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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, September 16, 2010


Contents


Scottish Executive Question Time


Europe, External Affairs and Culture


Tourism Promotion



1. To ask the Scottish Executive what steps have been taken by the Minister for Culture and External Affairs to promote Scottish tourism in continental Europe. (S3O-11313)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

Raising Scotland’s profile at home and abroad, including promoting the many and varied opportunities for visitors to come to Scotland, is something that my ministerial colleagues and I seek to do wherever possible. Indeed, my very first engagement in this portfolio was to host an event during last year’s Scotland week in Brussels promoting to key cultural figures in Europe the Edinburgh festivals and Scotland as a major tourism destination.

In January, I hosted a consular corps dinner at Edinburgh castle that was designed to promote Scotland’s distinctive global identity as well as its unique and varied tourism offering. Just recently, I participated in an event with the consular corps and Festivals Edinburgh to promote the many tourism and culture opportunities that will exist in Scotland around the 2012 Olympic games, the 2014 year of homecoming, the Commonwealth games and the Ryder cup.

Alison McInnes

Although foreign visitors made 17 per cent of the total number of trips to Scotland in 2008, they accounted for 31 per cent of expenditure in the market. As good direct transport links are essential in growing that market, does the minister, like me, regret the loss of the only direct ferry route between mainland Europe and Scotland so soon after its relaunch? VisitScotland has said that it is continuing to work in partnership with operators to ensure optimum capacity utilisation and to exploit the promotional opportunities of new route launches. What exactly has been done over the past year to promote Scottish tourism in the Netherlands and Belgium and to bolster the new ferry operator’s chances of success?

Fiona Hyslop

Obviously, responsibility lies with Jim Mather for tourism and with Stewart Stevenson for transport, but I can say that there was a great deal of activity to promote the ferry service. During our visit to Europe in December, the First Minister and I were looking to promote opportunities with Governments on the continent to support the service, but it is regrettable—although, given market conditions, understandable—that there was only so much that we could do. We have been very vigilant with regard to opportunities and extremely dedicated in turning our attention to more direct links such as the very successful Inverness to Düsseldorf route to ensure that we have more connections with continental Europe.


Volcanic Ash (Compensation)

Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD)



2. To ask the Scottish Executive what discussions the Minister for Culture and External Affairs has had with the United Kingdom Government with a view to ensuring that Scottish travellers affected by the volcanic ash emissions earlier this year receive the compensation due to them from airlines. (S3O-11317)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

Scottish ministers and officials worked closely with the UK Government to monitor the volcanic ash crisis and to mitigate the impact on travellers. We encouraged all individuals and families to press for their full rights in respect of both cancelled travel arrangements and additional accommodation and living expenses.

Mike Rumbles

As the minister might know, I have been contacted about this issue by several constituents, one of whom is due nearly £400 but has had his attempts to claim back his money stonewalled by KLM. Will the Scottish Government step in and try to assist Scottish citizens by pressing the UK Government to do what it can to help?

Fiona Hyslop

I understand that there are particular issues with KLM, which, in paying out only one day and one night’s worth of expenses even though some passengers experienced longer delays, has argued that European Union transport ministers are still discussing the issue of compensation resulting from the ash cloud. We have no knowledge of such discussions, but the compensation requirements are clear and the travellers’ complaints are being dealt with by the Air Transport Users Council. Although this is clearly a matter for the UK Government, I am sure that the Scottish Government can make representations through Stewart Stevenson and others, as it did throughout the whole volcanic ash cloud period, to ensure that, where appropriate, compensation is given to travellers who experienced difficulties at that time.


National Trust for Scotland



3. To ask the Scottish Executive what progress has been made toward modernising the National Trust for Scotland. (S3O-11333)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

On 9 August 2010, George Reid published “Fit for Purpose: Report of the Strategic Review of the National Trust for Scotland”. The Scottish Government welcomes the report and hopes that it will be a catalyst for change to help the trust to modernise and equip itself to move forward in its important role. The recommendations, particularly those relating to the trust’s governance, will be considered by the members at next week’s annual general meeting.

Rob Gibson

I thank the minister for her update and I note the progress on George Reid’s report. One issue that has been raised is increasing the number of people who visit trust properties. Can we be assured that cross-ticketing between Historic Scotland and the National Trust for Scotland will apply and will be widely advertised?

