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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 02 Mar 2000

Meeting date: Thursday, March 2, 2000


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


Rail Services

To ask the Scottish Executive whether, in its forthcoming meeting with the chief executive of Railtrack, it will discuss the issue of investment to reduce journey times between Aberdeen and Edinburgh. (S1O-1269)

During my forthcoming meeting with the chief executive of Railtrack I will discuss a wide range of matters.

Lewis Macdonald:

I thank the minister for her answer. Is she aware that it currently takes longer to travel to Aberdeen from Edinburgh by train than by car and that a journey time of two and a half hours represents an average of 52 mph, which is hardly acceptable for what should be one of Scotland's main communication links?

Will the minister ensure that Railtrack is aware that many people now recognise that although electrification remains a desirable objective, much more could be done to enhance the quality of the Aberdeen-Edinburgh route and to reduce journey times?

Sarah Boyack:

It is important that we improve the travelling times for rail journeys between Aberdeen and Edinburgh and Aberdeen and Glasgow. I draw to the attention of members the fact that new rolling stock from ScotRail and the new east coast main line franchise will improve journey speeds. Furthermore, investment in infrastructure, particularly in Fife, will bring down the journey time between Edinburgh and Aberdeen.

Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):

Will the minister detail the actions that she has taken and the instructions that she has given to Railtrack to ensure that the renovation and maintenance work on the Forth rail bridge will be carried out without further delay? What assurances has she sought from Railtrack to secure the long-term future of the bridge and the future of the Edinburgh to Aberdeen line?

Sarah Boyack:

The member raised the issue of instructions, which are not within my power. It is not a question of my instructing Railtrack; I represent the Scottish Executive and I encourage Railtrack. I discuss with Railtrack the key priorities of the Executive. The Forth rail bridge is a key part of the Scottish infrastructure, and, of course, we will encourage Railtrack to do everything in its power to ensure that the infrastructure is maintained to the highest standards.

What action has the minister taken to take advantage of the route's designation under the European Union's trans-European network programme? Has any assessment been made of possible additional funding from that source?

Sarah Boyack:

I am grateful to Nora Radcliffe for giving me the opportunity to highlight trans-European network funding. However, I must draw to the attention of the Parliament the fact that such funding provides an opportunity for only 10 per cent of the investment on any particular route. Although it is an important opportunity, it should not be overstated, and such matters must compete with other European Commission priorities. In the context of railway investment in Scotland, I am happy to consider the opportunities that might arise from trans-European network status.


First Minister (Website)

2. David Mundell (South of Scotland) (Con):

First, I must declare my registered interest in British Telecommunications.

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it has any plans to establish a First Minister's website, similar to the Prime Minister's site at www.number-10.gov.uk. R (S1O-1249)

The Scottish Executive's internet site already includes a message from the First Minister. The Scottish Executive has no plans to establish a separate First Minister's website.

David Mundell:

I am disappointed to hear that, although I am not sure how we in Scotland would benefit from Tony Blair's ABC of politics, which I see says that "R is for reshuffle".

Does the minister agree that if we are to have an e-revolution in Scotland, it needs leadership from the very top? Should not the First Minister be playing the role of Che Guevara in that revolution?

Mr McConnell:

I am delighted to hear that the Conservatives have such interest in the views and aspirations of the Prime Minister and the First Minister. We have a good website, which is currently being improved. The website will not include a separate First Minister's site, but will include improvements that will benefit all authorities in Scotland.


Infectious Salmon Anaemia

To ask the Scottish Executive what plans it has to revise the infectious salmon anaemia (ISA) control regime in the light of the expected revised EU directive permitting national ISA regimes. (S1O-1279)

The Deputy Minister for Rural Affairs (Mr John Home Robertson):

The proposed amendment to EU directive 93/53 to allow greater flexibility when handling infectious salmon anaemia cases and the possible use of vaccine has now been cleared by a council working group, by chief veterinary officers, and—earlier today, I am happy to report—by the European Parliament. It is expected to be submitted to a full Council of Ministers for adoption later this month.

We can now proceed to consider how best to implement this amended regime, and we will undertake appropriate consultations. This Parliament will be invited to approve the consequential changes to the domestic disease control regulations in due course.

