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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 18 Jun 2009

Meeting date: Thursday, June 18, 2009


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


Education and Lifelong Learning


Schools (Glasgow East End)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it plans to commission any school building in the east end of Glasgow. (S3O-7428)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Fiona Hyslop):

The Government is supporting local authorities in their responsibility to replace school buildings. Yesterday, I announced a new national programme of additional Government support for the building of new schools across Scotland. In addition to the £2 billion that is already being provided for school buildings, we will provide up to two thirds funding support for a £1.25 billion school building programme. Our £800 million is in addition to the record funding that is already set out in the local government settlement. The 55 schools that will be built will be in addition to the 250 schools that we and our local government partners are already committed to delivering by 2011. The 35,000 pupils who will benefit will be in addition to the 100,000 who will benefit from those 250 schools.

I expect that all local authorities will share in the benefits of the new funding. We will work with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the Scottish Futures Trust to identify which will benefit first. Decisions on investment priorities and commissioning of Glasgow schools—from the £2 billion of capital funds that are already being provided to authorities, from Glasgow's continued share of capital funding that is provided through local government allocations or from the newly announced funding—will remain matters for Glasgow City Council.

Margaret Curran:

In the preparation for, and work around, the cabinet secretary's statement, were the needs of schools in Glasgow, especially in the east end, discussed? What proportion of the new funding will go to Glasgow? Did the cabinet secretary's department undertake modelling to indicate the likely geographical distribution of the new schools to which she is committed? Finally, can she provide the indicative timescale for the primary school building programme, from proposal to delivery?

Fiona Hyslop:

It will be possible to start building the first primary school in 2010. Glasgow can already proceed with building new schools. I understand that the capital support that it will receive from the Government in the period 2008 to 2010 is £400 million. Although £228 million is ring fenced, mostly for housing, and a further £18 million is allocated to flood prevention schemes, £158 million is available in those two years to Glasgow City Council for investment in infrastructure, according to its priorities. It is up to the council to invest that money in schools in the east end, if it so chooses. If Margaret Curran has concerns about the ability of Glasgow City Council to make such decisions, I will be more than happy to make representations to it on her behalf.

Anne McLaughlin (Glasgow) (SNP):

The cabinet secretary and Margaret Curran will be aware that, although the Scottish National Party Government is providing all the additional money for new school buildings that has been mentioned, the Labour council in Glasgow has embarked on a savage school and nursery closure programme. Is the cabinet secretary aware that for children from Barmulloch primary in the north-east to get to St Gilbert's primary, which will house their new school, they will daily pass the Red Road flats, the site of Europe's largest asbestos removal programme? Does she share my concerns about that?

Fiona Hyslop:

I have had the opportunity to meet a number of parents from the Glasgow schools to which Anne McLaughlin refers, and they expressed to me their concerns about the issue that she has highlighted. The First Minister agreed previously in the chamber to meet parents from the schools that it is proposed will be closed. There are concerns about the issues that the member raises, but we must respect the ability of councils to take decisions, whether we like them or not. Glasgow City Council has made its decisions and must take responsibility for them. I sincerely hope that it will support parents on health and safety and transport issues. The member is right to raise such concerns but, as she knows, they are a responsibility of Glasgow City Council.

Will any of the £800 million that was announced yesterday for the Scottish Futures Trust school building programme be available to spend on commissions in Glasgow during the financial years 2009-10 and 2010-11?

Fiona Hyslop:

Ken Macintosh may be aware that we have already ensured an acceleration of capital from 2010-11, which has been done to help during the present economic situation. Money has been brought forward to 2009-10 and is benefiting a number of schools. Indeed, the Isobel Mair school in East Renfrewshire has benefited.

The acceleration of capital will give Glasgow City Council the opportunity to bring forward any plans that it may have. Obviously, if the council wants to take part in the scheme that we announced yesterday, it can propose plans. Other local authorities are already making representations and have already spoken to the Scottish Futures Trust, and the door is open for Glasgow City Council to make representations.

