years. That is why a Tory cannot be found in Glasgow.

Question 9 has been withdrawn.


Broadband (Highlands and Islands)

To ask the Scottish Executive what action it is taking to increase the availability of broadband across the Highlands and Islands. (S1O-6080)

The Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Iain Gray):

Last week I published an update to our broadband strategy, which details the actions that we are taking to increase availability of broadband in Scotland, including in the Highlands and Islands. At the same time, I announced a new initiative, worth up to £24 million, which is aimed at accelerating and widening the reach of broadband throughout Scotland.

John Farquhar Munro:

I am sure that the minister will appreciate that the widespread distribution of broadband technology in rural areas is vital to maximising those areas' economic potential and in helping to break down geographic barriers. Do the specifications for the pathfinder project allow for broadband technology to be rolled out throughout the Highlands and Islands?

Iain Gray:

Yes. The purpose of the pathfinder project is to aggregate public demand for broadband in order to stimulate the roll-out of broadband accessibility in the Highlands and Islands and in the south of Scotland. Procurement started formally last month.

I call Rhoda Grant.

Does the minister agree that—

I said Rhoda Grant.

Sorry. It was worth a try.

Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):

That's what I call a "chancer".

What action is being taken to help the remote and sparsely populated areas of the Highlands and Islands where broadband technology is not available through normal sources? Is assistance available for businesses that wish to access broadband technology by satellite?

Iain Gray:

Assistance is available. The truth is that achieving broadband availability throughout Scotland was always going to require a mixture of different technologies. We continue to try out power-line carrier technology, and there will be a major trial of wireless technology in the Western Isles by the enterprise network. Highlands and Islands Enterprise is already working with businesses in the Highlands and Islands to pursue the possibility of using satellite technology for broadband access.

Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):

The minister will be aware that a key part of Executive policy for rolling out broadband is to aggregate public sector demand in terms of local authorities, health, education and so on, and thereafter to hope that private industry will provide some of the infrastructure. Is he happy with the current assessment of public demand? Is he happy with the level of private investment, and is there an additional role for Government in terms of the infrastructure for broadband facilities?

Iain Gray:

In answer to the first supplementary question that I was asked I said that the pathfinder project is exactly as Mr Hamilton described; it has gone out to procurement. We expect to see strong expressions of interest that will deliver the benefits that we all want to see in the Highlands and Islands and in the south of Scotland. The truth is that predicting how the broadband telco market will operate has been an inexact science in the last year or so. We have always made it clear that where the market fails to deliver what we want, we will intervene. That is exactly why we introduced our new intervention of £24 million, which is aimed at enabling more digital subscriber line exchanges. We have great confidence in the pathfinder project, but we will monitor it and see what comes back in terms of expressions of interest.


Transport (North-East)

11. Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):

To ask the Scottish Executive when it will make a decision on whether it will make a substantial contribution to the £247 million that is needed to implement the north-east Scotland transport partnership's plans for a modern transport system for the north-east. (S1O-6094)

We expect to receive the outcome of the transport appraisal of the modern transport system from NESTRANS early next year.

Mr Rumbles:

Is the minister aware of the evaluation that is currently being carried out of the potential demand for the reopening of Laurencekirk station, which was commissioned by ScotRail? Will that information be taken into account by the Executive when it considers the transport problems that face the north-east and when it makes a decision next year?

Lewis Macdonald:

I am aware of that evaluation. It is clear that it is for Aberdeenshire Council, as the lead authority in the investigation, to examine how best it can include the information in its wider proposals. The modern transport system rail proposal in Aberdeenshire is specifically for the Aberdeen crossrail project to deal with and is, as I understand it, currently being specced on the basis of improved train connections between Inverurie and Stonehaven via Aberdeen. That is the project about which we expect first to receive detailed results from the transport appraisal.

Further proposals for rail links in the north-east are a matter for the local authorities. Both the local councils that are promoting the modern transport system have done so in a constructive way and have entered into an effective partnership in carrying forward the proposals. I expect that partnership to continue, and that it will attract the support and partnership of the councils' private sector partners.

Will the minister answer Mr Rumbles's first question? When will the Executive make a decision with regard to the project? Will it be before or after the election?

Lewis Macdonald:

If Mr Adam had listened to my first answer, he would have heard me say that we will receive the transport appraisal early next year. As has been made clear on many occasions, the decisions that follow that will include decisions about carrying forward the project. The timetable will depend partly on how quickly the promoting local authorities—Aberdeen City Council and Aberdeenshire Council—are able to bring forward the final transport appraisal. We will examine that as quickly as we can and thereafter conduct an appraisal as rigorously as we appraise every transport proposal that comes before us.

Members will have noticed that we have not got far down the list of questions, so let us see whether we can do better during First Minister's questions.