On a point of order, Presiding Officer, I seek your guidance. Several constituents have reported to me that they are being prevented from entering the Parliament's public gallery this afternoon. What reasons are there for preventing ordinary members of the public who are constituents of ours from attending a public meeting of the Parliament? Who decided to prevent them from entering?
No one has been prevented from entering the gallery. The police are responsible for controlling, on public safety grounds, any crowd in Mylne's Court. However, entry to the Parliament building is a matter for our security people and members of the public are being allowed into the public gallery without tickets, if necessary.
Further to that point, Presiding Officer, within the past 10 minutes four people have attempted to get tickets for the gallery—which, as you can see, has a considerable number of empty seats—but were told in the Parliament visitor centre that no seats were available for them because they looked like anti-war activists. Do you have a comment on that?
As you will remember, Mr Quinan, following previous demonstrations in the public gallery, I promised a review of security. I can tell you that if anyone has been identified as having been removed from the chamber previously—as has happened on two occasions—they are temporarily not being allowed back in. I cannot comment on individual cases. There is open access to the gallery. I will ensure that your point is examined while we get on with business.
I suggest that we do not proceed with the business until the matter has been settled, so that the meeting is a genuine public meeting of the Parliament of Scotland.
It is. [Interruption.] Order. I remind those in the public gallery that they signed a piece of paper agreeing not to interrupt proceedings. Interruption includes applauding. There is to be no interruption from the gallery. I suggest that the security people pay attention to the people at the back of the gallery.
I am sorry, Presiding Officer, but I ask you to review your last comment. People sitting at the back of the gallery happen to have on tee-shirts that say "Don't attack Iraq", but that does not mean that they should be the subject of special attention from anyone.
If they are standing up—
I think that you should review your comments.
I will not review them. If they stand up and expose the tee-shirts for publicity purposes, that is not allowed.
As far as I know, you banned publicity.
Yes.
So there is no problem.
That ban is lifted.
So there is no problem.
No. The ban is lifted. Let us stop the argument and get on with the First Minister's statement on contingency planning for the current international situation.
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. If people who want to hear the First Minister's important statement are still queueing to get into the public gallery, would it not be appropriate to allow time for them to enter, given that, although they were told that they would not be allowed in, you suggest that they will be allowed in? We should let them in and then let the First Minister speak.
Mr Quinan, it is always the case that people come into the gallery during our proceedings. There is nothing new in that today.
Not when they have been told that they are not allowed in but then that that decision is reversed.
I have assured you that everybody is being allowed in. I investigated that just before I came into the chair. I call the First Minister to give his statement. There will be questions at the end, so there should be no interventions.
Now that the armed forces of the United Kingdom stand ready to take military action to disarm Saddam Hussein in Iraq, it is right that we in this Parliament should consider the implications for our devolved responsibilities.
I thank the First Minister for his statement and for giving me advance sight of its contents. I also thank the justice department officials for their briefing on emergency planning some weeks ago.
On Mr Swinney's final point, I made it clear last week in response to a number of questions from him that there was a variety of views on the legal effect of previous UN resolutions, as was backed up by the advice that was given by the official legal advisers to the British Government this week. I do not want ever to be in a situation where the British Government—
First Minister, I am sorry to interrupt you. Mr Quinan, would you put down that notice, please?
The point that I was making was that I certainly do not want to be in a situation where the British Government questions the legal advice that I receive as First Minister from my law officers, so I am not about to start questioning the advice that the British Government receives.
On behalf of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party I concur with the First Minister's sentiments and say that our thoughts and prayers are with our servicemen and servicewomen, for a swift resolution to the conflict and a safe return to their families back home. I do not think that anybody wants war, but there are times when armed conflict is necessary to deal with dangerous and tyrannical regimes, such as Saddam Hussein's—this is such a time.
On Mr McLetchie's second point, I sincerely hope that, at some point in the near future, the Fire Brigades Union will accept the generous offer that has been made to its members and the commitment that has been given to modernising the fire service in partnership with those who work in the service. I hope that those factors will lead to a successful and speedy resolution to the dispute, which would free up the troops who have been on standby for a long time.