Fiona Hyslop

The NTS and Historic Scotland discuss the joint ticketing arrangement regularly. It is not without its challenges. It is clear that cross-ticketing is of great benefit to customers and visitors, but the concern of the NTS and Historic Scotland is that income is not lost to all the partners that are involved. The homecoming pass is being extended for three years and its sales are being limited to key channels such as tour operators and other travel traders, to allow us to test the market further and assess the financial impact for the partners. Joint ticketing is also in place at Fort George and Culloden battlefield and at Threave castle and Threave house and gardens. Work continues to consider the opportunities for more local cross-ticketing, but it is important to get the finances correct. We can expand and improve the offer to customers and grow visitor numbers, but we must also ensure a regular income stream, which is vital to support the preservation, conservation and promotion of historic sites.

Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)

As the minister knows, the National Trust for Scotland’s major role is to conserve the best of Scotland’s built heritage. Against that background, is it appropriate that the trust should use £5 million of its scarce financial resources to speculate on the development of warehouses in Bradford, Yorkshire?

That is probably a supplementary—just.

Fiona Hyslop

I have responsibility for many matters, and I am taking questions today on transport, tourism, volcanic ash and many other issues, but I must respect the National Trust for Scotland’s independence. Ted Brocklebank can give his view on whether the investment was appropriate. The trust must exercise stewardship and invest for the wellbeing and conservation of the properties that have been left in trust to it. Such a matter is for the trust. If Ted Brocklebank has concerns about that investment, he should approach the trust’s board and management.

Question 4 has been withdrawn.


Joint Ministerial Committee



5. To ask the Scottish Government when the next meeting of the joint ministerial committee will take place and what issues will be discussed. (S3O-11348)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

The joint ministerial committee is scheduled to meet next on 18 October in its JMC Europe format. The meeting is expected to cover a range of issues that relate to business at the forthcoming Council of Ministers and to deal with wider co-ordination between the United Kingdom Government and devolved Administrations on European Union matters.

At the next meeting in October, will the minister raise the subject of the £185 million fossil fuel levy, which is important to Scotland? If that was returned, it could safeguard up to 20,000 jobs in Scotland.

Fiona Hyslop

We believe that the ability to apply the fossil fuel levy funding should be passed to the Scottish Government. We continually press for that. At the finance ministers’ quadrilateral meeting in July, John Swinney pursued the issue, which needs to be resolved. That money could be used as a key part of investment in Scotland’s infrastructure. I will pursue the subject with ministers at any opportunity that I have.

Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab)

The minister knows of the extra MEP position that has been allocated to the United Kingdom, following the agreement of the Treaty of Lisbon. At the next JMC meeting, will she support the European and External Relations Committee’s view—I copied her into a letter on it—that, given the geographic, rural and other circumstances that Scottish MEPs face, there is a strong case for the additional UK MEP position to come to Scotland?

Fiona Hyslop

I would be pleased to do that. It is important to take a cross-party approach to the matter. Given Scotland’s geography and interests—particularly in key issues such as energy, fishing, growth areas and common agricultural policy reform—it is clear that an additional voice would be important. I am more than happy to support that case.


Music (Fife)



6. To ask the Scottish Executive what steps it is taking to promote music in Fife. (S3O-11352)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

The Scottish Government supports the cultural sector through working with Creative Scotland, particularly through the youth music initiative, and Scotland’s national performing companies, and supporting the work of higher and further education institutions. In addition, the Scottish Government provides funding for local cultural services through the local government finance settlement.

Claire Baker

Will the minister join me in recognising the launch of Scottish Power’s second powerful performance competition, which encourages young people to celebrate their traditional musical heritage and gives them the opportunity to perform at the Celtic Connections festival? Does she share my concern that the 25 per cent cut that has been made to music tuition in Fife schools, and the uncertainty that remains over the proposal for a further 25 per cent cut, will deeply damage the ability of young people, particularly those from poorer backgrounds, to develop their talent and to take part in exciting opportunities such as that competition?

Fiona Hyslop

The member will be aware that the Scottish budget is fixed. We want to grow Scotland’s income through fiscal responsibility but, until such time as we have those powers, we are reliant on the block grant from Westminster. Therefore, the cuts that are coming, which we think are too deep and too quick, will have an impact throughout the area. Fife’s cultural excellence, which was referred to the last time this issue was raised—by Marilyn Livingstone—is to be celebrated. Fife has invested greatly over the piece in music.

