Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have copies of the bill as amended at stage 2, the marshalled list and the groupings of amendments. The division bell will sound and proceedings will be suspended for five minutes for the first division of the afternoon. The period of voting for the first division will be 30 seconds. Thereafter, we will allow a period of one minute for the first division after a debate.
Section 1—Integration schemes: same local authority and Health Board area
Group 1 is on integration schemes: same local authority and health board area. Amendment 1, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 2 to 4, 7, 14, 19 and 63.
The amendments in group 1 relate to integration schemes, which deal with the agreement between the health board and the local authority on local integrated arrangements.
Amendments 1 to 4 seek to provide clarity regarding the details of financial calculations that must be included in the integration scheme, particularly in relation to large hospitals, such as Edinburgh royal infirmary and Glasgow Southern general, that serve the populations of more than one local authority.
Amendments 7 and 19 will ensure that Scottish ministers can require all necessary information to be included in integration schemes, and that they can ensure that health boards and local authorities are effectively bound into the agreements that they make in integration schemes.
Amendment 14 will ensure that ministers’ approval of all prescribed matters in an integration scheme is required. It will provide an important safeguard to ensure, for example, that ministers have the opportunity to approve suitably robust clinical and care governance arrangements under integration.
At the stage 2 Health and Sport Committee meeting on 21 January, I gave my support to Rhoda Grant’s amendments 216 and 218, which made changes to sections 12 and 15 of the bill to ensure that there would be consultation with professionals and other groups on matters relating to transfer of staff under those sections.
On amendment 63, will the appropriate trade unions be included in the consultation that will take place before a scheme is implemented?
Yes. We have given a commitment to talk to the appropriate representatives of the staff side at all times.
At the same time, I gave an undertaking to the committee that the same provision would be inserted in section 36, which also makes provision for the transfer of staff. Amendment 63 seeks to insert that provision in section 36.
I move amendment 1.
Local decision making and accountability are crucial if we want our health service to be integrated in a way that is suited to our local needs. Alex Neil’s amendment 14 seeks to take out—at quite a late stage—information in any integration scheme that would not need to be approved by a minister. To me, that means that, if amendment 14 is agreed to, ministerial approval would be needed for integration schemes to be approved.
I have similar concerns about amendments 7 and 19, as they provide for ministers to be able to alter integration schemes as they see fit. The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities has argued that the bill is too prescriptive and that there should be more flexibility at local level.
As amendments 14, 7 and 19 would result in the centre taking even more power and might allow for less flexibility, I seek assurances from the cabinet secretary on local accountability for integrated schemes before I decide whether to support the amendments.
I assure the member—I think that, in committee, members of parties were united on this point—that we want to ensure that as much localism as possible is built into decisions at locality level and at partnership level, particularly in relation to the commissioning plan and the strategic plan for each integrated scheme, as well as the arrangements for the integrated scheme itself. That is fundamental to the success of the bill’s provisions as a whole.
I do not think that I need to say much more, as only one member had comments to make. I am happy to give Mr Hume the assurances that he sought.
Amendment 1 agreed to.
Amendments 2 to 4 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
14:30
Group 2 is on integration scheme: arrangements for complaints and advice. Amendment 95, in the name of Nanette Milne, is grouped with amendments 96 and 97.
Complaints represent one of the ways in which people who are engaged at an individual level with services have their voices heard and access their rights. Everyone who makes a complaint about health and social care support and services in Scotland has the right to be listened to and have their concerns resolved as quickly and efficiently as possible. Most health boards and local authorities have developed clear and accessible complaints processes over a number of years to value the input of people who use support and services, and to ensure quality service provision that meets their needs. Listening to and learning from complaints can highlight where support or services need to be changed.
If integration is to produce seamless services for the people who use them, I agree with the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland that health and social care partnerships must be required to provide a clear single route into complaints processes as that is one means of ensuring that the needs and experiences of service users can be listened to and learned from, and can help to drive improvement. Complaints processes are a key accountability mechanism to enable people to access their rights in relation to health and social care. Complaints handling arrangements have the potential to be further complicated through integration, but the bill makes no reference to the complaints process.
I decided not to move an amendment similar to amendment 95 at stage 2. I reserved my position after hearing the cabinet secretary say that a new social work complaints system is under development that
“will be more accessible, allow complaints to be completed far faster and produce a co-ordinated response for the complainant.”—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 21 January 2014; c 4754.]