Tavish Scott:

The minister will share my pleasure at today's announcement of the European Parliament. Will he be sure to be at the Fisheries Council when this matter comes up, to ensure that it goes through, as I hope it will?

Will the minister also take the opportunity to pursue the ISA restart scheme that has been organised by Highlands and Islands Enterprise? Does he have any information on the implementation of the scheme?

Mr Home Robertson:

It may be possible to get this matter to the council even before the next Fisheries Council, which would mean that it could be dealt with by another meeting of the European Council. Doing that would be going as quickly as possible.

We have earmarked £9 million for the HIE restart scheme. I understand that HIE has already received some 20 inquiries. The scheme will require approval from the European Union under the regulations on aid to industry, but we are making good progress, and we want that money to get to the farms to enable them to get going again as soon as possible.

Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP):

Is the minister confident that his policy of not compensating salmon producers who have lost their stocks because of the Government's slaughtering policy is compatible with human rights legislation? When did the Government decide on its policy of not compensating for losses incurred because of naturally occurring fish diseases?

It has been a long-standing policy of successive Governments not to pay compensation for naturally occurring events. However, we are keen to support and to help the industry. That is what the restart scheme is all about.


Mental Health and Well-being<br />Development Fund

To ask the Scottish Executive how much money has been distributed from the mental health and well-being development fund, and how many projects have benefited. (S1O-1284)

Since 1998, the fund has offered support to 72 separate projects, spanning every health board area in Scotland. Over £6.6 million has been allocated so far to the projects and related activity.

Des McNulty:

I am grateful to the minister for highlighting the fact that so much good work is being done. Will he confirm that especially valuable pioneering work has been done in Glasgow in finding practical solutions to the very real difficulties that people with dementia and their carers face?

Iain Gray:

Mr McNulty has highlighted a particular project that was supported by the fund; indeed, 17 projects in the Greater Glasgow Health Board area have been supported by the fund. Glasgow 1999 culminated in an especially successful international conference on dementia in which I took part. The conference drew in innovative ideas in dementia-friendly design from across the world, and it was especially well co-ordinated by the Scottish Dementia Services Development Centre, a world leader of which we in Scotland can be very proud.

Will the minister make public the progress that has been made in developing the mental health framework for Scotland, and will he indicate the Executive's targets?

Iain Gray:

The mental health and well-being development fund is very much about progressing the mental health framework, which has been widely accepted across the service since its publication in 1997. Projects are provided with first-year funding to get them started, and the projects must progress the framework. However, the Minister for Health and Community Care and I believe that the implementation of the framework could be accelerated. That is one of the reasons why we held the mental health summit last month and why we have formed the mental health support group. We look to that group to advise us on the targets at which we might aim.


Elderly People

To ask the Scottish Executive what steps are being taken to ensure the physical protection of elderly people in society. (S1O-1262)

We are determined to ensure that everyone in society, and the vulnerable in particular, can live in safety.

Christine Grahame:

Does the minister agree that it is a great concern that police checks should not be mandatory for people who care for the elderly either in a paid or voluntary capacity and either in a residential or domestic setting? Will he give a commitment to remedy that frightening deficiency in the system and, at the same time, establish a national carers register?

Iain Gray:

We are developing a number of initiatives to improve our confidence in services for older people who live in care. Next year, we hope to pass legislation to set up the Scottish commission for the regulation of care, which will inspect and regulate residential care and advise us on what further measures need to be taken.

Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West):

Will the minister assure us that the Sutherland report's recommendations, which are the Scottish Executive's responsibility, will be implemented in their entirety, so that the Scottish Executive and the Parliament will be seen to be responding positively to the real needs and priorities of our senior citizens, unlike the Westminster Government, which insults our pensioners with a miserable increase of 75p a week?

Iain Gray:

We have developed a significant number of the Sutherland commission's recommendations in extremely important areas such as the regulation and inspection of nationally consistent care standards; the introduction of direct payments for older people; and the carers strategy, which came before the Parliament in November. People who reduce Sir Stewart Sutherland's report to one recommendation and focus solely on that do a disservice to the commission's work. We will develop the report's proposals in the context of the comprehensive spending review, which is already under way.

Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab):

Is the minister aware that Age Concern is undertaking research into domestic abuse of the elderly by partners, children and other carers? Will he make a commitment to consider the results of that research thoroughly, with a view to Executive action if necessary?

Iain Gray:

Although we will always consider such research and its policy implications, I should point out that we continue to fund the national telephone helpline which is run by Action on Elder Abuse and provides confidential support for anyone suffering abuse. That organisation has recently produced research which we are currently considering.


National Park

6. Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD):

To ask the Scottish Executive what provision it has made for meeting the cost of establishing the Loch Lomond national park, and whether all funding, once determined, will be additional and will not displace resources from environmental programmes in other geographic areas outside the park boundaries. (S1O-1281)

The Minister for Transport and the Environment (Sarah Boyack):

We aim to establish the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs national park by summer 2001. The draft bill provides for the Scottish Executive to meet all core funding.

Resources have been allocated in 2000-01 and 2001-02 towards the cost of establishing national park authorities and to meet expenditure by the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs national park. Those resources are additional and will not displace other environmental programmes. Funding for 2002-03 and 2003-04 will be considered in the 2000 spending review.

Robert Brown:

Will the minister confirm that, given the tight nature of local authority settlements and the necessity to draw the support of all local interests behind the national concept of national parks, additional local authority resources will not be called on?

Sarah Boyack:

The main point behind Robert Brown's question is why we think that it is a national responsibility, and why we are picking up the core costs for the new national parks. It might be helpful to point out that we are increasing our support from 80 per cent of the funding in the previous financial year to 85 per cent of the funding this year in recognition of the significance of national parks and to alleviate the need to make sure that sufficient resources are in place when the new national park is established next year.

Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con):

From the indicative allocations for the Loch Lomond national park, can the minister tell us what proportion of the budget will be allocated, first, for administration and, secondly, for direct service expenditure? Has any study been undertaken to establish the possibility that some of the park's specific objectives might have been better achieved by earmarked grants to the relevant local authorities?

Sarah Boyack:

Investment in the national park will meet the needs of national park designation. The whole point of designating a national park is to bring together the efforts of existing organisations and to add value to them. The purpose of the national park plan is to set out key strategic objectives to develop what is being delivered at the moment, to integrate and to provide a much higher quality of protection and development in the area.


Common Agricultural Policy

To ask the Scottish Executive what representations it has made to Her Majesty's Government regarding reform of the common agricultural policy. (S1O-1266)

The Minister for Rural Affairs (Ross Finnie):

As Irene Oldfather will be aware, a major reform of the common agricultural policy was agreed by European Union heads of government in March 1999 and is now going through a phased implementation programme. Accordingly, my discussions with other UK agriculture ministers have been directed more towards the implementation issues than further reform.

Irene Oldfather:

Does the minister agree that to allow Scottish industry to compete in world markets, export refund systems must fully compensate for the difference between world grain prices and EU intervention prices? Will he give an assurance that he will make representations to ensure that the industries affected in Scotland, particularly the whisky, chemical and paper industries, will not suffer job losses to keep grain prices in the EU artificially high?

Ross Finnie:

The issue of refunds, particularly in relation to the Scotch whisky industry, was discussed in an adjournment debate in the House of Commons yesterday. To that end, I had discussions with Joyce Quin, the Minister of State, Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food. We agreed that our position would be supported in the way in which the position is put forward at the next meeting of the European Council.

I intend to be present at that meeting to ensure that the interests of the Scotch whisky industry and the other industries to which the member referred are protected. As the member will be aware, the regulations are under severe pressure from the World Trade Organisation and from the EU budget, which is severely stretched. We are extremely anxious to ensure that, whatever changes are made, those industries are not adversely affected.

What role does the minister foresee for himself, or for his successors, in future renegotiations of the CAP? As the Scottish minister, what authority does he expect to carry within the UK delegation?