I take the opportunity to put on record my thanks to the many young people who have just paraded along Princes Street, showcasing to the world the traditional talents of Scotland in piping. One of the bands that were involved was Lochgelly high school pipe band. All the bands that took part deserve congratulations but, as that one is from Fife, this is an opportunity for me to pay tribute to it, as I do to all the other bands that took part.


Architecture



7. I declare an interest as an honorary fellow of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland.

To ask the Scottish Government how it supports architecture. (S3O-11330)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

Funding for architecture in the current financial year is more than £2.6 million, which includes support for initiatives on sustainable development, health care, school estates, regeneration and improving skills. We are driving forward change on the ground by way of policy initiatives to raise standards of design such as the designing streets initiative. Through the Scottish sustainable communities initiative and its related design workshops—the charrette series—we promote innovative sustainable development by way of practical exemplar schemes. Through partnership, we have helped to deliver the recent highly successful housing expo in Inverness, which attracted more than 30,000 visitors. Further, we promote high quality in Scottish architecture by providing annual support to the RIAS Doolan award for best building in Scotland.

Linda Fabiani

I thank the minister for that detailed answer. Does she accept that the value of architecture to our economy and culture is often understated? Does she agree that we should, wherever possible, ensure fair representation of Scottish architectural practices in contributing to our built environment and in genuine place making?

Fiona Hyslop

Scotland has much to be proud of in its architecture. It is important for all members to celebrate and promote the architecture. I see that some Conservative members are pointing to the wonders of the Parliament building, which is a great advert for Scotland’s architecture and a renowned and great attraction for many visitors who come to Scotland. We promote and support projects that support high-quality buildings and places. Current examples of that include our support for the Saltire Society housing design awards, which I presented on Monday; the Scottish sustainable communities initiative; the housing expo, which I visited on 17 August; and the Doolan award, the ceremony for which I will speak at on 19 November.


Edinburgh Festivals (Marketing)



8. To ask the Scottish Government how it is developing its marketing strategy to increase awareness of the Edinburgh festivals in mainland Europe. (S3O-11341)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

The Scottish Government is continually developing its marketing strategy to increase awareness of cultural activities, including the Edinburgh festivals. Alongside that, we have invested £750,000 over three years through the Edinburgh festivals expo fund for the strategic promotion of the festivals and their programmes. That has also supported the delivery of a joint festivals marketing plan.

I mentioned earlier that I have taken the opportunity to promote the Edinburgh festivals during my visits to Brussels. I was also involved in an event on 11 August with Festivals Edinburgh that brought together the consular corps and key policy officials from across Scotland. The event offered a platform to set out the Scottish Government’s overarching vision for culture, with a focus on building activity, excitement and connections as we look towards inspiring and enthusing others to engage with the opportunities that are presented by the Olympic games in 2012 and the Commonwealth games in 2014.

To what extent are the Edinburgh festivals promoted through European cultural institutes and associations based in Scotland? Will the minister consider further promotion through that avenue?

Fiona Hyslop

That is an important point. Indeed, at the event in the summer that we held for the consular corps with Festivals Edinburgh, the Italians in particular talked about using their cultural institute to promote the cultural opportunities that we have on offer with the festivals. I was delighted to open the “Scotland and Rome” exhibition at the Royal Scottish Academy this week with the Italian consulate general, celebrating some of the wonderful archives and paintings that we have. I recommend the exhibition at the RSA to those who have not seen it.

Not only do we have to promote the festivals while they are on but our cultural institutes are important in the lead-up to them, working on cross-opportunities with other countries both to promote the best talent that we have and, importantly, to showcase the best talent from around the world. The festivals are a platform in which the media opportunities are immense for getting people from around the world to recognise the talents that we have.


British Summer Time



9. To ask the Scottish Executive whether the Minister for Culture and External Affairs has made representations to the United Kingdom Government with regard to changing British summer time. (S3O-11294)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

I have not written to the UK Government but the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment wrote to the UK Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs on 8 September to express his concerns that the UK Government is giving consideration to proposals to introduce daylight saving measures.

Margaret Mitchell

Will the minister follow up and make representations on her part to the UK Government, given the concerns that my Central Scotland constituents have raised with me about the adverse impacts of such a change on road safety and the safety of children walking to school and about the damaging effects that a change would have on Scottish businesses, particularly those in the agriculture sector?

