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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013


Contents


Portfolio Question Time


Education and Lifelong Learning


College Budget Reductions (North East Scotland)



1. To ask the Scottish Government what assessment it has made of the impact that proposed budget reductions will have on colleges in North East Scotland. (S4O-01679)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The Government’s key consideration has been to fund colleges in a way that allows the sector to continue to maintain student numbers. We are doing so. I welcome the commitment of Aberdeen College and Banff and Buchan College to merge, which will provide even better opportunities to plan the delivery of learning on a regional basis and to identify where there is unnecessary duplication or waste.

Alison McInnes

The latest published figures show that in 2010-11 Banff and Buchan College and Angus College received £823,907 and £333,564 respectively as discrete funding in recognition of their rurality. In response to a Scottish Parliament information centre inquiry on my behalf, the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council has revealed that it is reviewing the funding methodology that is applied to rural colleges. Will the cabinet secretary explain why that is the case, what methodology is being considered and when the revised model will be announced? Will he guarantee that colleges serving rural areas will continue to receive adequate additional funding after regionalisation in respect of rurality and remoteness?

Michael Russell

I expect that the effect of regionalisation will be to enhance the funding of Scotland’s colleges according to need. Indeed, I would be surprised if any member in the chamber was arguing for a funding formula that did not reflect the needs of colleges. My letter of instruction to the Scottish funding council over a long period of time since I have been minister has always stressed the importance of recognising where need exists. I personally have always argued strongly with the funding council and others for recognition of rurality. If those are the key issues that are worrying Alison McInnes, I am happy to set her mind at rest about them. I hope that she is not proposing to spend money that is not required or to reward inefficiency. I am very pleased that the boards of Aberdeen College and Banff and Buchan College have recognised the strength of merger and of what will arise from merger, and the need for regionalisation.

Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)

The cabinet secretary will of course be aware that in the first round of funding discussions a few years back Angus College and Banff and Buchan College faced some of the largest cuts in Scotland. Can he give an assurance that colleges serving rural areas will not be hit again and that they will be treated this time on a level playing field?

Michael Russell

Colleges serving rural areas have always been treated on a level playing field and have been treated supportively. Indeed, I am pleased by the enthusiasm that Angus College, for example, is showing for its merger with Dundee College. I say as gently as I can to the member that the Tories’ new-found enthusiasm for backing college funding is very much at odds both with their record south of the border and with their approach to education, which has been luddite in the extreme in my view.


College Regionalisation



2. To ask the Scottish Government what progress has been made on the plans for college regionalisation. (S4O-01680)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

I think that we are all very pleased with the progress that is being made. A new regional structure for the college sector has now been established. Most colleges have opted to merge, and we anticipate better opportunities to plan the delivery of learning, to the ultimate benefit of the learner, and for significant efficiencies. In the minority of regions where there will continue to be more than one college, we expect the creation of college federations to deliver similar benefits.

Graeme Dey

According to Angus College, Dundee College and it are making excellent progress towards their agreed vesting date of 1 November 2013. To ensure a successful merger, however, the new college will require financial support. The merger partnership board is working on a transition bid for funding, which, if successful, will be supplemented by judicious use of existing reserves. What encouragement can the cabinet secretary offer the colleges that the bid will be looked upon favourably?

Michael Russell

We have always recognised that merging colleges will incur exceptional and transitional costs. Colleges will need support to manage those costs, although they have substantial reserves that can and should be applied in such circumstances. We are providing £15 million to the college transformation fund and, of course, I will look sympathetically and closely at any bid for resources that might be required to support decisions to merge.

Decisions to merge benefit learners in particular, but they also benefit staff. The regionalisation process will lead to a single set of terms and conditions across the sector, and will, in almost all circumstances—and I want to see in all circumstances—mean a guarantee of no compulsory redundancy. That is very valuable and worth a lot to hard-working staff in colleges.

As a supporter of the college sector, I ask the cabinet secretary when it will be possible for him to announce the full costs of the college regionalisation process.

When the process is completed.

Will the cabinet secretary provide an update on colleges that have already merged and their experience of merger?