The First Minister's remarks about support for Muslims, Jews and other ethnic minorities were encouraging. Will he indicate any of the practical steps that it is possible to take at local or national levels to give support and comfort to those minority groups that might be the subject of attack by the small brainless minority in the country?
After the horrific events of 11 September and the genuine concern that was expressed by minority communities in Scotland at the time, we allocated resources—about £1 million—to provide for additional security at places of worship. We stand ready to make further resources available, should they be required.
A large number of members want to ask questions and I think that, on such an issue, it is important to try to include everyone. Therefore, I appeal for brevity.
There is a large Muslim population in my constituency, with many Muslim-owned businesses and a number of mosques. As the First Minister will know from his visit to the Central mosque in Glasgow, there is anxiety that that mosque will become a target for inappropriate, illegal and violent action. Will the First Minister emphasise again that there will be continued dialogue with the community? Although the community will welcome what he has said about safeguarding security and taking matters seriously, it is important that people do not feel marginalised in the discussions that must take place. I would like him to make it clear, further to what he has already said in this regard, that dialogue will continue and that the Muslim community will be kept in the loop.
There will be local and national dialogue to secure that confidence throughout any conflict. Following a meeting that I had with Mr Jackson in his constituency recently, I can say that there will also be an absolute guarantee of a level of police visibility in those communities and those areas that will, I hope, ensure that people who might be motivated to carry out attacks or intimidation will be put off from doing so.
Scottish troops, including the Black Watch and the 51st Highland Brigade of the Territorial Army, both of which have strong connections with my constituency, are in the gulf. What assessment has there been of the risk of reprisals against Army barracks and RAF and naval bases in Scotland? What steps have been taken to protect against terrorist attacks on military and non-military installations in Scotland that are provoked as a result of the war? What assurances have been sought or given that any and all relevant intelligence will be shared with Scottish police forces?
I can give an absolute assurance that the Scottish police forces not only have access to all the necessary intelligence, but have already carried out significant analyses of Army barracks and the economic and political targets that might be obvious to us all as the focus of a terrorist attack. Detailed preparations and analyses are under way and it would be wrong of me to detail them today. However, if military action comes about over the next 24 hours, we will see an increased visibility and presence of Scottish forces at some of those locations over the next few days. The co-ordination arrangements that are in place are designed partly to secure that aim and partly to enable the police across Scotland to work together to ensure that those forces that might come under pressure because of the number of such locations in their area are given full support.
The conflict started because Iraq holds stocks of biological agents and—
Question.
In the past, those agents were used on Iraqi citizens in Halabjah and they may be used against Scottish service personnel who are fighting to give Iraq back to the Iraqis. I happen to have been involved in the House of Commons Select Committee on Defence report on gulf war syndrome and—
Question.
With the benefit of that hindsight, will the First Minister ensure that the NHS in Scotland will stand ready to give all necessary support to Scottish service personnel or Iraqi civilians who may be exposed to such agents in the coming weeks?
Without going into too many details, I can give the member that assurance. The Scottish health service has been involved in all the discussions about contingencies and it will remain involved. I am sure that its staff will stand ready to do their duty in the weeks ahead.
I express regret that this appalling decision has been taken. However, I am glad to have heard some of the positive things that the First Minister has said, particularly in respect of our minority communities. Will he meet representatives of Action of Churches Together in Scotland, the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations and the Scottish branches of international organisations with a view to co-ordinating a specific Scottish response to helping Iraq to recover from the war, which—hopefully and mercifully—will be over as quickly as possible?
The suggestion is extremely helpful and constructive. Not only would I be prepared to do that, but I would be enthusiastically willing to participate in such a meeting.
On the subject of NHS planning, will the First Minister ensure that information will be made available to people in my constituency and locally about the level of contingency planning and the implications for people locally of the demands that might be made on the health service?
Clearly, it is possible to discuss much of the information that is available publicly, although it is not necessarily advisable to discuss some of it publicly. With that caveat, we will do all that we can to keep members of the public in Scotland informed of the contingency arrangements.