Ross Finnie:

There are two aspects to that question. It is important that we take the opportunity of having a Scottish Parliament, and all that that implies, to do something that has not been done seriously in the past—to engage with the industry to ensure that, when we come to the next round of CAP reform, we have a clear view of what we are trying to do. We can then take that view and have a positive position within the UK delegation on how the UK should promote its position towards CAP reform. There is every opportunity, through the Rural Affairs Committee and others, to have a much more robust line on what we want to suggest as positive proposals for the reform of CAP in the next round.


Child Workers

8. Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):

To ask the Scottish Executive how many local authorities now have byelaws in place to protect children from taking on unsuitable employment at a young age and what steps it is taking to ensure that those byelaws are enforced where they exist and are promoted as necessary where they do not. (S1O-1241)

The Deputy Minister for Children and Education (Peter Peacock):

Sixteen local authorities have revised byelaws in place following guidance issued in May 1998. Ten have submitted byelaws for confirmation and six are engaged in the process of local consultation on future byelaws. Local authorities are responsible for enforcement.

Elaine Smith:

Given the need for all agencies and organisations concerned with the employment of children to take a strategic approach, is the minister prepared to explore the possibility of supporting a particular pilot scheme, involving, for example, the Scottish Low Pay Unit and the Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland, to investigate ways in which employers can employ children and young people safely and responsibly?

Peter Peacock:

That sounds like a very interesting idea. If Elaine Smith could provide me with more details, I would be happy to consider it. If we can find constructive ways to help young people to engage in employment within the framework that we have set out to protect their rights, we are happy to consider them.

Will the minister impress on the police the need to act urgently when the law in this area is broken, given that this is an issue of public and child safety?

Peter Peacock:

Once the framework of byelaws is in place, and before that framework is finalised, we are anxious to ensure that their introduction is followed by enforcement. Byelaws by themselves, without an enforcement process, would be of little value. I have asked officials to report to me about what we might do to strengthen that position.


Renewable Energy

To ask the Scottish Executive whether the incineration of municipal solid waste to create electricity is a renewable form of energy generation. (S1O-1278)

The Minister for Transport and the Environment (Sarah Boyack):

Under United Kingdom renewable energy policy, waste-to-energy technologies, including incineration of municipal waste, have always been accepted as a form of renewable energy generation. They were therefore included within the Scottish renewables obligation. Municipal waste incineration processes are licensed for pollution control purposes and are subject to regulation by the Scottish Environment Protection Agency.

Robin Harper:

Does the minister agree that if—I hope that we will not—we in Scotland build incinerators to deal with our excess waste, we will be tying ourselves to producing waste to feed the incinerators instead of minimising waste, which is, I believe, a Government policy? Does she agree that if we allow that as part of the SRO, we can squeeze out other forms of renewable energy, such as wave power and wind power, in the development of which Scotland should be leading the world?

Sarah Boyack:

Robin Harper is correct to identify the problem of accumulating, which relates to the amount of waste that we generate as a society. We need a variety of ways to deal with that, and I am keen to encourage local authorities to work with SEPA, through the national waste strategy, to identify appropriate ways to deal with waste.

To illustrate the SRO, six schemes have been commissioned so far that come under the category that we are talking about. Five of them are for landfill gas schemes. They take the methane that comes out of landfill and reuse it, preventing that gas from being released into the atmosphere. Our approach requires to address more than one waste problem. I am keen to encourage a strategic approach.

Dorothy-Grace Elder (Glasgow) (SNP):

Further to that, and on an imminent threat to the Scottish environment, the minister may be aware that the United States Navy has been banned from a Puerto Rican firing range, which was judged to be too dangerous, following the death of a local person. Now, however, the Ministry of Defence has agreed to—

Order. What has this got to do with Robin Harper's question?

The question is this. As the Ministry of Defence has agreed to allow the American navy to fire on and shell Cape Wrath instead, will the minister—

Order. That has nothing whatever to do with the question.

Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):

Given the pressure on existing landfill sites, and given the introduction of successful pilot projects in other parts of the United Kingdom, does the minister agree that incinerator plants may well be the way forward? What audit is she carrying out of what the Scottish councils propose to do in the future?