Michael Russell

I will be glad to do so because there are some very good examples. The principal of the City of Glasgow College has indicated that the college has achieved considerable economies of scale and been able to do things that it would otherwise not have done. I have spoken comparatively recently to the principal of the newly created Edinburgh College, and she told me that it finds itself in a much stronger position and is better able to deliver right across the board for students and learning in this city. Colleges that have previously had experience of merger, such as Forth Valley College, show the great strengths that have emerged from such mergers.

I am glad that we have had the courage and determination to implement the merger programme in consultation with the college sector. It is producing and will produce great benefits.


Educational Attainment (Pupils from the Poorest Backgrounds)



3. To ask the Scottish Government what action it is taking to improve the educational attainment of pupils from the poorest backgrounds. (S4O-01681)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

This is a very important area. Raising the educational attainment of pupils from the poorest backgrounds is a key priority, and curriculum for excellence is the major tool for such improvement. Last year, the raising attainment group, which comprises a number of experienced headteachers, provided me and the wider audience of every teacher in Scotland with expert advice in the area that was based on their successes in raising attainment in their schools. Their evidence, coupled with the work being developed by the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland and Education Scotland, identifies the key actions that are needed to successfully raise the attainment of all children, including the most deprived.

We are delivering the conditions for raising the educational attainment of all young people, including those from the poorest backgrounds, through implementation of the curriculum for excellence and investment in teaching and leadership, which is vital in this area, through the work of the national partnership group.

Neil Findlay

Recent school attainment results show a stark divide between the attainment of pupils in areas of multiple deprivation and those who are in more affluent areas. The cabinet secretary has described some of the wider issues, but will he tell us what practical steps will be taken day to day in schools to address the widening gulf?

Michael Russell

I can do better than that; I can refer the member to the report of the attainment group, and I will be happy to provide him with a copy of it if he has not seen it. It is very simple. It is a series of questions about teaching practice and work within schools, and it seeks to ensure that every teacher is involved in the activity. The difference is made when schools, teachers and leaders in schools recognise that the attainment of pupils from the poorest backgrounds is a key issue and ensure that their school is focused on it.

When we look at the work of a variety of schools in Scotland, we see that, in the words of Avis Glaze, the Ontario educator, “poverty is not destiny”. Some very good schools are servicing areas of multiple deprivation and are making enormous progress. The issue is why other schools in the same area are not doing so, and making sure that best practice in one area can transfer to another area. That was a key issue for the attainment group, which has continued to develop work on that issue. I will also continue to do so through curriculum for excellence and in other ways.


Educational Attainment (Impact of Lead Exposure)



4. To ask the Scottish Government what information it has on the impact on educational attainment of exposure to lead in childhood. (S4O-01682)

The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan)

We are aware of the large body of international evidence that links lead exposure to a number of poor outcomes, including low attainment, but it is not currently possible to use official data to link individual instances of lower attainment with exposure to lead early in childhood.

Patrick Harvie

Given the growing evidence about the connection between exposure to lead in early childhood and educational attainment, as well as a host of other education, health and behaviour issues, is it time that the Government agreed to conduct an assessment of the level of lead contamination of land, in particular in the vicinity of primary schools?

Dr Allan

The member was right to point to studies that cover the effect on, for example criminal behaviour, IQ and learning disability.

A number of measures have been taken over the years to eliminate lead, not just from petrol and the atmosphere but from paint and other items in schools. I am conscious of the need to maintain the purity of water in the school estate. Whenever a complaint is made to Scottish Water about not just schools but other buildings that have lead pipes in them or lead communication pipes to them, action is taken. If the member is concerned that that is not happening in individual schools, I will be more than happy to hear from him about it.


College Waiting Lists (Audit)



5. To ask the Scottish Government when the audit of waiting times for colleges will be published. (S4O-01683)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

An update for members of the Scottish Parliament on the work has been placed in the Scottish Parliament information centre today. It shows that in a large number of cases people who appear on so-called waiting lists are not, in fact, waiting for a course at all, because they have taken up another course, failed to gain the entrance qualification, moved into employment or chosen some other option.

Moreover, a significant number of people appear on more than one waiting list. We are currently verifying final figures with the colleges that are participating in the audit and we will publish the full report shortly.

Drew Smith

I am sure that members look forward to the publication of the figures.