Fiona Hyslop

I am more than happy to do so, but I also point out that the proposal has arisen as a result of a private member’s bill by Rebecca Harris, who is a Conservative MP. The bill had its first reading in the UK Parliament in June. As much as the Scottish Government can make its representations, there are cases that can be made within the Conservative party to ensure that the member’s colleagues at Westminster are fully aware of the concerns, which I think are shared across the parties in Scotland, about the proposal.


Games Sector (Dundee)



10. To ask the Scottish Government what action it has taken since 2007 to support the development of the computer games sector in Dundee. (S3O-11346)

The Minister for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)

The Government is committed to supporting the games industry in Scotland, including in Dundee. Support for the sector that has been introduced since 2007 includes our £3 million investment in the centre of excellence for games development education at the University of Abertay Dundee, which was announced in February 2009, and the creation of the digital media intellectual property fund, which is managed by Creative Scotland. In the past 14 months, that fund has invested £1.4 million in digital media companies.

Maureen Watt

The computer games industry is of substantial economic significance, particularly to Dundee, but it is currently facing hard times as witnessed by the recent difficulties faced by Realtime Worlds and Cohort Studios. Does the minister believe that the industry’s financial position would be far stronger if the UK Government had not withdrawn planned tax breaks for the industry—tax breaks that for years the Scottish National Party has called for?

Fiona Hyslop

I agree. The UK Government’s decision to withdraw tax breaks for the industry was retrograde and short-sighted, but I put on record my understanding that the games industry in Dundee is robust and has opportunities. I met a number of games companies in Dundee only a few weeks ago, and I know that the talent and opportunities in a fast-moving and innovative market are very important. We were pleased to provide support through our Creative Scotland innovation fund, helping companies through the recession, to a number of computer games companies in Dundee. One of them is working with Channel 4 to provide an innovative product.

Much as there have been difficulties in Dundee, we should not underestimate the talent and abilities of the games industry, which mean that it will not only survive but grow effectively. However, it can be maximised and supported fully only if we have the tax breaks. Clearly, if we had the financial powers in this Parliament, it would be a decision that the Government could take to support the games industry in Dundee and elsewhere in Scotland.


Education and Lifelong Learning

Question 1 was not lodged.


“Education at a Glance 2010”



2. To ask the Scottish Government what its response is to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development report, “Education at a Glance 2010”. (S3O-11336)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

We have welcomed the OECD report, which shows that Scotland remains an attractive place for teachers to work. The report confirms what we already knew: Scottish teachers are hard working. The salaries and working conditions of teachers in Scotland remain highly competitive.

How will the results that have been published in “Education at a Glance 2010” be used to inform the Scottish Government’s development of education delivery, in the context of comparators with other nations that are listed in the report?

Michael Russell

International comparisons are always useful. They help us to examine good practice elsewhere and to benchmark what we are endeavouring to do. For example, after 15 years’ experience teachers in lower secondary education in Scotland have the eighth highest salaries out of 28—their salaries are higher than those in Australia, England, Finland and New Zealand. Teacher salary per hour of net contact teaching is slightly below the OECD average, but the ratio of salary to gross domestic product per capita is above the OECD average.

Teachers are well rewarded in Scotland, but of course they are well qualified and they work exceptionally hard. In the context of the difficulties that we have we should consider the issue constructively, rather than in the rather cack-handed way in which the leader of Glasgow City Council tried to consider it a couple of weeks ago on the front page of The Herald.


Schools (Staffing)

Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con)



3. To ask the Scottish Executive how many working days were lost in each of the past five years due to school staff being granted authorised absence from normal duties to undertake trade union-related activities and what the cost was to the taxpayer. (S3O-11296)

The information requested is not held centrally.

Alex Johnstone

Can the minister believe that I can help him out? My colleague Elizabeth Smith made freedom of information requests to our 32 local authorities and received 18 detailed responses, which indicated that in the year to the end of March 2010, 2,418 days were given over to trade union activity, at a cost of £364,000. Those are the figures for only 18 local authorities, so it is easy to assume that a significantly larger—

Now that we have the answer to the first question, can we have your next question, please?

Alex Johnstone

Trade unions have an important role to play in protecting workers, but does the minister agree that in a time of severe financial pressure it might be thought that the millions of pounds that are being spent on union representatives’ days off could be spent on increasing the number of teachers or educational start-ups?

