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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 12 Jan 2006

Meeting date: Thursday, January 12, 2006


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


Environment and Rural Development


European Fisheries Council

To ask the Scottish Executive what its assessment is of the effect on the Scottish fishing industry of the outcome of the December 2005 meeting of the European Union fisheries council. (S2O-8684)

The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie):

I believe that, at the December fisheries council, we secured a satisfactory outcome for Scotland's fishing industry. We negotiated a substantial increase in Scotland's nephrops quota and successfully reduced the cuts in the haddock quota from the original 41 per cent to 13 per cent and in white-fish days at sea from 15 per cent to, in effect, 1.1 per cent. The precise impact of the settlement will depend on the circumstances of individual fishermen. However, it is clear that we achieved our overall aim of a settlement that promotes sustainable fisheries and ensures a fair deal for Scotland's fishing communities.

Mr Wallace:

I thank the minister for his efforts at the fisheries council. However, does he accept that, despite those efforts, the cumulative effect over recent years of reduced haddock quota and reduced days at sea is estimated to have cost the Orkney white-fish fleet some £0.25 million simply to stay still, if skippers choose to buy or lease in additional quota or days? What plans does he have to rethink haddock management in the North sea? Does he accept that the scope that he—or indeed any minister—had to negotiate a better deal on haddock was limited by the outcome of the EU-Norway talks that took place before the council, at which no minister was present and which was dealt with by officials? Will he, before this year's talks, try to ensure that there is ministerial representation at the EU-Norway negotiations, which are fundamental to the ultimate outcome of the council? [Interruption.]

Order.

Ross Finnie:

I shall take the latter point first. As Jim Wallace well knows, the EU-Norway discussions have always taken place in that way, and they affect a range of member states. The negotiators for the EU-Norway talks require a slightly more specific mandate. As he suggests, those talks would be improved by having ministerial representation, although we would have to cover the position of a large number of member states and other coastal states that take part in those talks.

I am pleased that the EU-Norway haddock management plan comes up for renewal this year. We have had preliminary discussions with our scientists, and I will be convening a meeting soon with the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, our scientists and other stakeholders. Given the importance of the haddock stock to the Scottish fishing fleet, Scotland should be on the front foot in suggesting amendments to the existing plan, not just to take account of the diminishing state of the year class of 1999 but to be clear about how we are going to manage what appears to be a successful recruitment in 2005.

Richard Lochhead (North East Scotland) (SNP):

Does the minister acknowledge that not only Jim Wallace but his ministerial and party colleague Tavish Scott do not accept that the deal in December was a good one for Scotland? Indeed, Tavish Scott's comments attracted the headline "Scott urges better deal for Shetland fishermen" in The Press and Journal last week.

Does the minister himself accept that the deal was not a good deal for Scotland? Will he publish an action plan indicating how he intends to take forward many of the issues raised by other members, including members of the Scottish National Party? Those issues include tackling the rising fuel costs faced by the fleet, which would help fishermen to achieve increased profitability; access to quota held by retired fishermen, so that active fishermen can enjoy the benefits of the quota that is given to Scotland; and improving the haddock and monkfish quota? Will he publish a clear and concise action plan and tell our fishing communities how he intends to take those issues forward in the near future?

As one would expect, Mr Lochhead has paid more attention to a headline written by a sub-editor of a newspaper than the substance of what Mr Scott said.

What is the story?

Ross Finnie:

The story is quite simple. The story as told by the SNP is that all we have to do is declare independence and suddenly there will be more cod in the North sea. That is the story that the SNP continues to peddle. The management of fisheries stocks in the North sea is an extraordinarily serious issue that requires careful attention. We take seriously the science that supports the management of haddock and cod; we take seriously the management of all white fish and the position of the white-fish fleet. As I said in my answer to Jim Wallace, if we are going to make progress we must put ourselves on the front foot in the review of the haddock management plan that is due this year. There is also a requirement for us to review the cod recovery plan, on which we intend to take exactly the same position. We will engage with our fishermen, our scientists and other stakeholders to ensure that the proposals and propositions that are put forward by Scotland are at the forefront.

On monkfish, we already have an agreement whereby we are required to put scientific evidence to the Commission by the first quarter of this year. The Commission is bound by the December agreement to act on that evidence in revising the monkfish quota. I intend to make clear to the industry and others precisely how we intend to take forward the settlement that we secured in December.