It has been reported in the media that 936 potential students have been turned away from North Glasgow College. Stow College says that it has turned away more than 17,000 potential students in the past three years. Langside College, Anniesland College, the City of Glasgow College and John Wheatley College all say that they could not accommodate requests, and the City of Glasgow College, which the cabinet secretary mentioned in an earlier answer, says that it has had 8,021 applicants on a waiting list in the past year.

When will the Scottish Government be honest and admit that slashing college funding results in fewer opportunities for the people in my city who require a college place?

Michael Russell

I tried to indicate to the member that he should be very careful. I have tried that so often in the Parliament. For example, I made it clear to Mr Findlay in October that the figures need to be treated with great caution. I have said the same thing to Liz Smith, to Liam McArthur and to other Labour members. However, members were determined not to listen, for reasons that are political and have nothing to do with education.

If the member turns to the audit of college waiting lists update for MSPs that is in SPICe, he will learn some interesting facts. For example he will learn that

“Different processes for applications and waiting lists means”—

this is the result of audit and analysis—

“that waiting lists are not comparable between colleges and cannot be aggregated”,

and that

“there is duplication of applicants ... and that the majority of those on a waiting list had in fact enrolled at a college”.

Indeed, paragraph 8 says:

“The analysis also took into account a follow-up survey by one college in the sample. This college contacted every individual on the waiting list to ascertain their continued interest in a place at the college: less than 5% of the original total indicated they remained interested.”

Of course, there is still work to be done—I am not being uncautious about that.

The chart in the update also indicates that, even on an initial analysis, waiting lists were able to be reduced by 72 per cent. One of the conclusions—and further work is required—is that it will be necessary to

“make recommendations for improving the application and waiting list process and overall data handling”

of colleges.

I know how desperate members are to weigh in on this matter because they think that, somehow, they are going to get a political advantage, but I would say to them that they should be very careful. I have said from the beginning that the figures are not reliable, and now we have an audit that says that that is the case.

Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)

Will that new phenomenon in the information technology world, the Mike Russell app, have a calculator feature so that the cabinet secretary can keep abreast of increases in college waiting lists and provide better figures for his boss this year than he did last year?

We know that Mr Findlay’s stock-in-trade is that sort of glib rudeness—[Laughter.]

Order.

Michael Russell

It also fulfils the classic definition of tragedy, which is something that is funny and then is no longer funny.

However, the reality of the situation—as I keep telling Mr Findlay, although he refuses to be warned—is that he has to be extremely careful with his figures, because the figures that he has been quoting are not true.

I never mentioned any figures.

Mr Findlay prefers to shout, he prefers to bawl and he prefers to use those figures. It would be quite useful if one day Mr Findlay learned something about education.

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The cabinet secretary should check the Official Report because, in my question, I never quoted one figure. Perhaps he wishes to correct himself.

I do not think that that is a point of order, Mr Findlay, but you have made your point.


Higher Education (Access)

Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)



6. To ask the Scottish Government what steps it will take to ensure that universities meet their obligations as proposed in the Post-16 Education (Scotland) Bill to widen access to higher education for children from deprived backgrounds. (S4O-01684)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

Our universities are already making progress around widening access. However, most agree that there is scope to do more.

I have been encouraged by the level of engagement that has been shown by universities with the work that has been led by the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council on outcome agreements, which include widening access objectives. On 18 December we announced support for a further 1,020 articulation places, which traditionally appeal to students from poorer backgrounds.

With the proposals that are set out in the Post-16 Education (Scotland) Bill, I am confident that our universities will continue to work with us to deliver a better deal for students from deprived backgrounds.

Jim Eadie

Does the cabinet secretary agree that the requirement for universities to widen access is absolutely vital but is only part of the solution, and that more needs to be done to encourage universities to support, advise and motivate students through guidance, outreach services and greater counselling provision, so that no young person is discouraged from accessing higher education, no matter what their background or where they come from?

Michael Russell

Our universities should widen their doors as far as they will go, but young people need the ambition and the aspiration that are required to walk through them. They also need encouragement—they do not need to be put off. In that regard, I noted some headlines this morning that were provoked by Liam McArthur and which would, essentially, put young people off wanting to go to university. The comments that motivated those headlines were very foolish. If that is liberal democracy, I am glad that it is in its death throes.