Adam Ingram

It is unfortunate that the Tories seem to be resorting to old-style union bashing. Like all employers, local authorities have a statutory duty to provide reasonable time off—paid and unpaid—for trade union activity. It is clear that there needs to be a balance between reasonable time off and disruption to classrooms, but no local authority has approached the Scottish Government on the issue.

I refute the suggestion that time spent on trade union activity is “lost”, as the member said. Employer relations with teacher trade unions are important to stability in the education system.

Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP)

Given the positive but significant changes that school staff are experiencing during the roll-out of the curriculum for excellence and the new national qualifications framework, does the minister agree that the Parliament should support our teaching unions throughout the period, including the provision of appropriate paid time off work for union officials?

Adam Ingram

I agree with Dr McKee and value highly the contribution that teacher trade unions make to wider education reform. With the curriculum for excellence well under way, it is important that we continue to engage with teacher organisations, both locally and nationally, to ensure successful implementation.


Rural Schools



4. To ask the Scottish Executive how it will safeguard the future of rural schools. (S3O-11300)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010, which was introduced by the Government and supported unanimously by Parliament, establishes a presumption against the closure of rural schools by ensuring that a decision by a local authority to consult on a closure proposal is only one of last resort.

Jamie McGrigor

The cabinet secretary may be aware of the campaign in the first session of the Scottish Parliament, which I supported, to save six rural primary schools in Argyll and Bute, such as the successful and popular Drumlemble primary school near Campbeltown, which I recently visited with Annabel Goldie and which, I am glad to say, is still thriving. Given the importance of rural primary schools in both providing good-quality, accessible education and helping to sustain fragile rural communities, what specific assurances can he give about the action that ministers will take to prevent the closure of threatened rural schools when local authorities are facing such challenging financial circumstances?

Michael Russell

I have already answered that question—the Government introduced legislation specifically to tackle the activity to which the member refers. It establishes a presumption against the closure of rural schools by ensuring that a decision by a local authority to consult on a closure proposal is only one of last resort.

The 2010 act has belt and braces. It means that the consultation process must be fully open and transparent and that there must be an educational justification for closure proposals; Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Education is involved in that regard. There is a process that allows local communities to ask for the decision to be called in, should there be doubts about the consultative process.

I well remember the campaign to which the member refers, as I was part of it. Regrettably, although a number of schools were kept open, my wife’s school was not, so I know what effect closures of rural schools have. We are trying to ensure that everyone is treated fairly and transparently. I accept that we are in a time of great financial difficulty, but rural schools are important to the fabric of Scotland and very important to local communities. We are working hard to ensure that they continue to be so.

Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab)

I find it difficult to understand the conundrum that the cabinet secretary is posing to Argyll and Bute Council. The council has announced that a substantial number of school closures are inevitable due to the squeeze that the Scottish Government is placing on its finances, but the cabinet secretary has just said that there is a presumption against closure of rural schools for any financial consideration. How will he advise Argyll and Bute Council to resolve the dilemma that the Government has imposed on it?

Michael Russell

I will give a number of pieces of advice. The first, which is directed to the people of Scotland generally, is never to vote Labour again because of the mess that it makes of the public finances. These are not Scottish National Party financial reductions—they are a result of the absolute carnage that was wreaked on the public finances by a Labour Government. That Government proposed more than two thirds of the cuts that are now coming through from south of the border. [Interruption.] Facts are chiels that winna ding—the Labour Party does not like to hear the truth, but it will hear it from me. The reality is that two thirds of the proposals for financial restrictions that are coming from Westminster were proposed by Labour. The remaining third are coming courtesy of the Liberal Democrats, who have become convinced of the wisdom of Tory cutting. That has something to do with the fact that they got ministerial positions, too.

Every local authority is facing incredibly difficult decisions. The Government is working hard with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and individual authorities to confront that situation. Authorities are receiving no help at all from Mr McNulty and his colleagues, who simply cannot accept the reality of the mess in which they and their party have landed Scotland. Over the next few months, the reality of that mess will become apparent and the blame will go where it deserves to go—to Mr McNulty and his colleagues. Ms Karen Whitefield is gesturing, but she is to blame, along with others. So, of course, are the Tories.


Colleges (Apprenticeships)



5. To ask the Scottish Executive what support it is giving to colleges to establish wind-turbine technician apprenticeship courses. (S3O-11322)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

Decisions on the funding of individual colleges are a matter for the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council. Colleges are expected to prioritise their resources in a way that best meets the needs of local communities and businesses.