On a point of order. Perhaps the cabinet secretary did not hear the question, which was about £800 million of Scottish Futures Trust funding. Would it be in order for the Presiding Officer to advise the member on what the question was about?

I have to assume that the cabinet secretary knows what the question was about. The content of her reply is not for me to determine.


Apprenticeships

To ask the Scottish Executive when the measures agreed at the apprenticeship summit held on 28 April 2009 will be implemented. (S3O-7453)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Fiona Hyslop):

We published the report from the apprenticeship summit on 5 June, and I have already implemented some of the recommendations contained in the report.

On 10 June, I announced ScotAction, which is an integrated skills package combining new and improved measures that offer skills assistance—including wage subsidies in some cases—to help individuals and businesses through this recession. The first phase of ScotAction was the adopt an apprentice scheme that I announced last week. That scheme gives employers up to £2,000 to take on a redundant apprentice and let them continue their training.

Earlier this week, I announced that we would double the number of hospitality apprenticeships by funding 300 adult apprenticeships in that sector. That is in addition to funding 200 all-age apprenticeships in professional cookery that were announced in April.

Only this morning, I announced 1,250 apprenticeships for health and social care and will make further announcements in the next few days.

John Park:

I thank the cabinet secretary for that answer, and I congratulate her on starting to spend wisely the money that Labour managed to secure for her budget during the recent negotiations.

I want to ask about adult apprenticeships. We have seen a decrease in management apprenticeships for people over the age of 20. A key objective of the Scottish Government is to ensure that skills utilisation is to the forefront of any future decisions, and managerial skills are key to utilising skills in the workplace. Following representations that were made during the apprenticeship summit, is the cabinet secretary considering reinstating managerial modern apprenticeships? I am sure that such representations were made to her after the summit, as well.

Fiona Hyslop:

I thank John Park for his question—it is just a pity that Labour did not manage to support the budget the first time around, when funding was available for apprenticeships. However, we got there in the end, and I am very keen about the support that we have received from Labour for the programme. In a number of areas, very constructive recommendations and advice have come from Labour, and from John Park in particular.

John Park raises an important point about management and leadership, and we will certainly consider the situation with regard to modern apprenticeships. An issue that came out of the apprenticeship summit—it has increasingly been a theme with sector skills councils and others—was the importance of embedding skills utilisation and capacity in management and leadership, not just in a stand-alone qualification, but across all the different sectors. To get ourselves through the recession and into recovery, we will have to mobilise the skills and abilities of everybody in every sector. We will therefore be considering a review of the content of all qualifications, to ensure that the capacity for management and leadership, and for skills utilisation, is embedded in all of them.

Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD):

If I understand correctly, there will be a £2,000 wage subsidy for apprentices to help them to secure employment so that they can continue their apprenticeships. However, the Government has not put in place a similar subsidy for people who are currently in employment. Three weeks ago, I and representatives of the textiles sector in Scotland met the Minister for Enterprise, Energy and Tourism with regard to an appeal for exactly such a subsidy. The sector has not received a reply from the minister, so I wonder whether the cabinet secretary and the minister will work fast to ensure that such support is available. The textiles sector desperately needs it now.

Fiona Hyslop:

I will certainly ask the minister to reply as promptly as he can to the correspondence.

A key focus of our attention—and of representations that we have received—is the need for us to ensure that any support and subsidy is directed towards maintaining skills in the economy. At this time, that is especially important in construction. The ability to take on an apprentice and attract the £2,000 subsidy can make a key difference. Indeed, the employer that I met who had signed up the first redundant apprentice under the scheme last week was grateful for it. MSPs across the parties have a responsibility to publicise the availability of the support to their constituents and local businesses in order to help to ensure that redundant apprentices, particularly young people and those who have been made redundant in their third and fourth years, can complete their apprenticeships. The £2,000 one-off payment can help them to do that.