The reality is that widening access should be a job that we are all engaged in. We should all be talking strongly about why it is important that young people’s aspirations are as high as possible. We should be working with the National Union of Students and others to ensure that we encourage entrants to university, and we should, of course, be providing students with guidance and support.

Brief questions and answers will allow us to get through more questions.


Student Debt



7. To ask the Scottish Government how it plans to ensure that student debt in Scotland remains the lowest in the United Kingdom. (S4O-01685)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

It is the policy of the Scottish Government that there will be no tuition fees. That has been a major factor in ensuring that, on average, student debt in Scotland is a fraction of that accrued by students elsewhere in these islands. In 2011, the average student loan debt for a Scottish student was £6,480, compared with £17,240 in England.

In addition to student loans that are offered with preferential terms, we also provide bursaries to those from the lowest-income households, which will more than meet our commitment to a minimum income of £7,000.

The new student support package for 2013-14 for Scottish students is generally regarded as the best on offer.

Jamie Hepburn

Given that, since tuition fees were first introduced in 1998, their maximum level has increased by 800 per cent in England and that 69 per cent of those who were on the graduate endowment scheme in Scotland are still paying back their debt, does the cabinet secretary agree that those who advocate tuition fees—either up front or by the back door—as if they would not affect student debt are quite wrong to do so?

Michael Russell

They are absolutely and utterly wrong to do so, and I am pleased that, today, the First Minister raised the issue that a right to a free education might be seen as a basic human right and enshrined in a written constitution for Scotland. That would be a tremendous thing to do. [Laughter.] I cannot understand why two of the Tory members present are laughing at that. To laugh at basic human rights is a very strange thing to do.


Instrumental Music Tuition (Advice to Local Authorities)



8. To ask the Scottish Government what recent advice the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning has given to local authorities regarding charging for instrumental music tuition. (S4O-01686)

The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan)

The Government is setting up an instrumental music group to examine the issues around the provision of instrumental music tuition, including charges applied by local authorities. I am happy to confirm that the group will meet for the first time this month and report its findings by the summer. The Government will continue to take the issue forward in that way.

Iain Gray

The problem with that answer is that, while the instrumental music tuition group meets, East Ayrshire Council is planning to cut 50 per cent from its budget for instrumental music tuition and Clackmannanshire Council is considering a proposal to abolish music tuition in schools altogether. Unless ministers tell councils to sustain those services while they consider how they can be improved, surely the councils’ actions simply make a mockery of ministers’ protestations in the chamber.

Dr Allan

Iain Gray will not be too surprised to hear that I do not agree with his assessment. As I indicated, I have set up a group that will try to bring local authorities to a common position on the matter, on which it will duly report.

Around the country, the position on instrumental music tuition differs from local authority to local authority, but there is an expectation that the group will at least address how to ensure that, as a basic minimum, courses that provide a Scottish Qualifications Authority qualification are not subject to charging. It will also try to ensure that local authorities can agree on a common position.

Iain Gray will be aware that the Government has spent £1 million on providing new instruments for music tuition around the country. I hope that he welcomes that.

Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)

I am grateful to the minister for his comments and note what he says about those who wish to sit an SQA or other qualification in music. Will he make that aspect of the group’s work a priority? At the same time, will he consider whether there are enough instructors in Scotland to ensure that our young people have the access to musical tuition that we would all want?

I am sure that David Green, who convenes the group, will want to consider the availability of instructors as well as the costs. I hope that he will make recommendations on that.


University Marine Biological Station Millport



9. To ask the Scottish Government what recent discussions it has had with the University of London regarding the future of the university marine biological station Millport. (S4O-01687)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The Scottish Government has no formal role in the decisions that the University of London has made about the future of the university marine biological station Millport. However, I have spoken to the vice chancellor of the University of London to emphasise our concern about the impact of the closure decision on the community of Cumbrae, and will meet stakeholders tomorrow.

Kenneth Gibson

I know how hard the cabinet secretary has worked to secure the best possible future for that vital marine research facility. Will he confirm that, at tomorrow morning’s stakeholders meeting and beyond, all avenues will be explored to retain an educational institution that is crucial to marine science and the Cumbrae economy?