Sarah Boyack:

Jamie Stone is right: there may be a need for some incineration in the future. The £40 million waste-to-energy plant at Dundee is an example. It is being supported through the SRO. The critical thing is to get the approach right.

By bringing local authorities together where appropriate, we can get a response which will tackle the issues regionally and not leave each local authority to deal with a problem in isolation from the opportunities that exist to tackle this issue effectively.

Does the minister agree that, even if such incineration plants are deemed to be acceptable, their establishment at locations such as Newton Stewart in Wigtownshire is totally unacceptable?

Sarah Boyack:

I cannot comment specifically on an issue which is likely to be raised prior to planning. I stress that it is important for local people to get involved in the planning process and to make their views heard. I do not want to comment on the particular case of the application that Alex Fergusson raises.

Question 10 has been withdrawn.


Measles, Mumps and Rubella Immunisation

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it has any concerns regarding the uptake of the MMR injection. (S1O-1282)

The Deputy Minister for Community Care (Iain Gray):

The Executive was pleased to note that 92.3 per cent of the target group received MMR vaccination in the third quarter of 1999. We want to see that figure rise to 95 per cent, so that a sufficient level of immunity is achieved to prevent continuing transmission of the viruses among the population.

Mary Scanlon:

On the figures which were released yesterday, the national average is 92 per cent. Is the minister aware, however, that the areas of four health boards in Scotland are below the critical level of 90 per cent that is needed to prevent an epidemic?

Does the Executive have any plans to do research into the possible link between the MMR vaccine and autism to allay the fears of parents?

Iain Gray:

Mary Scanlon asked a couple of important questions. Rates for MMR take-up are not falling across Scotland, which is good news. The figures for the past quarter in Glasgow show an encouraging increase. That level of take-up is not reflected in all health board areas: in Highland, Shetland and the Western Isles, the figure remains below 90 per cent. We are discussing with health boards local measures that might improve take-up rates.

Mrs Scanlon asked about research into a link between MMR vaccination and autism. There has been press coverage of fears relating to that link recently. Relevant research has already been carried out. An epidemiological study in England in 1999 failed to identify a sudden increase in the incidence of autism following the introduction of the MMR vaccine. Nevertheless, the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation keeps the area under constant review and the chief scientist's office in the Executive would consider funding any well-constructed proposals for further research.

We continue to produce, through the Health Education Board for Scotland, leaflets to reassure parents that hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccination have been used all over the world and that the vaccine has an excellent safety record.

Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):

Given that the concerns of many parents about the MMR vaccination relate to the risks that are associated with the combination of vaccines that is given in that jag, does the Executive have any plans to offer separate vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella on request, to increase take-up and allay such parental concerns?

Iain Gray:

The suggestion that delivering a three-component vaccine separately is safer has been made without any supporting scientific evidence. It has been recommended neither by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation nor by the World Health Organisation. None of the vaccine manufacturers has applied to the Medicines Control Agency for a licence to produce single mumps or measles vaccines. We fear that administering the three parts of the vaccination separately would mean that some children would miss one or two of the injections or would be exposed to infection while waiting for their second or third injections.

We have no plans to offer separate vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella on request at the moment. However, I will take this opportunity to emphasise the fact that we view this as an important matter, which we will keep under review. It is important that we never forget how serious the diseases of mumps, measles and rubella are. They cause death, disability and severe illness. We will do whatever we can to increase the take-up of the vaccine to the 95 per cent level.


Witness Protection Programme (Strathclyde)

To ask the Scottish Executive what plans it has to continue funding the Strathclyde police witness protection programme from 1 April 2000. (S1O-1252)

We are currently considering the further funding of the Strathclyde police witness protection programme.

Karen Whitefield:

Does the minister agree that the work that the Strathclyde police witness protection programme does across Scotland is instrumental in encouraging witnesses to come forward when they have witnessed serious crimes and plays an important part in increasing convictions of some of Scotland's most dangerous criminals?

Mr Wallace:

I can confirm that research on the effectiveness of the programme has been encouraging. It seems that there is a need for such a dedicated unit and I pay tribute to those that have been involved during the three years in which funding has been made available. They have made an important contribution towards obtaining convictions for serious crimes in Scotland.