Physical Education

3. Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab):

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it is confident that it will, in this parliamentary session, fulfil the pledge in the SNP manifesto to ensure that every pupil has two hours of quality physical education each week delivered by specialist PE teachers. (S3O-7456)

The Minister for Schools and Skills (Keith Brown):

I am confident that local authorities will be able to demonstrate significant progress in securing two hours of quality physical education for every pupil by the end of this parliamentary session. We have been assured by every local authority's commitment to deliver the curriculum for excellence through the 2009 single outcome agreement process. Our expectation that schools will continue to work towards providing two hours of physical education is embedded in the curriculum for excellence, which is in turn embedded in the national performance framework.

Dr Simpson:

I think that that is a rather longwinded "No." We are promised progress, not that the manifesto commitment will be fulfilled.

Paragraph 71 of the Health and Sport Committee's report on pathways into sport showed that only one council—East Renfrewshire Council—had so far achieved the target of two hours or three 40-minute periods for all pupils, and the Government restated to the committee its aim of achieving the target by August 2010. Will the minister comment on the 1 June report from West Lothian Council's review group on physical education? It states:

"The West Lothian recommendation is that a baseline target of 100 minutes or two 50-minute classes for every pupil every week should be made."

Taking into account changing time and travel time, that means that West Lothian Council will not achieve the target and clearly has no intention of achieving it, so how will the minister be able to fulfil his manifesto promise or even make reasonable progress towards it?

Keith Brown:

I will not comment on the West Lothian Council report—which I have not seen—and especially not on Richard Simpson's interpretation of it, given that his interpretation of what I said to the committee is so far wide of the mark. The committee asked when we expected to fulfil the pledge, and it was 2011 that was mentioned, not 2010.

We intend to achieve that goal by meeting councils. I met one today that has already achieved more than two hours of PE every week for every pupil in its schools. Many other councils are already achieving that. I appreciate that there was not much progress from when the target was first set in 2004, but progress is happening now. In addition, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning has asked Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education to report more transparently on councils' progress in achieving the target. It will not be left until the last minute—perhaps Richard Simpson should have more faith in some of Scotland's councils to deliver it.

Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

Will the Scottish Executive acknowledge that one of the main difficulties that it faces in implementing the policy is the lack of precise definitions of PE, outdoor learning and outdoor education? Will it agree to tighten up those definitions so that we can make progress on the strategy?

Keith Brown:

I am willing to look into that further, but it has been said before that physical education, as distinct from physical activity, is a part of the structured curriculum and that teachers should have specialist training to deliver the subject. There is a commonly understood distinction between physical activity and physical education, but there is still some ambiguity about it, which came out to some extent during discussions with the Health and Sport Committee. I will consider how we can clarify it further.


Students (Drop-out Rates)

To ask the Scottish Executive what the most recent statistics are on drop-out rates among full-time first-degree students and whether it has any concerns regarding these statistics. (S3O-7448)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Fiona Hyslop):

The most recent statistics on drop-out rates among full-time first-degree students were released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency on 4 June 2009. Although there is still more to be done, we welcome the fact that the figures show an improvement in completion rates over the past five years, with the rate of students not continuing their studies reducing from 10.7 per cent to 9 per cent.

Pauline McNeill:

Although I welcome any reduction in drop-out rates in Scotland, rates here are still the worst in the United Kingdom. Given that, does the cabinet secretary agree that there is an urgent need to address the issue, and that one way of doing so is to use existing resources to provide a £7,000 minimum income guarantee for the poorest students? In Glasgow Caledonian University in my constituency, which is a key institution in attracting students from poorer backgrounds, the drop-out rate is 13 per cent. Will the cabinet secretary tell Parliament how the Government will tackle drop-out rates?

Fiona Hyslop:

I understand that a number of institutions, including the Glasgow School of Art, Edinburgh College of Art and the University of Abertay Dundee have, in benchmarking, better rates than others, so obviously lessons can be learned. It is important to reflect that some of the figures are affected by the fact that, although colleges deliver a large part of higher education provision in Scotland, their provision of first-degree-level studies is comparatively low. However, I acknowledge that there is a big issue and that the approach must be not only about recruitment, but about retention and support for students once they are in—particularly in their first year. That is one reason why I have written to the spokespeople of other parties on their proposals for a £7,000 support package for students, which Pauline McNeill mentioned. There are issues about the calculations, so I have asked for clarification of how the figures were calculated, with a view to a meeting later in the summer to discuss whether we can make progress on anything in the proposals.