However, the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland, which raised the issue with me, still believes that the bill would be strengthened by the inclusion of a reference to ensuring effective access to a complaints system. As the development of the new system is still work in progress, I lodged amendment 95 for Parliament’s consideration at stage 3.
I support Malcolm Chisholm’s amendments 96 and 97, which aim to ensure that those in leadership positions with expertise in delivering care will have a clear route to share their expertise with integration authorities. The Government supported the involvement of medical and social work leads in its policy statements on secondary legislation at stage 2 and agreed to reconsider the place of senior nurses at stage 3. I would like to hear from the cabinet secretary that nurses, as well as doctors and social workers, should be similarly involved with integration authorities.
I move amendment 95.
I support Nanette Milne’s amendment 95. However, my amendments 96 and 97 relate to the quality, safety and standards of service, which I am sure we all agree must be absolutely central to the integration reforms. Moreover, I think that regulated professionals with accountability for providing high-quality care should also be central, with structures that support them to deliver their responsibilities meaningfully. In view of that, it is regrettable that there is little if anything about care governance arrangements in the bill. Quite rightly, there is a great deal about financial arrangements and arrangements for the delegation of functions, but I think that there is a gap in relation to care governance. I think that the fairly modest amendments 96 and 97 would help to fill that gap.
The cabinet secretary might say that his policy statement on section 12, which clearly is not in the bill itself, refers to the clinical director and chief social worker being non-voting members of the integration joint boards. That is all well and good as far as it goes, but I think that we need something more explicit about exactly the advice that will be sought from them and the arrangements for that. However, there is a glaring omission—Nanette Milne referred to this point—because there is no mention of the chief nursing officer in relation to the policy statement on section 12 or, as far as I can see, in relation to any other policy statements or words of the bill.
As someone who made sure—if I am allowed to say that—that the chief nursing officer was a member of every national health service board, I am particularly concerned about this issue, as members will appreciate. However, to be fair, the cabinet secretary was also concerned when I lodged an amendment at stage 2 that was similar but not identical to amendments 96 and 97. At the end of his winding-up speech, he said:
“Mr Chisholm’s one point that is worthy of further consideration—”
it was rather unworthy to say that I had only one point—
“is about whether the chief nursing officer in each board area should be included in the list that is in the bill. I am prepared to consider a stage 3 amendment to that effect. I accept his point, as 43 per cent of health service employees in Scotland are nurses and midwives.”—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 28 January 2014; c 4811.]
Perhaps the health secretary forgot his words, so very helpfully I have proposed amendments about arrangements for seeking the advice of professional leads who are experts in the delivery of quality care. Crucially, the professional leads referred to in the amendments include the chief nursing officer.
Many partnerships may well make arrangements that are similar to what I propose, but I believe that primary legislation should set out minimum mandatory expectations. My amendments provide a minimum guarantee that those who are able to make professional judgments on the quality of care can support innovation and development, improve decision making and raise concerns where appropriate.
If, by any chance, I am taken by surprise and the cabinet secretary does not support my amendments, I would at the very least urge him to insert the words “chief nursing officer” into the policy statement on section 12 because, by his own admission at committee, that was a glaring omission. Obviously, however, I would prefer him to support the amendments.
I support all three amendments in the group. The issue of complaints systems is important.
The cabinet secretary will remember that, during consideration of the Patient Rights (Scotland) Bill, we had an extensive debate about introducing a new system based on the four Cs—compliments, comments, concerns and complaints—as a modification of the system that had been introduced in the state hospital. There is a danger that, without Nanette Milne’s amendment 95, we will end up with an increased landscape and increased complexity rather than reduced complexity. Her amendment, which means that we would at least have
“a single point of entry to complaints systems for all services”,
is an initial step, but in the longer term we must simplify the overall system, because even with the amendment, there will still be multiple points of entry for complaints. A person has to decide whether they are a patient, someone who receives social care or someone who receives social work assessment, and those are just three examples of the different systems that exist at present.
I also support Malcolm Chisholm’s amendments 96 and 97, particularly in respect of nurses. The bill, if nothing else, is about the integration of community services, and in modern community services, nurses are often in the leadership positions. They need to be included, so I very much support amendment 97.