Is the First Minister aware of the effect that staff shortages could have on the NHS? Does he agree that the call-up of staff to service the armed forces, coupled with the increase in demand due to potential casualties, can only make matters more difficult? He said:
Although I do not want to go into too much intricate detail about the arrangements that might be in place, I can reassure the chamber that, although the number of NHS staff in Scotland who are involved is not insignificant, it is not at the other end of the spectrum. I think that, at present, 10 doctors and 27 nurses may have been called up to undertake service in some capacity. Clearly, arrangements are required to ensure that their work load is shared among others or re-routed; that has been the subject of discussions that have taken place over recent weeks.
I associate myself and members of the Liberal Democrat party in this Parliament with the First Minister's comments about our armed forces. Despite any concerns that we might have about how we got here or where we go from here, we all owe clear and whole-hearted support to those forces.
Additional security arrangements have been made at Edinburgh airport in particular over recent months, which is only right and proper. Over recent weeks, those arrangements have been scrutinised in the light of the eventuality that we might be about to face. Security arrangements will be adjusted accordingly—particularly over the next 48 hours—should military action begin.
Does the First Minister accept that in a democracy such as ours the real betrayal of our armed forces would have been not to challenge and go on challenging the political decisions that are forcing them to lay their lives on the line? If so, will he assure me that our democracy will not now be confined to the boundaries of either Westminster or Holyrood but will continue to include the people's right to protest, march, demonstrate and take part in peaceful and non-violent civil disobedience against a war that they believe to be wrong and which they now bitterly regret will kill many innocent people?
As I said before, I sincerely hope that, if there is to be conflict, it is concluded speedily and with the minimum number of casualties, and I hope that members in the chamber feel the same way. I am also proud to live in a country where we—unlike the people of Iraq—are able to demonstrate on whatever point of view we have on the subject.
Does the First Minister agree that there will be immense pressures on the police at this time? What special arrangements will be made for the families of reservists and members of our territorial armed services who have almost been snatched from their homes to go to the middle east? Those families will need special support. What protection will they be offered and what support will be provided to them?
The Ministry of Defence has arrangements in place to help to ensure that support is given to families either in barracks or in their domestic circumstances. We liaise carefully and closely with the MOD to ensure that public services in Scotland are able to back up its efforts and that families are properly provided for at this difficult time. Those arrangements will not only continue, but will be stepped up in the weeks ahead.
The First Minister mentioned the Scottish police information co-ordination centre. Does he agree that, in monitoring tension in communities, the police should do all in their power to protect Sikh communities in Scotland who, because of their beards and turbans, are sometimes wrongly identified as terrorists by a misguided few?
I am happy to give those assurances. In particular, I am happy to say that we will do all that we can to ensure the safety, security and integration of the Sikh community in Scotland at the present time. I make one other point: the Islamic religion is a peace-loving religion. Members of the Muslim community in Scotland are peace-loving citizens of Scotland. Just as we do not associate those who carry out extreme and violent acts in Northern Ireland with mainstream Christianity in Scotland, we must not associate those who carry out extreme, violent and murderous acts in the name of Islam around the world with those members of the Islamic religion in Scotland who are peace-loving, well-integrated members of our society.
I am sure that the First Minister accepts that many of us believe that it should never have come to this.
I hope that Mr Russell is aware of my consistent efforts as I go round the country to various engagements to ensure that I take time to talk to the younger citizens of Scotland. I do that on a regular basis, and I hope that, when they have a chance to put questions or views to me, they find that I not only listen, but I act on what I say. I would also be happy to ensure that the children's charities in Scotland are involved in any meeting that arises from Mr Robin Harper's suggestion.
Does the First Minister agree that one of the most effective means of laying to rest the insecurities and uncertainties felt at present by Muslim communities in Scotland and throughout the world would be for the United Nations to state clearly that the state of Israel is in contravention of the spirit of the United Nations' founding fathers and that it should desist and resist the harassment and containment of the Palestinian people now?