Question 5 has been withdrawn.


Primary Schools (Shared Headships)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it has evidence that shared headships for rural primary schools impact positively on the education of children. (S3O-7387)

The Minister for Schools and Skills (Keith Brown):

There is no evidence to suggest that shared headships impact negatively on the education of children. Some local authorities view the sharing of a headteacher by two schools as preferable to having a teaching headteacher. Shared headship can be a means of protecting the viability of the smallest rural schools.

John Lamont:

The minister will be aware of the proposals in the Scottish Borders to link several primary schools under shared headships. That has caused considerable concern in Newcastleton, where the local primary school is to be paired with Stirches primary school in Hawick, which is more than 20 miles away. Does the Scottish Government acknowledge that it is, wherever possible, preferable to have a dedicated headteacher based on site in rural schools such as Newcastleton primary school and that local authorities that have large rural areas, such as Scottish Borders Council, often require additional resources to support such schools?

Keith Brown:

I am aware of the situation that John Lamont mentions, and I have been in correspondence with him on it. All I can say is that it is up to each individual authority to decide how best to proceed. There are sometimes advantages from shared headships, not least of which is that a head who is not teaching has more time for management. It can also result in a better calibre of applicant for the post. Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education, which has looked into the issue, says that whether a shared headteacher post works really comes down to the quality of the headteacher. The decision is for councils to take—the Scottish Government does not impose a decision or direct councils on this. Councils sometimes decide to have shared headships in the best interests of the teaching in a particular school and to keep rural schools available and open.


Schools (Local Food Procurement)

To ask the Scottish Executive what progress it is making in encouraging schools to procure food from local sources. (S3O-7394)

The Minister for Children and Early Years (Adam Ingram):

Under the Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Act 2007, local authorities have a duty to have regard to Scottish Government guidance on sustainable development when procuring food and drink or catering services for schools. Our guidance document "Integrating sustainable development into procurement of food and catering services" gives advice on how aspects such as freshness, quality standards and asking for seasonally available produce can lead to more engagement from local suppliers while staying within European Union procurement law.

We all know about the excellent work in East Ayrshire on purchasing fresh local food for school lunches. However, anecdotal evidence suggests that local authorities and individual schools throughout Scotland are promoting sustainability in their food choices and are, among other things, increasingly using local suppliers and producers and promoting local ingredients in school menus. The challenge is to make that approach mainstream. Our national food and drink policy will help to make progress on that.

Will the minister expand on what practical measures the Government has taken to make it easier for public agencies such as schools to procure locally produced food?

Adam Ingram:

As I indicated, some work streams are on-going. For example, Robin Gourlay of East Ayrshire Council chaired the national food and drink policy work stream on public procurement, which consulted widely with producers, processors, the hospitality industry and public sector procurement specialists. Recommendations from his draft report are currently being considered by officials as the next steps of the food and drink policy are taken forward. Nanette Milne will probably be aware that Aberdeenshire is making particular progress in that area.


Europe, External Affairs and Culture


Scottish MEPs

To ask the Scottish Government how it will make use of the six Scottish MEPs to further Scotland's best interests in the European Union. (S3O-7471)

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

First, I congratulate all six of Scotland's newly elected MEPs. The Scottish Government has already begun to engage proactively with them—as a team and individually—in order that they may deliver the best possible outcomes for Scotland in key EU areas such as fisheries and renewable energy.

I wonder how they might help us to gain the best from the European recovery programme, which contains not only renewables elements but broadband, carbon capture and storage, and the North Sea grid.

Michael Russell:

The recovery programme that is under way has a number of priorities. On broadband, it is fair to say that while Scotland still needs some development, it is not in a category in which substantial investment is needed to complete the coverage, which is an issue in north Wales, for example.