First, I will deal with the complaints system. I recognise that the system for social work complaints is no longer up to date or adequate. That is why we are working to develop a new system that will be more accessible, better co-ordinated and quicker. I will use existing powers in relation to secondary legislation to make those changes, which is why we do not need any additional provisions in primary legislation. I already have the powers that I need to make the necessary changes.
I am confident that, when we make those changes, Nanette Milne and others will realise that the intention of her amendment 95 will be achieved under my existing powers. The bill is not the appropriate legislative vehicle in which to make changes to the complaints system, especially when we have not consulted on them as part of consideration of the bill. When I produce a final set of proposals, we will consult people before we implement them.
I agree with the spirit of Malcolm Chisholm’s amendments 96 and 97, as it is clearly fundamental that health boards and local authorities seek advice from health and social care professionals on all aspects of integrated service planning and delivery. However, I do not agree with the way in which the amendments seek to achieve that. I say again that we are on the same page. The only issue is how best to achieve our shared objective.
My first concern, which I described during the stage 2 sessions in committee, is that I do not believe that it is appropriate to name some health and social care professionals in the bill but not others, and thereby to make a distinction between those who are named and those who are not. It is equally important that, for example, the views of the director of public health, general practitioner representatives and allied health professionals, among others, are sought and considered. I will expect integration schemes to describe the engagement process for all professionals and not just a few, as Malcolm Chisholm suggests.
Furthermore, amendments 96 and 97 do not include non-statutory partners in health and social care. To my mind, users and carers have a lead role in describing what a quality service should be, and the third sector is a significant provider of care services.
I hear what the cabinet secretary says, but the fact of the matter is that the policy statement on section 12 specifically names the clinical director, who will be a doctor, and the chief social work officer. There is no logic whatsoever in not also naming the chief nursing officer, at the very least in the policy statement on section 12.
The logic is that a senior medic and a senior social worker in the role of chief social work officer had to be made clear in the bill, particularly in relation to the responsibilities of the chief social work officer, who has to attend partnership boards as part of their role. There is a distinction because the bill refers specifically to the statutory function of those two positions.
Integration schemes will be required to provide detail on the arrangements for engaging with those groups of stakeholders as well. I am prepared to specify, for example, the chief nursing officer in the guidance that we will issue after further consultation. As I said, if we start to name everyone in the bill, it will become very long and people who should be named will still be left out. It is therefore far better to specify those people in regulations and guidance than to name them in the bill.
Amendments 7 and 19 strengthen regulation-making powers with regard to the content and effect of the integration scheme, and I will ensure that we set out appropriate processes for the engagement of professionals and non-statutory stakeholders. We are on the same page. We are trying to achieve exactly the same objective, but it is better not to take those particular measures into the bill but to put them into guidance and regulations and, where appropriate, secondary legislation.
On that basis, I invite Nanette Milne to withdraw amendment 95 and ask Malcolm Chisholm not to move amendments 96 and 97.
This is beginning to sound a bit like a rerun of the Health and Sport Committee meeting at stage 2, when we were, “All on the same page, but—”
I hear what the cabinet secretary says about the complaints system; as we know, he said it at the committee as well. However, this is still a work in progress. We do not know what the new system will be, so I press amendment 95.
The question is, that amendment 95 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division. As this is the first division of the afternoon, the Parliament is suspended for five minutes, after which there will be a 30-second vote.
14:42
Meeting suspended.
14:47
On resuming—
We move to the division on amendment 95.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 49, Against 61, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 95 disagreed to.
Amendment 96 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 96 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 53, Against 61, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 96 disagreed to.
Amendment 97 not moved.
Group 3 is on local authorities and functions that may be delegated. Amendment 5, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 6, 98, 99 and 91 to 94.
The bill at introduction permitted any local authority to be included in an integrated arrangement. I amended the bill at stage 2 to set out in the schedule to the bill the list of local authority functions that can be delegated under an integration scheme.
Amendments 5, 6, 94, 98 and 99 make minor adjustments to section 1 and the schedule to include functions conferred by virtue of an enactment as well as functions conferred directly by an enactment.
Amendments 91 to 93 make minor additions to the list of enactments set out in the schedule to the bill that confer functions that may be delegated.
I move amendment 5.
Amendment 5 agreed to.
Amendments 6, 98, 99 and 7 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 2—Integration schemes: two or more local authorities in Health Board area
Group 4 is on minor and technical amendments. Amendment 8, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 106, 20, 21, 56 to 62, 124, 64, 83, 125, 88 and 90.