In response to that question, I take the opportunity to say something that I did not get a chance to say last Thursday in the chamber, because of the timing of President Bush's announcement. I hope that the vast majority of members in the chamber, regardless of their views on the conflict that looks likely to take place in Iraq, welcome the clear statement of support from the American Government for a separate Palestinian state that has been made in the past week. That firm resolution on the part of the American Government will contribute to achieving a lasting solution in the whole of the middle east, not just an immediate solution in Iraq.
I thank the First Minister for his comments on the contingency preparations, particularly in the health service. As part of those preparations, I believe that the smallpox vaccine is being made available to key emergency service workers, including health staff. I would welcome the First Minister's assurance that the vaccine will be made available on a voluntary basis only.
First of all, I give Mr Macintosh the assurance that the option of using the vaccination is voluntary.
One of the most important issues faced by any soldier who is called into action is the assurance that an effective casualty evacuation process is in place. I am sure that that is the case with our field hospitals and the theatre of operations.
Arrangements are being made to deal with casualties on a UK basis, not just here in Scotland. The health service in Scotland is working closely with counterparts south of the border and elsewhere to make the appropriate arrangements. It is also working closely with the MOD, and is part of the contingency planning arrangements that I have outlined. I hope that the chamber will respect the fact that I do not think that it would be appropriate to name this afternoon specific locations or hospitals that may be used for civic purposes. However, I assure the chamber that preparatory work has been going on for some time, and that I have every confidence that the arrangements will work as smoothly as possible.
Further to his answer to Robin Harper on a specifically Scottish appeal, I ask the First Minister to consider three areas of expertise in which this Parliament and this country may add value to British foreign policy: our experience in water engineering, which is the major immediate need; our experience in programmes for women and children run by women; and our experience in building new, peaceful relationships between the different peoples of this country, which may be of value to a country divided among Shias, Sunnis and Kurds.
Those are helpful and constructive suggestions. I will take them on board.
Does the First Minister accept that people who oppose what they believe to be an unnecessary and immoral war today can hardly be expected to support it tomorrow?
I sincerely hope that British troops—and Iraqi civilians—are in their own homes as soon as possible and as safely as possible. I hope that Elaine Smith recognises that, throughout all the debates that have taken place in the chamber and on the number of occasions in recent months on which I have been questioned on the subject, I have made it consistently clear that there is a diversity of opinion on the matter in Scotland, in this chamber and even inside my own party, and that I respect that diversity of opinion and expect others to do the same and to listen and to move forward together, if we can do that. I hope that, in the weeks to come, which will be difficult for those on all sides of the previous argument and for those who want to represent their constituents' or their own point of view in the debates that I am sure will continue, we will remember that our troops are in a dangerous and difficult situation and that the people of Iraq need the support that we and those troops can give them to bring the situation to a speedy conclusion.
The First Minister has said several times that the decision to go to war has now been made. Does he agree that it is not disloyal to state that that decision is not irrevocable and that, even at this 11th hour, every effort must be made to stop this senseless war, which threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi people, as well as members of our armed forces?
I could not agree more, and I hope that Mr Canavan will join me in making a direct appeal from the Scottish Parliament chamber to Saddam Hussein and his regime to take the actions that they must take to avoid this unnecessary conflict.
Has the First Minister received representations, as I have, from the parents and friends of servicemen and women who are already out in the gulf? Some of those servicemen and women have been in the gulf for many months and feel that they are ill fed, ill clothed and ill equipped—indeed, food parcels are being sent to some of them. If men and women are to be sent to an unjust war, will the First Minister, through his talks with the Prime Minister, at least ensure that they are well fed, well clothed and well equipped?
I have received no such representations. If I did, I would certainly pass them on to the First Minister—[Members: "The Prime Minister."] I meant the Prime Minister. I strongly believe that troops from Scotland who are already in the gulf and others who will go there will be ready for the difficult circumstances that they will face. I am speaking not only about what they will eat and wear when they are in the gulf. The troops will have to face difficult circumstances, which is why they deserve our full support.
I am sure that, like all of us here today, the First Minister will regret that he must give a statement on emergency planning to members, but we all echo what he has said.