Energy is a key area. The recovery programme, which is focused on a variety of renewables, will help to support the Aberdeen offshore demonstrator and will be involved in the carbon capture plant. Those are good examples arising from strong lobbying by Scotland's MEPs and a strong team effort to put forward a case for Scotland. A strong follow-through of support for the actions of this Government, to ensure that we get our policy outcomes for the good of Scotland, will be very welcome. I see the six MEPs as a team, and I have offered them my support and the support of Scotland House in Brussels to ensure that they can achieve the maximum possible.

Liam McArthur (Orkney) (LD):

The minister will be aware from his previous incarnation of the cross-party team effort of Scotland's MEPs in resisting the introduction of the current proposals for the electronic identification of Scotland's sheep flock. Does he agree that as those efforts continue, the addition of George Lyon, a former NFU Scotland president, as one of Scotland's six MEPs will be enormously helpful? Will he do all that he can, as Europe minister, to facilitate a meeting between his former boss the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment and Commissioner Vassiliou to agree a voluntary on-farm sheep ID scheme?

Michael Russell:

The member used the word "incarnation". I always welcome incarnation and reincarnation. In the case of George Lyon, that is precisely what has happened: he is reborn as an MEP. I am sure that members will be delighted to hear that, typical of the constructive approach of both of us, we have already had a telephone conversation. I hope that I will meet George Lyon shortly—not something that I have said often—to discuss the role that he will play. He has indicated that he wishes to have a positive relationship with this Government, which is what I want with all of our MEPs. Together, I am sure that we will make a difference.

How can the Scottish Parliament further co-operate with the six Scottish MEPs to increase the understanding of the European issues that have a direct impact on Scotland and to allow MSPs to express their views on European affairs?

Michael Russell:

Dr McKee asks a good question. There are two aspects. One aspect is the role of the Parliament in issues of subsidiarity. The Lisbon treaty anticipates an enhanced role for sub-national Parliaments. In those circumstances, as the Presiding Officer and members will be aware, the Parliament itself is endeavouring to engage with Westminster on the issue, and the Government is engaging with the United Kingdom Government on the issue, to ensure that our parliamentary scrutiny activities are kept up to speed and improved. MEPs have a strong role to play in being an early warning system for material that is going through Europe.

I am keen to develop a number of structures in Scotland, including the European elected members information liaison and exchange structure, which has been slightly unwieldy up until now. EMILE is a committee of all six MEPs, local authority representatives and the convener of the European and External Relations Committee. I hope that we can focus EMILE so that it is a body with action at its heart. If we do so, I hope that the MEPs will play a full and active part.


Latin America (Engagement)

To ask the Scottish Executive what plans it has to engage with Latin American countries. (S3O-7457)

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

I am aware of the member's keen interest in Latin American countries, particularly Cuba. I had the privilege of having dinner with a Cuban delegation and the member some time ago.

As I said at my appearance before the European and External Relations Committee, I am keen to consider all new opportunities to promote Scotland overseas. The fact that the value of exports from Scotland to central and South America nearly doubled from 2004 to 2007 is of immediate interest, as are the opportunities in the energy sector that exist across the continent. There are, of course, cultural links with a number of countries in South America, as well as links of friendship.

As I said to the committee, I intend to turn to engagement with Latin American countries in the coming months, in order to identify the right priorities. We will be led by the existence of opportunity and the need to prioritise to meet the Government's economic purpose of increasing sustainable economic growth.

Elaine Smith:

The minister guessed correctly about my specific interest in Latin American countries. Is he aware that the Assembly Government has successfully developed a number of formal links with Cuba in education and is looking to foster agricultural links, with a particular interest in Cuba's permaculture urban food movement? In light of that, and given his previous answer, will the minister seriously consider engaging with Cuba, particularly in this historic year of the 50th anniversary of the socialist revolution in that country?

Michael Russell:

I am happy to say that I will seriously consider our relationship with Cuba as part of our relationship with Latin America. I would welcome an opportunity to talk to the member about that. I invite her to come and see me about it. I stress that no decision has been made about how exactly we are to proceed, but it makes sense for us to engage as constructively as possible in each area of the globe, and also to address language issues where major languages are likely to be part of our efforts. That must be led not only by economic matters, but by cultural and political matters.