Jim Tolson

Following last week’s First Minister’s questions, it would seem that the answer is “none”.

Does the minister realise that failure fully to fund those four-year apprenticeships now would be hypocritical of a Government that talks the talk on renewables but simply will not deliver, and that vital training and subsequent jobs for the industry will be lost to Scotland, possibly forever?

Michael Russell

I tell Mr Tolson that the first rule of politics is, “When in a hole, stop digging.” Mr Tavish Scott got himself into a considerable hole last week with a wholly nonsensical question.

Siemens has been working for the past year with a range of partners to develop a wind-turbine technician modern apprenticeship. That programme recently commenced and is being run in collaboration with Carnegie College; 16 apprentice places are being provided in the first year, 12 of which are held by employees of Siemens.

Earlier this year, a funding gap emerged when the college revealed that it did not have sufficient funded places left for this year. Scottish National Party-controlled Fife Council stepped in to fill that gap so that the first year of the programme could go ahead. Lorraine Hubbard of Siemens wrote to Jim Brown of energy and utility skills, who was on a part-time secondment to the Scottish Government at the time, in his capacity as chair of the forum for renewable energy development in Scotland skills sub-group. She copied that correspondence to Catherine Stihler, John Park and Jim Tolson. On the back of her correspondence, a meeting was held between Hugh McAloon, the Government’s deputy director of skills, and Ms Hubbard. After that meeting, Ms Hubbard indicated that she was content with the approach that was being taken, and she has reiterated that she was happy with the outcome of the meeting.

In other words, constructive discussion has taken place in order to progress the issue. We have done something; we have not simply misrepresented and moaned, which is the Liberal Democrat position.

Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP)

I know that the minister is aware of the new jobs that have been created in the Dalzell steel works in Motherwell, which is in my area, and at Clydebridge in Cambuslang, which is represented by my colleague Sandra White. There are high hopes for growth in the renewables sector and a projected increase in the demand for strengthened tempered steel for wind turbines. Will the minister work with both companies, and with Skills Development Scotland, to ensure that appropriate support, including apprenticeships, is provided to assist future expansion in our steel industry?

Michael Russell

Absolutely. We work very closely with private industry, Skills Development Scotland and many others to ensure that the maximum help is given in such circumstances. That is the hallmark of this Government—to take constructive action and to keep things moving. It will remain our hallmark not just for the rest of our first term, but as we go into our second in government.

John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)

I appreciate the minister’s answer to the initial question. I was lucky enough to be at the opening of the Whitlock centre at Carnegie College in Rosyth yesterday, where I saw at first hand the fantastic work that will be done there.

I want to make a point on behalf of people who are already in work or who are over 20 and who have come out of work who require to move into adult apprenticeships. The Scottish Government has moved away from its policy in some areas. How does the minister reconcile the present position with that policy? I stress that although it is important that we focus on ensuring that school leavers have apprenticeship opportunities, we must also focus on providing apprenticeships for people who are already in work or who are over 20 and who are looking for employment.

Michael Russell

I thank Mr Park for that helpful question. It is absolutely true that although we have prioritised younger people, we must consider people who are in work and older people. When I was in the Western Isles recently, representations were made to me about the particular needs that exist there with regard to modern apprenticeships for older workers. We are working on that with the help of European money. We will continue to do so, and I will be happy to continue to engage with Mr Park on that issue.


Educational Achievement



6. To ask the Scottish Executive what measures it is taking to reduce the educational achievement gap between children living in poverty and their classmates. (S3O-11311)

The Minister for Children and Early Years (Adam Ingram)

Improving educational outcomes for every child and young person remains a top priority for this Government. The curriculum for excellence, the early years framework and getting it right for every child all provide a personalised and coherent package of learning and support that enables every child and young person to reach their potential, whatever their circumstances.

Our first child poverty strategy will set out the measures that we propose to take to contribute to the United Kingdom target to eradicate child poverty by 2020 and to ensure, as far as possible, that children in Scotland do not experience socioeconomic disadvantage. We will publish our strategy by the end of March 2011.

Jim Hume

The minister should be aware that Save the Children recently published research that revealed that children from wealthier backgrounds performed 60 per cent better in exams than children from poorer backgrounds. The report said:

“There has been no improvement in addressing the achievement gap in recent years.”