The amendments in this group are minor and technical amendments to ensure that the bill is clear and ordered appropriately.
I move amendment 8.
Amendment 8 agreed to.
Section 4—Integration planning principles
Group 5 is on principles. Amendment 9, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 100 to 102, 10, 103 to 105, 47, 108 to 110, 48, 111 to 113, 49, 118 and 89.
The integration planning and delivery principles have been a key focus at stage 2, and rightly so, given that they provide the framework and ethos under which integration will be delivered.
The principles provide for a person-centred focus—putting the service user at the heart of service planning and delivery—and reflect measures of successful integration.
The bill aims to improve service delivery by integrating health and social care services for all users of these services. The principles must therefore apply to the whole population: adults, children, disabled people and people with dementia or learning difficulties. Indeed, many service users have multiple complex needs.
I am sympathetic to amendments lodged by other members in this group, but I cannot support them. I have taken many of the points raised at stage 1 and stage 2 into consideration and I lodged a number of amendments at stage 2 to further strengthen the integration principles.
Amendments 10 and 48 in my name ensure that the rights of service users are taken into account and further embed a rights-based approach in the bill.
Nanette Milne’s amendments 101 and 109 are not necessary. Amendments 10 and 48 in my name, together with the requirement to consider the particular needs of different service users, already take into account the abilities and wishes of service users.
Health boards and local authorities are already subject to statutory requirements and guidance in relation to assessment. However, given the importance of considering individuals’ needs within an integrated approach to care, I intend to provide statutory guidance on this matter. The guidance will provide further support to health boards and local authorities to ensure that their understanding of “need” is appropriate.
In considering the use of the term “independent living” in amendments 100 and 108 in the name of Malcolm Chisholm, I accept and agree—as I noted at stage 2—that it is important to ensure that those principles and ideals are reflected in standards of planning, delivery and design of services. Terms such as “independent living” are, by their nature, potentially subject to changing or differing interpretation. The integration principles must apply equally to all users of health and social care services covered by the bill, not only vulnerable or disabled people. We will continue to embed the Scottish Government’s vision statement on independent living for disabled people in all the work that we do, including as we take forward integration.
Including the need for access to independent advocacy services has not been consulted on with stakeholders and has not been costed. It is not clear how, or by whom, those services would be delivered, nor is it clear whether there is capacity within advocacy services in Scotland at present to service such a commitment.
On individual choice, it is important to distinguish between the requirements that the Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 places on local authorities to provide choice and control over social care services and the purpose of the bill, which is to bring together the responsibilities, accountability, delivery and planning for health and social care services.
Choice and control cannot apply equally to all service users in all circumstances and to all health and social care services under the bill. What is important is that the integration planning and delivery principles require the health board, local authority and integration authority to consider the needs of service users and to plan for integration and to deliver services from the perspective of the service user. Therefore, I cannot support Malcolm Chisholm’s amendments 104 and 112.
It is important that the care that people receive is delivered in a person-centred way. That is, they should receive the right care, at the right time, in the right place. That will, naturally, be different for different individuals and in different circumstances. We cannot take a simplistic, one-size-fits-all approach. However, good professional practice will, of course, include appropriate recording of hours to meet the needs of individuals.
We also cannot recognise one set of individuals who provide care and support over any other group, be they unpaid carers or paid staff in the employment of health boards, local authorities, third sector organisations or independent contractors. It is, of course, important that everyone who makes a contribution to good-quality care is recognised for doing so.
I assure members that I continue to meet many of the stakeholders who have expressed support for the opposition amendments in the group. I am fully committed to continuing that dialogue and to examining ways that we can build those considerations into regulations and guidance, but the opposition amendments in the group do not achieve the aims that they seek.
I ask Malcolm Chisholm not to move amendments 100, 103 to 105, 108 and 111 to 113; Nanette Milne not to move amendments 101, 102, 109 and 110; and Neil Findlay not to move amendments 49 and 89.
I move amendment 9.
Before I call the next five members who wish to speak on this group, I ask members to show courtesy to the cabinet secretary and all members who are participating in the debate and take their conversations outside the chamber.
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise to you and the cabinet secretary. I think that I heard most of his speech, but there was a good reason why I had to leave the chamber after my previous speech: I handed in to the official report my notes for this speech, which is not an error that I recommend to members.