I invite the member to talk to me about Cuba. Our conversations have been very constructive in the past and I am sure that they will be in the future.

Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

Will the minister ensure that, in any engagement with Cuba, human rights are at the top of the agenda, in particular the suppression of free speech in Cuba and the oppression of those who express political views that are contrary to those of the current authoritarian regime?

Michael Russell:

I am certain that anybody with whom we work will want to emulate the wonderful freedom of speech that we have in Scotland, where Mr Fraser and I can discuss these matters fully in the open and agree on them. Human rights are very important. In all our work, we should encourage people to offer the same opportunities that we enjoy. I encourage Mr Fraser to take his interest a step further and support an independence referendum in Scotland that will allow the people to choose.


Latin America (Opportunities)

To ask the Scottish Government whether it plans to explore areas of opportunity in Latin America that would prove beneficial to Scotland. (S3O-7488)

It seems that Latin America is the flavour of the month.

Darien.

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

I am tempted to comment on the Darien expedition, but I will resist. That expedition included the sending of a large number of woollen bonnets from Dundee, which is perhaps not the trade activity that I had in mind when I talked about trade links with South America.

I refer the member to the answer that I have just given to Elaine Smith. We are defining what we want to do in terms of economic opportunity, cultural opportunity, friendship and our desire to normalise our relations in every part of the world. I am not sure that Darien is at the forefront of our ideas, but it must be in there somewhere.

Darien—[Laughter.] Sorry. Sandra White.

Sandra White:

I hear what the minister says and agree with his reply to Elaine Smith, but I am interested specifically in the green energy production that not just Cuba, but other Latin American countries are at the forefront of. Has the minister thought about speaking to those countries about their green energy production? Scotland has expertise in green energy, too.

Michael Russell:

Following his meeting with the First Minister during Scotland week in 2008, Luis Alberto Moreno, the president of the Inter-American Development Bank, visited Scotland in October 2008. The IDB is working on a number of proposals to promote renewable energy partnerships between Scotland and Latin American. While President Moreno was here, he had meetings with a number of companies that are involved in renewables.

Scottish Development International has been working with the IDB to promote the contribution that Scotland and Scottish companies can make in renewable energy. Like Scotland, Chile has significant wave and tidal resources. SDI has supported outward and inward missions from Chile for marine energy and other projects that are under way in Latin America.

The member might also want to be aware that the University of Strathclyde will launch a regional centre on renewable energy and environmental protection in Mexico in August 2009.

A great deal of work is under way, but we want to encourage even more, because that emphasises Scotland's world-leading position in some of these technologies.

Question 4 has been withdrawn.


Edinburgh Festivals

To ask the Scottish Executive what discussions the Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution has had with the organisers of the Edinburgh festivals about the impact on the festivals of the economic downturn. (S3O-7415)

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

Of course, the festivals—not just the Edinburgh festivals but all Scotland's festivals—will be the subject of a debate later this afternoon.

It is fair to say—as I will say in the debate—that it is too early to be able to assess the impact of the economic downturn on the Edinburgh festivals, but the early signs are positive. For example, only last week, the Edinburgh fringe announced its largest ever programme. We are all determined to ensure that the Edinburgh festivals continue to flourish. The Government's commitment is demonstrated by the significant investment that we are making in the festivals through the Scottish Government's Edinburgh festivals expo fund.

Margaret Smith:

I thank the minister for his optimistic answer.

The Government has certainly supported the festivals, both directly and indirectly. Will it continue to give financial support as well as support for council initiatives, such as the festival business breakfast in August, given the cultural and economic importance of the Edinburgh festivals to the country? What progress has been made in implementing the key recommendations of the report "Thundering Hooves: Maintaining the Global Competitive Edge of Edinburgh's Festivals"?

Michael Russell:

I can certainly confirm for the member—who has a strong interest in the matter—that we intend to continue with the expo fund, which has another year to run. Our commitment to the Edinburgh festivals is strong and constant. We take seriously indeed the conclusions of the "Thundering Hooves" report, on which a great deal of progress has been made. The essential message of that report should always be kept in mind: the excellence of the Edinburgh festivals must be a perpetual excellence. Year on year, those festivals must be the greatest arts festivals in the world. Certainly, the fringe is the largest festival of its kind, but we must ensure that Edinburgh's unique collection of 12 festivals continues to grow and develop.