The report also said that between 2005 and 2007, some local authorities adopted a policy of targeting resources to tackle the issue. It was reckoned that, as a result of that, about 40 per cent of the children involved improved their national assessment level. When we consider that education is the way out of poverty, it would appear that thousands of children are being denied that escape route.

Can we get to the question, Mr Hume?

Does the minister therefore accept the findings of the Save the Children report, and that the Government’s education policy has failed to break the cycle of underachievement?

Adam Ingram

The attainment gap is not a new phenomenon. It has been highlighted in several reports from the senior chief inspector of Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Education, and it was central to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s report on Scottish education. The question is about not what school someone attends in Scotland but who they are. Socioeconomic background determines people’s ability to take advantage of educational opportunities.

That is why this Government has focused in particular on the early years and early intervention. Experiences in the early years are absolutely critical to child development, and the Government’s early years framework aims to build parental and community capacity to ensure that every child has the best start in life and is ready to take the full benefit from formal schooling.

Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)

I am sure that the minister will agree that inequalities have a long history and that they precede the formation of the Scottish Government in 2007. Will he remain committed—I hope that he will—to reducing class sizes in general, specifically in areas of deprivation, unlike our Labour opponents in councils, who have never been fully committed to lowering class sizes?

Adam Ingram

Yes, I can give Mr Gibson that commitment. He will be well aware that we have asked local authorities to target areas of deprivation through ensuring smaller class sizes and, for example, rolling out our free school meal initiative. All those initiatives are targeted on the fundamental premise that Mr Hume introduced: it is those from disadvantaged backgrounds who are not benefiting as they should from the Scottish education system. We aim to and are addressing those issues.

Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab)

I hope that the Presiding Officer will indulge me briefly by allowing me to ask the Minister for Children and Early Years to join me in welcoming members of North Lanarkshire’s award-winning pipe band to the gallery today. They joined Lochgelly high school’s band in parading through Princes Street.

Does the minister agree that nurturing and supporting some of the most vulnerable young Scots is essential if we are to reduce the gap in educational attainment effectively? Will he therefore congratulate North Lanarkshire Council and Glasgow City Council on their investment in nurture programmes for their youngest and most vulnerable citizens?

Adam Ingram

I am happy to add my congratulations to North Lanarkshire’s pipe band, and to North Lanarkshire Council and Glasgow City Council on the positive and constructive moves that they have made with the introduction of nurture groups. Those groups have been of significant benefit to the children whom they have assisted. The Government seeks to encourage nurture groups to address the economic disadvantage that we have been talking about today.


School Transport



7. To ask the Scottish Executive when it last reviewed its guidance to local authorities on school transport. (S3O-11367)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The Scottish Government regularly reviews its guidance on school transport. In 2007 a new survey—“School Transport: Survey of Good Practice”—was issued, followed in 2009 by “Scotland’s Road Safety Framework to 2020”, which included a number of commitments to improving the safety of children travelling to and from school. We have since commissioned the production of a practical toolkit on school transport safety that will set out what local authorities could and should be doing further to ensure and improve school transport safety.

Elaine Murray

I thank the cabinet secretary for his interesting reply. I realise that the work is still under way, but perhaps he can give some guidance on the importance that local authorities should place on the safety of young people who have to walk to school, particularly in rural areas, where roads can be unlit and the speed limit is often 60mph. How should those considerations be weighed against the application of the 2-mile and 3-mile walking distances?

Michael Russell

There is statutory provision regarding free school transport. In Scotland, authorities have a duty under the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 to

“make such arrangements as they consider necessary”

for the transport between home and school of pupils residing and attending school in their area. In considering those arrangements, authorities are required to

“have regard to the safety of such pupils.”

Therefore, safety is always a paramount consideration.

There is a statutory minimum distance—it is interesting to note that Dumfries and Galloway Council is one of the councils that observes the statutory minimum—of a 2-mile journey for under-eights and, thereafter, a 3-mile journey. However, that does not take precedence over safety. There must be a safety audit of the route to ensure that it is safe.

The member will know that there is often considerable dispute about such safety audits. On a number of occasions, I have encouraged parents and local authorities to negotiate on the issue of how accurate the safety audits should be. Nevertheless, there is a statutory duty to be mindful of safety and a statutory minimum distance. As free-standing and legally responsible bodies, local authorities must reconcile those to ensure that they are doing their best.