Mr Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

I will adopt my best consensual mode and say that it would be churlish not to welcome the minister's efforts to secure increased quotas of nephrops. I particularly welcome the news that the Pittenweem non-sector and under-10m prawn fishermen are to have enhanced quotas as a result. However, will the minister confirm that the quotas will be carried over on a month-to-month basis if inclement weather or any other factor makes it impossible for the fishermen to catch the quota in any single month?

Ross Finnie:

That is a matter that will require further discussion between ourselves and the producer organisations. I certainly would not want us to impale ourselves on a particular allocation as opposed to the annual allocation. I am happy to look into the matter further if the member has the impression that the overall annual allocation might be impaired.

Mr Alasdair Morrison (Western Isles) (Lab):

I begin by warmly congratulating Ross Finnie on the significant and pivotal role that he played in the United Kingdom team that so successfully argued for such a significant uplift in prawn quota on the west coast of Scotland—a 39 per cent increase. [Interruption.]

Order.

Mr Morrison:

Will the minister explain the role that new scientific methods played in helping him to make the case for the substantial uplift in prawn quota? Will he assure me that the plans for a regional management committee for the Western Isles are proceeding as planned?

Ross Finnie:

This year, we benefited enormously from taking advantage of the enhanced photographic evidence. It took some time to persuade not only our own scientists, who played a part in that, but other scientists who study the North sea that the evidence is substantive and robust enough to enable them to make a stock assessment. The evidence was hugely helpful in establishing that approach. We propose to work with the scientists to continue to develop the technology because it is helpful to us in Scotland if we have data that can be updated quickly and reliably, as is the case with the data on nephrops.

I confirm that we will continue to ensure that the management plan and the management arrangements are implemented as soon as possible.


Scottish Environment Protection Agency

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it is satisfied with the performance of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. (S2O-8662)

The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Rhona Brankin):

The annual report that SEPA published in October 2005 explains how the agency performed in 2004-05 against the key objectives that were agreed with the Scottish Executive. Although SEPA recorded a number of encouraging successes, there are some areas for the agency to improve on.

One of those areas might be the contribution that SEPA makes to the efficient government initiative. What specific plans does the Executive have to force that agenda on?

Rhona Brankin:

SEPA is delivering efficiency savings. It is delivering cash-releasing savings by reducing expenditure on a wide range of supply costs, by reducing staff in a number of business areas and by realising benefits from the introduction of a national laboratory system. It is delivering time-releasing savings by making more efficient use of office space, by improving the efficiency of its finance processes and support services and by absorbing additional work in the existing workforce. Those steps are helping SEPA to meet the costs of an increasing workload.

Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP):

I give the minister an illustrative case study of a person who is building a house in an area in which a main sewer exists. He has been refused permission to access the sewer because the sewage system is at capacity. SEPA says that it will allow a temporary septic tank to be installed if a definite date can be given for its removal. Scottish Water says that it cannot give a definite date by which capacity will have been upgraded— at which time the tank could be removed—so SEPA says that it will not give permission for the temporary septic tank, which would have been allowable otherwise. Does the minister think that that is justifiable?

I do not want to comment on particular cases, but we have advised that constraints should be removed where possible. If the member wants to write to me with specific information, I am more than happy to respond.

Question 3 was not lodged.


Sustainable Development Strategy

To ask the Scottish Executive how the sustainable development strategy will be put into practice. (S2O-8647)

The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie):

Putting the sustainable development strategy into practice will require action from portfolios across the Executive, including the eight main delivery programmes that are specifically identified in paragraph 4.14 of the strategy. Action will also be required from a wide range of other organisations.

The Executive will develop an implementation plan by spring 2006 in conjunction with partner organisations and key stakeholders. That will provide the basis for driving delivery. Performance will be monitored by the Cabinet sub-committee on sustainable Scotland and publicly reported on the basis of quarterly reports on progress against the strategy's actions and indicators.

Irene Oldfather:

Does the minister agree that a commitment to local environmental justice is crucial to that implementation plan? Will he give an assurance that he will work in partnership with stakeholders and local communities so that they feel that they have a voice and can contribute to and participate in the sustainable development of their areas?