Just last night, I had the opportunity to attend the launch event of the Edinburgh international film festival. In conversation with Sam Mendes—the director whose film was being shown—I made the point that his allowing that film to be shown here at the start of the festival was a vital contribution. To every artist, director, performer or other person with distinction in the arts throughout the world, I say that we want to ensure that they come here to maintain the quality of our festivals.


Commission on Scottish Devolution

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will support the recommendations of the Calman Commission on Scottish Devolution. (S3O-7460)

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

The member will not be surprised to know that we support some of the Calman recommendations, in particular those that we argued for—the member has usually been on the other side in those arguments, so I welcome his conversion—on matters such as air-guns, drink driving and a range of other issues. We have made those arguments for some time, so I am glad that others are now catching up with us.

However, the report as a whole—Professor Calman indicated that the report should not be taken as a whole, but we can take it as a whole, if the member wishes—is a missed opportunity. In contrast, the Government's national conversation provides a genuinely open debate with the people of Scotland about our future. [Interruption.]

As ever, I hear the tinkling laughter of the member for Midlothian. That somewhat annoying noise, which I try not to be annoyed by, tinkles away. However, the member for Midlothian has not attended a national conversation event. I invite her to turn up to such an event to debate with me. Then it will be the audience whose laughter tinkles.

We are intensifying the national conversation. That will lead to a white paper in November that lays out our proposals and a choice for the people in a referendum next year. I am sure that the people of Midlothian will choose wisely and choose independence.

I call Alasdair Morgan.



Sorry. I meant to call David Whitton.

David Whitton:

That is all right, Presiding Officer. It would be easy to lose track after that very long answer.

Earlier today, the First Minister said that he saw no reason why some of the Calman commission recommendations could not be implemented now. Laying aside the national conversation, which is really just a nationalist blog, does the minister agree that the process would be aided greatly if the Scottish Government lifted its petty and ludicrous ban on Scottish civil servants co-operating with the continuing work of the Calman commission?

Michael Russell:

Were there such a ban, I would ask for it to be lifted now. As the minister responsible for this area of work, I know the amount of time and effort that the civil servants who work with me have put into answering questions from the Calman commission and working constructively. I attended the launch of the commission's report on Monday, but I do not think that the member was there, so I have better first-hand knowledge of what Ken Calman said than the member does.

I make it clear that we are very keen to see forward movement on these matters. I hope to come to the chamber shortly to talk about how we can take the issues forward without further delay and without the long-grass tactics of which Mr Jim Murphy seems fond. We will move forward. Just as I suggested to Mr Fraser that openness was required on the referendum, I say to the member, let the people of Scotland have the final say. Until he does that, he is no democrat.

Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP):

Does the minister agree that, given that the Labour Party has argued for the past 10 years that the current devolution settlement is somehow the immutable will of the Scottish people, the fact that it is now offering extensions to that settlement only gives weight to the arguments for full independence for Scotland?

As ever, I find myself in complete agreement with my friend Mr Morgan. I could not put it better myself.

Question 7 was lodged by Helen Eadie, but I do not think that she is in the chamber, which is unfortunate, shall we say.


Scottish Maritime Museum

To ask the Scottish Executive what support it provides for the Scottish maritime museum. (S3O-7420)

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

Support for non-national museums, including the Scottish maritime museum, is routed through Museums Galleries Scotland, which makes decisions on funding, taking into account the business needs of the museums and competing demands for the grant fund. The planned funding for the Scottish maritime museum from Museums Galleries Scotland in 2009-10 is £305,000.

Jackie Baillie:

The minister will recall the report that he and I wrote way back in October 2002, a copy of which I dusted down, and he will know that some of the issues that we identified remain. Now that he is the minister, will he ensure that a robust and consistent funding framework is in place for the museums sector? Might I invite him to give a specific commitment to provide continual financial assistance to industrial museums and to announce that wonderfully good news at an event at the Scottish maritime museum in my constituency?