Michael Russell

Yes. I pay tribute to the local member, who has worked hard on the matter and has been in regular touch with me. It is not a matter for Neil Findlay or any other Labour member to jeer at. The local member’s work has been, and continues to be, significant.

The Scottish Government recognises the importance of the jobs and the economic benefit that the station provides. I am fully aware of the fact that many academics and students in Scottish universities and schools place the marine station at Millport high on their list of priorities and have used it wisely. Indeed, I have seen the petition about the matter and the work of many people on it.

However, the decision is being made by the University of London and the Higher Education Funding Council for England. The institution is owned by the University of London—it is not in Scottish ownership—and the failure of the owning organisation to make significant investment in its infrastructure is a major feature in the issue.

I am keen to find a solution for Cumbrae, the Scottish academic community and those who use the station, but it will not be easy to do so because of the lack of investment. However, I look forward to tomorrow’s meeting. There will be a good discussion about what is possible and we will move forward from there.

Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)

Does the cabinet secretary agree that what the Millport marine station offers students is unique, because it provides in a compact and ideal location the diverse range of marine environments that is required for the study of marine ecology? I understand that the Scottish Government has invested heavily in the marine station at the Scottish Association for Marine Science at Oban. Does he agree that the facility in Millport should also be protected, because of the diverse environment that it provides for students?

Michael Russell

I do not agree that the Millport station is unique, because I do not think that it is unique, but I agree that it is valuable—one should not be inaccurate. The existence of SAMS at Dunstaffnage is important. There were discussions between the two institutions some years ago that did not result in a final outcome; I know that many people regret that.

The University of the Highlands and Islands is one of the players in the matter. It is regrettable that no Scottish university has stepped forward to say that it wants to take responsibility for the station. However, I am keen for us to have a wide-ranging discussion and to involve the key stakeholders, including the University of London. I will therefore keep my thoughts and my options open, and we will see what transpires.


Further and Higher Education (Participation)



10. To ask the Scottish Government how it encourages young people from poorer backgrounds to participate in further and higher education. (S4O-01688)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

As the member knows, participation is a complex issue that starts in early years and involves working with teachers and parents to encourage ambition. That ambition can then be realised in a system of further and higher education in which access is based on the ability to learn rather than the ability to pay. The Post-16 Education (Scotland) Bill will implement our manifesto commitment to introduce statutory widening access agreements, which will deliver more opportunities for those from poorer backgrounds.

Patricia Ferguson

Will the cabinet secretary outline how he plans to ensure that young people from the worst data zones in Scotland benefit from measures and how measures can be targeted towards them? Will the cut of up to £1,000 per year in student bursaries help or hinder young people in constituencies such as mine who wish to go on to study at college or university?

Michael Russell

It would be utterly perverse to represent the best funding package in these islands as a cut of any sort. Only the Labour Party could do that in the present circumstances—no, perhaps the Tories could do that, too, as they are gifted in such misrepresentation.

This is the best funding package in the whole of these islands. It is supported without reservation by the National Union of Students. It will encourage wider participation, as will the reforms to the college sector and the work that we are doing in higher education. A generous member—I am sure that Patricia Ferguson would want to see herself in that way—would welcome the hard work that is being done and would want to back it rather than cavil about it.


English and Maths (Transition between Primary and Secondary School)



11. To ask the Scottish Government whether the transition between primary and secondary school can contribute to problems for secondary 1 and S2 pupils in English and maths. (S4O-01689)

The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan)

A wide range of factors can cause some young people not to achieve their potential in English and maths following the transition to secondary school. Under curriculum for excellence, reporting across schools is important to ensure well-planned and smooth transitions.

There is a strong focus on building literacy and numeracy across the curriculum. Education Scotland supports authorities and schools with sharing best practice on transitions through a variety of approaches, including seminars and guidance.

Malcolm Chisholm

Is the minister concerned that, while the number of secondary school teachers fell by 7.6 per cent in the last three years for which figures are available, the number of maths teachers fell by 9.1 per cent and the number of English teachers fell by 10.5 per cent, which resulted in larger classes, given that the general secondary population fell by only 2.3 per cent? Does he have any regrets at all about abandoning the previous Administration’s policy of having classes of 20 for English and maths in S1 and S2?