Ross Finnie:

The importance of the well-being of the individual and how that plays into the sustainable development agenda was widely acknowledged in yesterday's debate on the sustainable development strategy. I am grateful to Irene Oldfather for emphasising that point. Delivering environmental justice and engaging with local communities to establish the delivery programme to which I referred will involve engagement with stakeholders and local communities.


Odour Emissions (Commercial Premises)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether the Scottish Environment Protection Agency has sufficient powers to deal with odour emissions from commercial premises. (S2O-8639)

The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Rhona Brankin):

In Scotland, local authorities are generally responsible for regulating odour emissions from commercial premises.

The Scottish Environment Protection Agency has powers to regulate odours from certain industrial plants and waste management facilities. It achieves that by setting strict conditions on site operators when issuing licences and permits. I am satisfied that SEPA has sufficient powers to enforce those conditions.

Michael McMahon:

I am surprised at the minister's response. My colleague Karen Whitefield, our constituents and I have complained about the noxious odours that emanate from the rendering plant in Newarthill—which is in my constituency—that is operated by William Forrest & Son (Paisley) Ltd. Those odours directly affect us. SEPA deals ineffectively with the complaints and a great deal of buck passing goes on between Scottish Water, the local authority and SEPA. That is part of the problem. May I advise the minister that, in spite of constant complaints from myself—

Could you perhaps ask the minister a question?

I was doing that, Presiding Officer.

No, you were advising her—I think that that is what you said.

Is it a lack of effective powers or a lack of resources for SEPA that allows that intolerable situation to blight the lives of the people of Newarthill, Clelland and Salsburgh?

Rhona Brankin:

I am aware that the Forrest Newarthill plant has a history of complaints relating to odour. The member is quite right in saying that it is SEPA's responsibility to take enforcement action to address breaches of the environmental authorisations. I understand that SEPA has already sent a report to the procurator fiscal concerning odour-related problems at the plant and is considering a separate report following further investigations.

I am sure that the member will have been in regular contact with SEPA on the matter, but if he believes that SEPA is taking insufficient steps, I am more than happy to discuss this very serious issue with him.

Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab):

Is the minister aware that Michael McMahon and I will meet SEPA representatives on 27 January? Can she assure us that she will discuss our concerns about the failure of William Forrest & Son to comply with its operating conditions prior to that meeting? Will the minister give a commitment to examine the resources that SEPA has at its disposal to monitor and police the operating conditions of such plants effectively?

Rhona Brankin:

I am absolutely convinced that we need to ensure that such plants operate satisfactorily and that local communities are not subject to completely unacceptable odour. I am more than happy to keep a close eye on the situation as it develops and to work closely with the members concerned in view of the seriousness of the case.


Scottish Water (Development Constraints)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether the quality and standards III investment programme for Scottish Water will address the water and sewerage needs of housing developments in the Highlands and Islands. (S2O-8634)

The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Rhona Brankin):

The Executive recognises the important role played by Scottish Water in economic and other development. In the next investment programme, ministers have set Scottish Water the objective of providing sufficient strategic capacity to meet the needs of all estimated new development throughout Scotland. Where current infrastructure constraints are preventing the provision of an adequate housing supply, we are determined that they should be overcome.

Maureen Macmillan:

Neither Scottish Water nor Highland Council seems to be acting as if it is aware that that is the case. Is the minister aware that almost 50 communities in the Highland Council area alone are presently experiencing development constraints for both private and social housing, for larger developments as well as for single houses, and that particular concerns have been expressed in the Cairngorms national park area and in Skye and Lochalsh, where it is felt that Scottish Water's response has not fully addressed the reality of those concerns? People there have found it difficult to engage Scottish Water in discussion.

Could you come quickly to the point?

Will the minister give a strong signal to Scottish Water to begin discussions with those communities on their needs in the light of the coming into effect of Q and S III in March?

Rhona Brankin:

I understand that Scottish Water has already been in dialogue with Highland Council. Its representatives met a delegation late last year to discuss the need for investment in water supplies and waste water treatment in the Highland Council area. Working within the framework that Scottish ministers have set out, it is for Scottish Water to work directly with local authority partners and others to identify need and to improve the planning and delivery of new capacity. I am happy to ask Scottish Water to reply to the member about the specific issues that she raises.

Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):

The minister has said that she has set the objective. Scottish Water says that the cost of the investment programme will be £3.3 billion, while the Water Industry Commission for Scotland says that the figure will be £2.1 billion. Obviously, both of them cannot be right. Is it not the case that the Executive has sat on the sidelines, leaving matters entirely to the regulator? If the sums are wrong, as I believe they are, will not that have momentous consequences for the next seven years, because there will be insufficient money to achieve the Executive's objective and areas such as Badenoch and Strathspey will have no new houses whatever, with the catastrophic consequences that that will bring about?

Rhona Brankin:

As Fergus Ewing well knows, the Scottish Parliament voted almost unanimously for a system with an independently regulated and publicly owned and controlled water industry. The Water Industry Commission set out the amount of money and investment that would be required to meet ministers' objectives. Scottish Water has until the end of January to decide whether it can meet the objectives or whether it will need to go to the Competition Commission. That is the position that the Scottish Parliament set out and agreed to.

I reiterate that Scottish Water has been set the specific objective of meeting the strategic capacity requirements of all estimated new developments during the next investment period. The WIC has said what amount of money will be required to do that.


Health and Community Care


Elderly People (West of Scotland)

To ask the Scottish Executive what action it is taking to maintain the health and well-being of elderly people in the west of Scotland. (S2O-8670)

The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Lewis Macdonald):

We have introduced a range of policies that are designed to assist older people to live healthy and independent lives. When we launched "Delivering for Health" on 27 October, we emphasised the importance of strengthening and enhancing primary care services; of anticipatory care and management of long-term conditions; and of investing additional resources in disadvantaged areas to address health inequalities.

We have also undertaken a range of initiatives to encourage people of all ages to take action to improve their health and well-being by stopping smoking, drinking sensibly, eating a healthy diet and taking appropriate physical exercise.

Mr Maxwell:

I am happy to support many of the measures that the minister outlined.

Is the minister aware of the threat to close Craig-en-Ros, which is the last remaining care home on the island of Cumbrae? Does he agree that the loss of that home would do nothing to maintain the health and well-being of elderly residents and that moving them to the mainland against their will would have a detrimental impact on them and their families? Will he do everything in his power to prevent the closure of Craig-en-Ros and to encourage North Ayrshire Council to enter into meaningful dialogue with its owners to seek a solution? That could involve using the spare capacity in the home for respite care, so that the last care home on the island is maintained and people do not have to go to the mainland, to which their relatives would have to travel to see them.

Lewis Macdonald:

I am aware of the matter that Mr Maxwell raises. He will recognise that it is properly a matter for North Ayrshire Council to determine. We have set a clear policy direction, which is that people should be supported to stay in their own homes, when that is possible, and to stay in supported care homes when that is the next best alternative. It would be inappropriate for central Government to dictate to local authorities how best they should secure that provision.


Obesity

To ask the Scottish Executive what action is being taken to improve lifestyles and diet in an effort to reduce obesity across all age groups. (S2O-8636)

The Minister for Health and Community Care (Mr Andy Kerr):

Our health improvement programme focuses strongly on improving diet and raising physical activity levels for all age groups—an approach that has been endorsed by the World Health Organisation and other key stakeholders.

We have put in place a wide range of measures in schools, workplaces, homes and communities to increase opportunities for physical activity and to improve access to healthy food, including the highly acclaimed hungry for success school meals programme. All those measures will contribute to tackling obesity. It is important to keep public awareness high and we will continue to use the healthy living campaign to achieve that.

Christine May:

I commend the minister and the Executive for what has been done. Recent statistics highlighted the scale of obesity in Scotland's young people. The British Heart Foundation's food 4 thought campaign and the Executive's hungry for success programme are aimed at changing young people's eating habits. As a former catering professional, I welcome that. How is the minister monitoring and evaluating the success of those programmes? Is he aware of the innovative work that is being done in Fife schools, particularly to show street traders how they can profit from selling healthy foods? I invite him to see what is being done when that programme is rolled out in my constituency.

Mr Kerr:

I am happy to continue to see the innovative work in Fife, where I recently had the pleasure of visiting a community neighbourhood shop. The initiative that we are supporting with traders allows community shops to present healthy choices at the front of the shop, which makes such choices easier for consumers.