Ferry Services

To ask the Scottish Executive what action it is taking to ensure the future of the Campbeltown–Ballycastle route. (S1O-1257)

The Scottish Executive has worked with the Scotland Office and project sponsors to develop a package of support which goes as far as possible within legal constraints. That package may be available to other operators.

George Lyon:

Is the minister aware of the anger in the local community, as expressed at a meeting in Campbeltown on Monday, about Sea Containers' decision to pull out?

Looking to the longer term, I ask for an assurance that everything possible will be done to ensure that a case is taken to Brussels for implementation of a public service order that would guarantee the long-term future of the Campbeltown-Ballycastle route and ensure that there is an operator who is willing to take it on and work to make it commercially viable.

Sarah Boyack:

I am grateful to George Lyon for reminding me of the concern that I know exists in the local community. We are keen to establish the opportunity for a public service order on this route. I understand that the Scotland Office and the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions are actively considering that possibility. Great interest has been shown by the sponsors of this route and much energy is being invested in trying to resolve this issue.

Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):

If the minister is indeed aware of the deep concern and anger of the people of Campbeltown about the last private operator who pulled out without giving the service a chance, will she give us a commitment today that the publicly owned and run Caledonian MacBrayne will be considered for that route? Is she aware of the view of at least one of the private sector operators that might take over the route that the option of CalMac taking over would be the right one, as

"Caledonian MacBrayne are the best suited to run this route"?

Will she take that on board, along with the fears of the people of Campbeltown, and give us a commitment that CalMac will be considered?

Sarah Boyack:

It would be open to CalMac to consider the route if it wanted to. It is not a lifeline service, so it would not be covered by the sponsorship of the Scottish Executive. However, out of a range of options for route operators, CalMac is clearly one that could be considered.


World Cup 2010

14. Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will support the Education, Culture and Sport Committee in calling for the Scottish Football Association to explore the feasibility of the 2010 world cup being hosted by the Celtic nations of the British Isles. (S1O-1263)

The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith):

As Mr Monteith is aware, the Scottish Football Association has already stated that it does not support that proposal which, in any event, is ineligible under existing FIFA rules. Under those circumstances, I would find it difficult to support it.

Mr Monteith:

I am sad that the minister cannot agree with me and with other members of the committee. Is he aware that the world cup in Kyoto, Japan, in 2002 is a joint bid, and that the European nations tournament in 2000 is a joint tournament, hosted between the Netherlands and Belgium? Does he agree that the likeliest prospect of Scotland ever holding a world cup—or a European nations cup—would be through a joint bid, and that that option should be explored? Does he further agree that FIFA's attitude might be changed if those joint tournaments are successful?

Mr Galbraith:

Once again, I have to point out to Mr Monteith that the Japanese/South Korean bid was not a joint bid: there were two separate bids. FIFA could not decide which country to give it to, jointly awarded it to both, then bitterly regretted its decision and determined never to let that happen again.

Andrew Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP):

Although FIFA makes such an approach ineligible, Union of European Football Associations tournament sponsors certainly do not. In recognising that the Sweden '92 facilities were far inferior to those that we enjoy in Scotland—let alone those that might be shared between Ireland, Wales and Scotland—would the minister consider that a European sponsorship by this Government, promoted in the interests of Scotland, Wales and Ireland, would talk up the interests of Scotland rather than make us more small-minded, which we risk at present?

Mr Galbraith:

I will not respond to the usual accusation from Andrew Wilson of talking down Scotland. UEFA is not FIFA. To fulfil FIFA rules, a bid must come from one country. The very idea of combining a bid with another country threatens Scotland's unique position as an individual football nation, which is what Andrew Wilson is advocating.


Organised Counterfeiting

15. Nick Johnston (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

To ask the Scottish Executive what incentives are in place to encourage members of the public to report organised counterfeit groups to the relevant enforcement authorities and, if there is none, whether it intends to introduce such incentives. (S1O-1267)

Measures are in place to encourage members of the public to report all forms of crime through the Crimestoppers freephone facility that is supported by all Scottish police forces. In certain circumstances, cash rewards are provided.