Dr Allan

The member will be aware that the Government makes efforts to ensure that, when subjects have a shortage of teachers, the supply need is met. The Government has stated its view about the ineffectiveness of aspects of the previous Government policy that he mentioned.

It is important to say that literacy and numeracy are embedded in curriculum for excellence and are given very high priority. For instance, the Government does not shy away from the substantial dropping-off in numeracy standards that was shown in the most recent survey of literacy and numeracy, although I should say that that survey was conducted before curriculum for excellence was fully implemented.


Colleges (Access for Disabled People)



12. To ask the Scottish Government who is involved in helping widen access to colleges for disabled people. (S4O-01690)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

As I said in answer to the first question, the Government’s key aim has been to fund the college sector in a way that allows it to maintain student numbers. I am pleased to say that we are doing so, to the benefit of all learners including those who are disabled.

The regional outcome agreements that are developed between the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council and colleges will not only safeguard but promote better educational outcomes for learners with additional needs. I believe that to be a robust approach that will ensure that the interests of that group of learners are met.

James Dornan

A number of cases have been reported in Glasgow, including in my constituency, in which local authority departments have claimed that it is not their responsibility to pay for the personal assistants who are required for students with a physical disability to attend courses at college. That has caused huge worry and concern for those prospective students, who wish to continue with their education. Does the cabinet secretary agree that it is imperative that local authorities work to ensure that access to further education is open to all and is not limited by an unwillingness to provide the support that is necessary for students to attend?

Michael Russell

Yes. Responsibility for a student with a disability can be and often is shared between health, social work and the education provider. It involves medical, living and teaching needs. It is in the interests of the public purse and, vitally, of the student that there is a growing together of those statutory responsibilities and that organisations work together and co-operate in a co-ordinated manner to deliver the best possible service for the person who matters, which is the learner. I would be more than happy to consider any cases in which it is felt that that is not happening and to use my good offices to try to assist.


Young Carers (Support)



13. To ask the Scottish Government how it supports young carers in balancing the demands of schoolwork and caring responsibilities. (S4O-01691)

The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)

We recognise the dedication of young carers and the support that they need. Due to the continued priority that we give to supporting young carers, there is now much more recognition of their needs. That is resulting in greater impetus at the local level to help to ensure identification and support in schools.

The additional support for learning acts place duties on education authorities to identify and meet the additional support needs of all their pupils, including young carers.

We fund the Scottish young carers services alliance to produce the Eryc and Trayc toolkit to equip primary school teachers with the necessary skills and knowledge to identify and support young carers. Work is continuing to support and promote the continuous roll-out of the toolkit. Similarly, resources for secondary schools, also funded by the Scottish Government, will be launched in the next few months.

Claudia Beamish

I thank the minister for that detailed answer. Issues are certainly being taken forward through the Scottish young carers services alliance in relation to support, but there are also headlines in the young carers strategy that recognise the important role of school staff in identifying and supporting young carers, and local authorities’ carers strategies should reflect that. Can the minister tell the Parliament whether there are any plans to monitor those developments during 2013 and check uniformity across local authorities and individual schools? Concern about that has been raised with me.

Aileen Campbell

I know that Claudia Beamish has a real interest in the subject. I met her at the young carers festival in West Linton last year.

As I outlined, we provide support to young carers in a number of areas, but identifying who and where they are is important, too. That is why, for the first time, data has been collected in the census about young carers and their additional support needs.

We have a duty to support young carers and we also want to ensure that that monitoring is in place. That is done through local authorities, with whom we have dialogue, and the Scottish young carers services alliance, which is collecting data through its monitoring of the roll-out of the important Eryc and Trayc toolkit. We need to ensure that we have the relevant data to ensure that we get policies in place that give young carers the support that they need.


Teacher Training (Pupils with Additional Support Needs)



14. To ask the Scottish Government what training is given to teachers to help pupils with additional support needs. (S4O-01692)



The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan)

The teaching standards set by the General Teaching Council for Scotland require teachers to be able to identify and respond appropriately to pupils with difficulties in or barriers to learning. During initial teacher education, student teachers will gain sufficient knowledge of the most common additional support needs for them to be able to support the child in question themselves or, if necessary, to seek specialised information and specialised support. Teachers’ career-long contractual requirement to undertake continuing professional development provides further opportunities for them to augment what they have learned during initial teacher education.