As for monitoring, the Scottish health survey and individual clinical outcome indicator reports allow us to monitor and track obesity. Obesity is a huge challenge. It is multidimensional and involves not just the health service. As others throughout the world have recognised, including the World Health Organisation, Scotland is setting key best practice for the world to follow in relation to access to food, exercise and diet and through the recently announced counterweight initiative, which involves focusing the health service's efforts on key individuals who need support to change their diet and thereby to reduce obesity.

Shona Robison (Dundee East) (SNP):

Is it right that, every time someone pays to visit a council-run leisure facility to improve their lifestyle, Gordon Brown takes 17.5 per cent of the charge in VAT? Is that not just a tax on health? Would not it be sensible for such facilities to be tax exempt, to help to keep charges down or to prevent councils such as Dundee City Council from having to hand over their leisure facilities to a charitable trust to avoid paying tax? Will the minister make representations to that effect to the Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Mr Kerr:

The member has closer contacts with individuals who can deal with that matter than I have. Perhaps she might want to engage in that conversation.

The widely recognised hungry for success programme—which involves £67 million-worth of investment—comes from the very taxes that are making the key difference in turning around Scotland's record on ill health. As the chief medical officer's report recognised only last year, we are turning the corner from being the sick men and women of Europe.

Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):

The minister will no doubt be aware of the positive endorsement, which is detailed in the recent evaluation, that the Executive's free fruit in schools initiative has received from schools and local authorities. What plans does he have to pursue the recommendation that that initiative should be expanded to include children in more age groups? Does he agree that the success of the measure exemplifies the potential of the universal provision of healthy food to improve children's diets, health and well-being?

Mr Kerr:

We should not forget the member's contribution—I refer, of course, to the Breastfeeding etc (Scotland) Act 2005, which clearly makes a contribution towards addressing the key question of obesity.

We should recognise that the Executive-supported scheme that Elaine Smith asks about is working effectively and that many local authorities have expanded the scheme dramatically. We are constantly considering ways of improving our schoolchildren's health and well-being. We may consider putting the school meals initiative, the physical activity task force co-ordinators and the play@home and hungry for success schemes into our nurseries. We are beginning to develop and expand the best practice that has been adopted in Scotland. Currently, the Executive's key focus is on nutritional standards not only in nurseries and primary schools, but in secondary schools, but we should also recognise that many local authorities—although not all of them—do exactly what the member wants them to do in delivering free fruit and water throughout the school year.

Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):

The minister emphasises diet. I accept his arguments, but he also mentioned physical activity. As the Minister for Health and Community Care, what concerns does he have about the apparent loss of playing fields throughout Scotland? Should not such a trend be reversed?

Mr Kerr:

I do not agree that there is an overall loss of playing fields. The matter is closely monitored by organisations that are independent of the Executive, which ensure that when one playing field has to close, another one will replace it. That is done frequently throughout Scotland.

Let us become a bit more modern about this. Our young people are not saying to us that they want to run about on muddy playing fields. The Executive supports initiatives such as the why dance? initiative, which aims to get young people involved in dance, as well as other activities and sports. We support people walking to school and other activities relating to schools to ensure that our children undertake more physical activity. Playing fields are not the only issue, and the Executive supports a broad approach. I accept that it is important that children should be able to run around on playing fields, but they can play badminton, dance and go down other routes. We are embarking on serious projects, turning round our young people and getting them involved in exercise through innovative schemes. The issue is not only about playing fields—we should be encouraging a wide diversity of activities.


Specialist Nurses (Parkinson's Disease)

3. Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (Ind):

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it plans to recruit and train specialist nurses to work in the community with sufferers of chronic conditions, such as Parkinson's disease. (S2O-8610)

I declare an interest: I have Parkinson's disease.

The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Lewis Macdonald):

Individual national health service boards have primary responsibility for workforce planning. That responsibility includes the recruitment and training of specialist nurses who work with sufferers of long-term conditions such as Parkinson's disease. However, we have initiated a Scotland-wide review of community nursing, which will set the direction for creating a modern, redesigned community nursing service. The review is intended to contribute to the reduction of hospital admissions, improve the management of patients with long-term conditions such as Parkinson's disease, facilitate hospital discharges and support the care and treatment of patients in their homes and community settings.