The reason why I needed my notes back is that on them is a definition of independent living that, I am told, has been accepted by the cabinet secretary, COSLA, NHS Scotland and the Scottish independent living coalition. In particular, it has been accepted in a document called “Our Shared Vision for Independent Living in Scotland”.
A few moments ago, I heard Alex Neil say that there was no clear, indisputable definition of independent living. If I wanted to be unkind, which I never am, I could say that we spent a whole afternoon agreeing amendments about sustainable economic growth in a certain bill a few weeks ago, when it is generally agreed that there is no generally accepted definition of that concept. That did not stop the Scottish Government.
There is a more accepted definition of independent living that I will read out, because there is time. Independent living means
“disabled people of all ages having the same freedom, choice, dignity and control”—
choice and control will come up later as well—
“as other citizens at home, at work, and in the community. It does not mean living by yourself, or fending for yourself. It means rights to practical assistance and support to participate in society and live an ordinary life.”
I think, therefore, that there is an accepted definition of independent living, and I think that it would be helpful if it were in the bill. There is certainly a great demand for that from many groups. In the committee, it might have been suggested that only certain people have independent living, but we all have it. Obviously, however, disabled people have had to fight for it. They, in particular, would welcome the inclusion of the definition in the bill.
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The same applies to the word “rights”. Again, I welcome the cabinet secretary’s change of heart. When I moved a similar amendment in the committee, he argued that it was not necessary to add particular words about rights in the bill because, clearly, all Scottish Parliament legislation has to be consistent with the European convention on human rights. In fact, however, there is a particular, rights-based approach to health and social care that was recognised by the Government in the Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 and, in committee, we simply asked why we could not also have it in the bill. We should commend the cabinet secretary’s movement on the issue, which means that we will have words in the bill about respecting the rights of service users. I seek to build on that by echoing words from the 2013 act, which refers to service users’ “right to dignity”, and to their
“right to participate in the life of the community in which”
they live. Those are just slight changes to the words that the cabinet secretary has put into the bill, in order to reflect the rights-based language of the 2013 act. As he has taken the first step on rights, I hope that he will take the next step and accept those amendments.
My other amendments are about choice and control, words that I have already quoted and that have met with the cabinet secretary’s approval in that context. The key words in amendment 104 concern the service users’ right to participate in decisions. I think that we all accept that that is crucial to a person-centred approach to health and social care. One of the big changes that has gradually been taking place over the course of the past few years is the move from the old, paternalistic models of health and social care to those in which patients or service users or whoever have the right to participate. That is generally accepted, but I think that the words “choice” and “control” are also important. The question of who is capable and who is incapable of exercising choice and control is part of a long-standing, well-researched and well-rehearsed debate. However, what is important to state is that it is vital not to roll back the years of progress in extending opportunities for choice and control. There is plenty of evidence that, with the right support, even people with profound difficulties and impairments, as well as, of course, frail, older people, can exercise choice in their lives. I therefore reject what the cabinet secretary said in committee and repeated today about it not being appropriate to place certain people in such a category.
I support the other amendments in this group, including, obviously, Neil Findlay’s, and also Nanette Milne’s. Issues about advocacy were raised in the committee, but I accept the wording that she has suggested in amendment 102, about taking account of
“the need for access to independent advocacy”.
This group of amendments builds on a series of amendments at stage 2 that placed human rights principles more clearly at the heart of integration planning and delivery principles, giving respect to a person’s dignity and participation in the community, replacing the term “recipients of care” with “service users”, and amending the principles to ensure that service users, unpaid carers and those involved in health and social care from across the sectors are engaged in the planning and local delivery of services.
My amendments 101 and 109, by making explicit reference to people’s aspirations and abilities, as well as needs, and Malcolm Chisholm’s amendments 104 and 112, which refer to choice and control, more strongly reflect human rights and, particularly, a more person-centred approach, and strengthen amendments 10 and 48, in the name of the cabinet secretary, which I also support.
Also further embedding human rights in the legislation are Malcolm Chisholm’s amendment 108, referring to independent living, amendment 111, promoting service users’ right to dignity, and amendment 113, regarding the right of service users
“to participate in the life of the community in which they live”.
My amendments 102 and 110 would ensure that consideration was given to supporting service users through access to independent advocacy. An independent advocate can help people to express their own needs and make informed decisions, and speak on behalf of people who are unable to speak for themselves or who choose not to do so. Ensuring that independent advocacy is included for those who wish to access it would support the bill’s aims and principles and help to ensure that the voices of individuals and communities are at the heart of the planning, design, delivery and review of services.