Alex Fergusson

I am grateful for that response and indeed acknowledge and recognise that some progress has been made in this area in recent times. Nonetheless, the evidence overwhelmingly points to the fact that successful detection of learning difficulties in the very earliest years makes the biggest difference to children’s life chances. To that end, is the minister able to tell me what additional resources might be available specifically for nursery and primary 1 teachers?

Dr Allan

The member is right to highlight that early intervention is crucial to ensuring that—to use our own language—we get it right for every child. Indeed, my colleague Aileen Campbell has been busy in that respect.

Schools and local authorities are doing many things on this matter. For example, teachers’ continuing professional development through many means, including the glow web service, is very much about identifying the additional needs that children might have. I return to the fact that element 2.1.4 of the standard for full registration for a teacher stipulates that as a requirement—and, indeed, a requirement that is increasingly understood.

To pick out one example, I note that the identification of dyslexia above many other things—or perhaps I should say alongside many other things—can make an enormous difference and we have launched our dyslexia toolkit to aid its identification at the earliest possible stage.


Language Teaching (One-plus-two Model)



15. To ask the Scottish Government what recent progress has been made in introducing the European Union one-plus-two model of language teaching. (S4O-01693)

The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan)

On 20 November 2012, the Scottish Government published its response to the languages working group report “Language Learning in Scotland: A 1+2 Approach”. We have accepted all of the report’s 35 recommendations, either in full or in part, and are now working with local authorities and other stakeholders to discuss and agree the next steps in taking forward our commitment to a one-plus-two languages policy, building on last year’s successful joint conference with the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland. We are providing funding for 10 pilot projects in primary and secondary schools across Scotland in the current school year to demonstrate how a one-plus-two model might best be delivered and have also earmarked £4 million for languages within funding for developing the Scottish schools curriculum to assist local authorities in taking forward the policy in 2013-14, subject to parliamentary agreement to the budget bill.

Angus MacDonald

I am sure that the minister will join me in welcoming Falkirk Council education services’ support for this new model of language acquisition in Scotland. Indeed, they have now embraced the proposal for foreign language learning from primary 1; at the moment, such learning begins in P6 in most Falkirk district schools. Is the minister able to assure the chamber that, when the EU one-plus-two system is rolled out, Gaelic will be one of the locally available plus-two language options?

I certainly welcome the support that has been shown in Falkirk and evidenced in the local press for the one-plus-two model. As I have done previously, I can indeed confirm that Gaelic will be among the languages included in the project.

Question 16 has not been lodged, but an explanation has been provided.


College Courses (Students with Additional Needs)



17. To ask the Scottish Government what action it is taking to prevent reductions in the availability of college courses for students with additional needs. (S4O-01695)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

This Government’s key aim is to fund the college sector in a way that allows it to maintain all student numbers and access and I am pleased to say that we are doing so to the benefit of all learners. The regional outcome agreements developed between the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council and colleges will not only safeguard but promote better educational outcomes for learners with additional needs. I believe that this robust approach will ensure that the interests of this group of learners are met.

Ken Macintosh

I thank the cabinet secretary for his reply, although I am concerned that he does not recognise the scale of the problem facing young students. The Scottish Consortium for Learning Disability conducted a survey in which it found that a third—in fact, more than a third—of all part-time courses for students with learning disabilities were cut last year. In the face of such figures, is the minister able to tell me exactly what powers he has and what his role and responsibilities are with regard to addressing the needs of young students with additional needs and why he is not intervening effectively to stop this situation?

Michael Russell

Perhaps the member should have checked with the Scottish Consortium for Learning Disability before asking that question. At my meeting with the SCLD director, Lisa Curtice, and the Enable Scotland chief executive, Peter Scott, on 6 December, I talked to them about what we require to do—that was not the first meeting that I have had with them. As I indicated in my answer, both those organisations are engaging in the outcome agreement process and are ensuring that students have an opportunity to influence provision. I asked both of them to bring forward new approaches to deliver opportunities for students with learning disabilities so that this key sector is protected, and they will come back to me with those proposals. Let us unite in supporting those students, rather than divide in the way that Mr Macintosh invited us to do.