Margo MacDonald:

I pay tribute to the work that the Minister for Health and Community Care, Andy Kerr, has done on long-term conditions and draw to his attention the work of the expert group that is currently producing a Parkinson's disease plan for Lothian and the Borders, which may act as a prototype. The expert assessment is that six to eight nurses are required, but there is currently only one nurse. Therefore, there are obvious resource implications, as there are with lymphoedema nurses. I know from a successful meeting that I had with the minister that there is an on-going review and ask the Executive not to shy away from providing the additional resources that will be required, because the service will be much enhanced if the current plans are properly seen through.

We recognise the importance of the areas of specialism to which Margo MacDonald refers. We will take into careful consideration the findings of the reviews to which I and Margo MacDonald referred and will make decisions based on the evidence.

Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):

Is the minister aware of the excellent work being done at a day clinic at Borders general hospital? I know that the minister has visited it. It specialises in clients who have Parkinson's and treats them clinically and holistically. I recently met 100 of those clients. Could I suggest that, as part of the review, either the minister or the deputy minister goes to that day clinic, meets the professionals and clients and learns from them about how they deal with such a dreadful and debilitating disease while keeping up their morale and staying in the best health possible?

I certainly want to ensure that when our officials carry out the review, they take evidence from those with first-hand experience of what is required. I will, of course, pay due heed to the advice that they give me.

Mrs Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con):

I remind the minister that key generic issues for specialist nurses or those who aspire to become so are time and resources for training and professional development, and support for the establishment of such posts. An additional key problem has been the patchy and ad hoc development of such posts across the country. In that context, what is the Executive doing specifically to support the development of clinical nurse specialist posts in NHS Scotland in general?

Lewis Macdonald:

All national health service organisations have a duty to ensure that all staff have personal development plans, which includes identifying the specific training needs of members of staff. They also have a responsibility for nursing and midwifery post-registration education and for working in partnership with staff to ensure that they are supported and encouraged to maintain and develop their skills.

Under the facing the future banner, we have committed more than £10 million to several nursing and midwifery initiatives during the past three financial years, because we recognise the importance of maintaining training opportunities in order to enable greater specialism in the future.


Smoke-free Policies

To ask the Scottish Executive how it is promoting smoke-free policies to local authorities. (S2O-8682)

The Minister for Health and Community Care (Mr Andy Kerr):

Local authorities, like all other employers, will require to comply with the smoke-free law that will come into effect on 26 March. Recently, we issued guidance to local authorities, national health service organisations and other care service providers to help them to do so. The guidance also provided advice on how organisations might work towards comprehensive smoke-free policies for the benefit of staff and those who use their services.

Iain Smith:

Will the minister please confirm that the scare stories about a total ban on smoking in places outside are just that—scare stories? Does he agree that we should encourage best practice such as that of public bodies in Lithuania, where smoking on school and health premises is prohibited by local regulations; in New Zealand, where the buildings and grounds of schools and early childhood centres became smoke-free in January 2004; in Sweden, where smoking is prohibited in schoolyards and other outdoor areas; or even in Texas, where smoking is prohibited within 15ft of the entrance of any public building? Will the minister encourage local authorities and health boards to follow such good practice to protect our children and to stop us having to run the gauntlet of smokers as we enter public buildings?

Mr Kerr:

I share many of those views and it is useful to have the opportunity to clarify the situation given the article with the headline, "Scotland extends smoking ban to the great outdoors". It was made clear to the journalist concerned before publication that that was simply not true. Therefore, I confirm that our legislation is about substantially enclosed public spaces. Of course, the powers that the member is asking about are given in the guidance. Several of our local authorities already—sensibly, in my view—ban smoking in children's playgrounds. That seems to be a sensible precautionary policy that our local authorities should use to protect our children. All the possibilities that the member mentioned are available under the guidance but, as he quite rightly said, they should be matters for local discussion, decision and implementation.

Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):

I am glad that the minister has taken the opportunity to clarify the situation. As he well knows, Irene Oldfather lodged stage 3 amendments to the bill that sought to extend the ban to outside areas. I spoke against those amendments. Indeed, the minister said:

"The bill reflects the Executive's intention to protect members of the public in wholly or substantially enclosed premises … It is extremely important that the legislation is consistent, fair and easily enforceable by proprietors of establishments and environmental health officers. Any legislation for outdoor areas would need to be carefully defined to provide the same clarity. The bill does not provide for that."—[Official Report, 30 June 2005; c 18634.]