Michael Russell:

In the interest of accuracy, I point out that part of the Scottish maritime museum is in Jackie Baillie's constituency. I have already committed to visiting the Denny tank, which is in her constituency, and I am a long-time supporter of not just the Scottish maritime museum but the industrial museum sector.

Three weeks ago, we held a Scottish museums summit and brought together the entire museums sector, because I, too, was concerned that some of the issues that Jackie Baillie and I identified in the work that we did together on that report while on the Education, Culture and Sport Committee in the first session of Parliament have not been resolved. It is important that the entire sector is involved in helping to resolve them.

We are setting up a policy group to work with me and my officials, the key issue for which will be the need for a consistent, long-term funding framework throughout the sector. It is obvious that we are seeking that at a time of constrained resources, but the sector's response to that day meeting was positive. I think that Jackie Baillie will know that from the Scottish maritime museum, because Jim Tildesley was there. We will take forward the work to try to get the sustainable solution that Scotland's industrial and other museums deserve.

Rhona Brankin (Midlothian) (Lab):

The member alluded to the fact that the maritime museum is part of a group of industrial museums, as is the Scottish mining museum. There has been some additional capital funding, but there is no long-term, sustainable funding for that museum. Will the minister commit today to taking the Scottish mining museum into the group of national museums, as it already has a national collection?

Michael Russell:

No, I will not make that commitment, and I regret that I have been asked to do so. If the member was trying to be helpful—which she should be, because it is co-operation that makes a difference on such issues—she would have told the Parliament, as I am about to, that Henry McLeish, the chair of the Scottish mining museum, spoke to the museums summit, was part of the debate and discussion, and will be part of the process of setting the national strategy.

I visited the Scottish mining museum some time ago, first in order to announce the capital funding, but secondly to engage with all those who are involved in the museum and to say that it is an immensely valuable resource and that we need to find the right way forward. If all that we have is attempts to score press releases for the "Midlothian Courier" or some such, the member is not part of the solution but remains part of the problem.


Cultural Developments (Borders)

To ask the Scottish Executive how it is supporting cultural development in the Borders. (S3O-7412)

The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):

The Scottish Government, through the Scottish Arts Council, is supporting a wide variety of cultural developments in the Borders. It is supporting, for example, the Eastgate theatre and the Wynd theatre, the Borders book festival—which I will attend this week; I will be there tomorrow—young people through the youth music initiative, and artists. We welcome the enthusiastic way in which the Borders has embraced the year of homecoming, which features the return to the ridings and the in the footsteps of the reivers events and the clan Scott gathering, which homecoming Scotland is supporting.

Jeremy Purvis:

I look forward to seeing the minister tomorrow in Melrose.

I have nothing against the Dumfries house project and the Scottish Government's committing £5 million to it to fill a funding gap, but does the minister agree that the Abbotsford house project is of much greater cultural and historical significance to Scotland and that, as such, it should be a very good candidate for Government support to fill a funding gap if such a gap arises, despite the excellent Heritage Lottery Fund bid for £4.5 million, which it has already received? Does he agree that it would be a tragedy if that project did not proceed because of a lack of central Government support?

Michael Russell:

It is important not to be against projects, but to be in favour of them. I am happy to say that I am strongly in favour of the Abbotsford project. My visit to Abbotsford just before the HLF decision shows my support for it. I have had conversations with the member about Abbotsford and I hope to go back there again. A fundraising event is being held this evening by the Faculty of Advocates. Alas, I do not think that I will get to that event, but I express my support for it. We must ensure that Abbotsford is secured. These are difficult times financially—nobody is saying anything other than that—but I have given a commitment to the member that I will work as closely with him and the Abbotsford trustees as I can on something that Scotland needs to have: a place where we can remember the extraordinary genius of Walter Scott and reflect on his cultural influence on the nation and, more widely, on the importance of the writer not just as an entertainer or storyteller, but as a conscience of the nation.

Meeting suspended.