I would be happy to do so. If such a situation arose, it would be vital that no Scots were disadvantaged or discriminated against in the provision of information.
Will the First Minister give an assurance that the emergency services are sufficiently well equipped, particularly in respect of protective clothing, to deal with chemical and biological attacks? I ask in view of the somewhat disturbing "Panorama" programme last Sunday, which indicated that emergency services south of the border are not yet sufficiently well equipped.
I understand that emergency services in Scotland are significantly better equipped than they were a year ago and that steps are being taken to ensure that further progress is made with immediate effect. Progress will continue in the coming weeks.
Does the First Minister believe that the bombing of Iraq is an important issue for Scotland and the Parliament? He is nodding in approval, so he thinks that the issue is important. Why, then, has the Executive not brought forward a debate on such an important issue? Why has the First Minister relied on the Opposition parties to bring forward debates on it?
Order. The member has had his fair share. Another four members want to—
I want to make a final important point. We are part of the United Kingdom and signatories to the International Court of Justice. Will the First Minister determine whether the Parliament has the autonomy to raise an action against the UK Government for engaging in a war that is not only unjust and immoral, but illegal?
Order. That is enough, Mr Sheridan. This is not a debate. [Interruption.] You have no more rights than any other member in the Parliament and you have no right to go on like that without a microphone. You should apologise to the chamber and allow other members to have the chance to speak.
I tell you what, Presiding Officer—
No. I am asking you to apologise to the chamber.
I will apologise to the chamber if the First Minister apologises for not bringing a debate to the chamber because the Executive has been running scared from the issue.
Order, Mr Sheridan.
I will apologise when the Executive apologises.
Mr Sheridan, you have no more rights than any other member. If you continue like that you will make me put you out of the chamber. I do not want to do that.
I suspect, Presiding Officer, that removing Mr Sheridan from the chamber is exactly what he would like you to do.
That is why I am not doing it.
I would strongly advise you not to do so. I am happy to be patient, if everybody else is. Mr Sheridan has freedom in this country that people in Iraq do not have. He needs to remember that.
On a quieter note, I will return to a point that the First Minister made in his opening statement, when he said that the agonising was over. I am sure that he will accept that I speak as the elected MSP for Moray, where we have more personnel deployed than any other constituency—they are in the gulf. This is a worrying time for all of us in the area, because those people are our friends and neighbours.
Not only on my recent visit to Elgin but on other occasions, I have been well aware of the importance of the military community to the community of Elgin and to Moray as a whole. I will certainly take up that matter and pass the point on to the Ministry of Defence.
I was reassured to hear the First Minister say that any racially motivated crime will be dealt with swiftly and that the Solicitor General for Scotland will monitor the matter. Will he assure me that the Minister for Education and Young People will monitor schools in Scotland for racially motivated bullying?
I give that assurance. Guidance on the subject is available to schools, teachers and education authorities.
The First Minister said that contingency plans have been made to prevent extremists from taking advantage of the situation. Will he give us a list, saying who those extremists are and where he expects them to come from?
If anybody out there were planning a terrorist attack on Scotland, and if we knew who they were, we would not give Mr Quinan a list of them; we would catch them and lock them up.
I will ask a question that was asked by the children who marched today, of whom some members are extremely proud. Given that the First Minister has repeatedly mentioned evil regimes that appear to need sorting out, does he support the invasion of other countries that are controlled by evil regimes, such as Zimbabwe, or is the murderous Mr Mugabe safe because he does not have oil?
Occasionally the Presiding Officer tries to stop me from encroaching too far on reserved responsibilities, but to be fair, I must point out that the difference between Mr Mugabe and Mr Hussein is that, to my knowledge, Mr Mugabe does not yet have facilities for chemical and biological weapons. The United Nations has addressed that specific issue over the years and Mr Hussein has been asked to address it, but he has not done so, which is why he stands out in the international community as being different from others. I hope that Dorothy-Grace Elder heard me say last week that I believe passionately that United Nations resolutions and United Nations resolve should be implemented consistently throughout the world—not just in one country, but in every country. I hope that that will be the case in the years to come.