Does the minister agree that new legislation would be needed to allow for an extension of the no-smoking policy to public open spaces? Does he accept that, if the Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005 is seen to be used to introduce a ban on smoking in public open spaces, that will undermine all the good will that there has been towards the legislation so far?

Mr Kerr:

The member is falling into a trap that should not be there. A journalist inquired whether the Executive intends to extend the ban on smoking to public open spaces and we said no; yet we read a headline in a paper that states, "Scotland extends smoking ban to the great outdoors". That headline has set off the debate. The point is not that I need to make clear in the chamber now that the ban will not be extended. I made that clear before the journalist wrote the story and all the nonsense that followed from it. The article is bad reporting and is bad for the Scottish people. It threatens to undermine the well-supported legislation that we have passed. The Scottish Executive has no intention of extending the ban in the manner that the member described. As I made clear when we debated Irene Oldfather's amendments, doing so would require further legislation.

John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP):

I declare an interest: I am a director of Motherwell Football Club.

Will the minister consider approaching the Scottish Football Association about following up on the excellent scheme that has been initiated at Hampden, Ibrox and Parkhead of having a no-smoking zone at football matches? Will he purchase the centre circle at all 42 senior football grounds for use to advertise the logo of the no-smoking campaign, which would bring home to every football fan the tremendous policy that he is pursuing? Already this season, 2 million people have attended matches in the Scottish Premier League, so such advertising would be very cost-effective.

Mr Kerr:

I am always interested in innovative ideas. The member's idea is a good one and I am happy to consider it. I would have liked to have one at Clyde's ground last Sunday, but that is another matter entirely. The idea will receive good support from the First Minister. We need to innovate in how we try to enable the public to understand what we are doing. In the run-up to the introduction of the ban, that will involve a letter drop and a leaflet to every household in Scotland. I am very interested in the member's suggestion.

I welcome what has been done at Ibrox, Celtic Park and Hampden. We want to encourage that and I am happy to further my dialogue with the football authorities, to ensure that we continue to encourage sports stadia to follow the good lead that has been shown.


Audiology Services (Improvements)

5. Susan Deacon (Edinburgh East and Musselburgh) (Lab):

To ask the Scottish Executive what specific improvements in service, including reductions in waiting times, have been experienced by patients as a result of the Executive's modernisation plans and extra investment in audiology services. (S2O-8624)

The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Lewis Macdonald):

Waiting times have been reduced in the majority of NHS boards. An important part of the modernisation agenda focuses on monitoring and encouraging the reduction in waiting times and providing support to boards, where required. Boards that have not yet met waiting time targets will be supported to do so.

Improvements have also been made across Scotland in audiology accommodation, information technology, equipment, staffing, training and the patient journey. We expect to meet our partnership agreement commitment that by March this year the NHS will be in a position to offer digital hearing aids in all cases in which they represent the most clinically effective option.

Susan Deacon:

I welcome the progress that has been made. Does the minister share my concern that, despite substantial additional investment and numerous reports, plans and other work, improvement in many areas has been disappointingly slow? Here in Lothians, patients can still wait a year for an initial assessment. Does the minister acknowledge that the pace of progress must be sped up? Does he also acknowledge that getting the necessary workforce in place is critical? For instance, I understand that in Lothians the service has around half of the qualified staff who are needed. Specifically, I ask the minister to ensure that the important new BSc audiology degree at Queen Margaret University College, which is welcome, is properly supported, developed and put on an equal footing with other allied health profession courses in both Scotland and the United Kingdom as a whole.

Lewis Macdonald:

I do indeed recognise Susan Deacon's concerns about the position in Lothian. We have recognised the particular challenges there and have asked NHS Lothian to produce a clear and robust action plan in the course of this financial year to indicate how it will make further progress to meet the targets that have been set for it.

Susan Deacon is right to highlight the importance of workforce and staffing issues. The Executive has provided funding support for the course at Queen Margaret University College to which she referred. That will involve a four-year bachelor of science course as well as a two-year fast-track conversion course for existing science graduates. We want to ensure that the course is a success in the way that the member describes. I will certainly ensure that our department pays close attention to ensuring that that happens.