Nick Johnston:

Is the minister aware that trade in counterfeit goods costs the Scottish economy around £200 million a year? Is he aware that counterfeiting is putting additional burdens on Scottish manufacturers, especially in the areas of sportswear and computer software? Does he agree that Executive policies that have resulted in 450 fewer police officers today than under the Conservative Government have hampered the fight against counterfeiting?

Mr Wallace:

I do not accept the final part of Mr Johnston's question, but I recognise that counterfeiting across a range of goods is a serious threat to a number of manufacturing industries. People should recognise that such piracy is wrong, and I am sure that Mr Johnston agrees that whenever members of the public come across it, they should fulfil their civic duty and report it to the police.


Science Strategy

To ask the Scottish Executive what progress is being made in developing a science strategy for Scotland. (S1O-1264)

The Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Henry McLeish):

Last September, I invited a group of distinguished scientists to join a science strategy review group, with a remit to provide advice on the development of a science strategy for Scotland. As a first step towards developing a strategy, I asked them to identify the key questions and the additional mechanisms necessary to implement a science strategy in Scotland. The report of their recommendations is currently being finalised and I expect to receive it shortly.

Dr Murray:

I thank the minister. Is he aware that, although there have been recent developments in the commercialisation of scientific research, there remain barriers such as funding and assessment procedures that make undertaking research by universities and research institutes that can be used for commercial purposes more difficult? Has he discussed those issues with members of the scientific community?

Henry McLeish:

I welcome Elaine Murray's active interest in such matters. Parliament appreciates that science and technology play a tremendous role in innovation; innovation in turn plays a tremendous role in the knowledge economy; and it in turn plays a tremendous part in developing the Scottish economy. We have taken positive steps to encourage commercialisation. We are introducing the Scottish Enterprise proof of concept fund, which will inject £11 million into commercialisation. We are working with the Scottish Higher Education Funding Council to take many ideas forward. It recently issued two consultation papers that are about accelerating commercialisation and developing our science base. I think everyone here will agree that that is vital to the development of the Scottish economy.

As part of the science strategy, would the Executive be prepared to consider establishing a world research centre on the environment and pollution?

Henry McLeish:

We are looking at possible centres of excellence in a number of areas, such as aerospace and marine engineering, and at a centre of engineering excellence at Rosyth. We are considering developing with an American university a centre of excellence in business studies at Gleneagles. Chip design and manufacturing is being looked at in Livingston through Project Alba, with Cadence Design Systems. We are willing to consider any ideas; if Mr Young would like to write to me, we can consider his idea.


Genetically Modified Food

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it has any plans regarding genetically modified food. (S1O-1286)

The Minister for Rural Affairs (Ross Finnie):

The Executive's policy is that the protection of public health is paramount in relation to GM foods. The vigorous regulatory regime in place is designed to achieve that. A further central element of the policy is real consumer choice through strict labelling of GM foods. We are keen that there should be intelligent, informed public debate on the science and we welcome this week the congress organised by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

I thank the minister for his answer and I am glad that he agrees that public safety should be of the utmost concern. Will he outline the role that the biotechnology sector will play?

Ross Finnie:

It is a question of balance. We have a highly developed biotechnology sector in Scotland, which could make an important contribution to the development of the science. However, in no way can we allow the regulatory regime, which is so important and underpins the precautionary principles as set out in the European directives, to be overtaken by such a contribution.

Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP):

Given the UK Government's position that farm-scale trials are necessary to determine the environmental effects of growing GM crops commercially, will the minister accede to the request of Friends of the Earth and others and undertake not to add T25 maize or any other herbicide-tolerant GM variety to the national seed list until trials have been completed and their results properly assessed and until this Parliament has had an opportunity fully to debate the commercial growing of GM crops?

Ross Finnie:

As I said in my first answer, the Scottish Executive wholly endorses the precautionary principle that underpins the European regulatory framework on GM foods. Therefore, we think that trials are necessary. We also think that the results of trials should be properly evaluated and that at every stage there should be clear scientific advice on how to proceed. On the question of adding seeds and so on to national or other lists, there is no chance that the Executive will agree to any breach of the regulatory framework.