I await Neil Findlay’s contribution on his amendment 49 before I decide whether to support it.
Amendment 49 will address one of the fundamental problems with the current social care system: poverty pay. Social care in Scotland is rapidly becoming a minimum wage sector. Councils that are hamstrung by underfunding and cuts to budgets and without the ability to set their own taxes are forced into externalising services and cutting the costs of contracts to third sector and other organisations. Voluntary groups tell us that they simply cannot and will not provide the services that are needed, because they cannot fulfil contracts at current prices. Councils are trying to make savings, but they can cut from the same cloth only so often.
A number of voluntary organisations tell us that they want out of the care sector altogether. That move is driven not by the needs of their clients but by their need to survive. Many want to speak out on that issue, but will not do so for fear of what would happen to their local and national funding.
Meanwhile, more than 40,000 home care workers are trying to exist on poverty pay; 40,000 people are paid below the living wage. The esteem in which the job is held is at an all-time low. Staff are often not paid for travelling time, some have to pay for their own phone calls back to their base, and training budgets have been slashed. In a society in which we pay footballers £300,000 a week, young care staff are paid as little as £5.13 an hour to look after our mums and dads, grannies and granddads, and elderly friends and relatives. That is a national embarrassment and a scandal that must be brought to an end.
Staff need to be rewarded in a way that protects the services that they provide, and that should be done by introducing the living wage. If the Scottish Government does not implement the living wage for care staff across the country and fund local government appropriately to do so, Labour will. We introduced the minimum wage and we will introduce the living wage. [Interruption.]
Order, please.
If the living wage is good enough for NHS staff, it is good enough for staff who support the same patients and clients when they return to the community. Therefore, I ask members to support amendment 49.
Amendment 89 seeks to end the culture of strict time-limited care visits. Last week, Unison released its “Time to care” survey, in which it reported that 56 per cent of its members who were questioned were on time-limited care visits. Many members complained bitterly about the pressures that they are under and the impact on those for whom they care. I hope that the cabinet secretary has read that shocking report; if he has not, I will give him a copy.
In its briefing on amendment 89, the Coalition of Care and Support Providers in Scotland reported that its members have a policy of refusing to tender for work that is on a 15-minute schedule because
“it does not align with their approach to care and support; others believe that they would not be able to provide an acceptable quality of service within this time frame, especially to people with complex needs; and others again have based their decision on their experience of providing 30-minute visits (with one member commenting that in their view, 15 minutes would be too short even for ‘welfare’ visits).”
It went on to say that 15-minute visits are
“increasingly a feature of care at home framework contracts.”
Those comments come directly from the front line. We should listen to those concerns.
In a recent report, Age Scotland highlighted that care visits are now down to as little as seven minutes. I know that the cabinet secretary is a rather sprightly, fit young man, but I am sure that, even for an athlete such as he, washing, dressing, cooking, feeding and toileting would be a challenge in 15 minutes, never mind seven minutes. I urge people to think of the challenges that care workers face in trying to help people who have mobility problems or an illness such as cancer or dementia. Time and task visits run totally contrary to a person-centred approach. They run contrary to a human rights-based approach and common decency, dignity and respect.
If personalisation and human rights mean anything we have to change conveyor belt care, which is an affront to people’s dignity and the staff who want to provide a good service but have some of the worst working conditions of any group of people working in the health and social care sector. The duration of a care visit must reflect the needs of the client, which is what amendment 89 seeks to ensure. I hope that the cabinet secretary accepts that important amendment, as this issue and poverty pay are two of the most important elements that undermine the quality of care that is provided in Scotland, and they are largely ignored by the bill.
As a member of the Health and Sport Committee, I have been pleased to work on the bill in committee at stages 1 and 2. The guiding principle has been for the bill to be person centred, to ensure that service users are at the heart of service planning and delivery.
With people in Scotland living longer and the number of people with complex illnesses increasing, there is a huge challenge ahead for our health service. To meet that challenge there must be a joined-up approach, which is why it is vital to integrate health and social care services, which are indeed person centred. If we do not do that, there is a danger that those who need support at a vital time could be missed or passed from pillar to post, without receiving the best service.
During stage 2, members lodged a number of amendments. After lengthy discussions we believed that those amendments would not strengthen the bill and we rejected them. I am still of that opinion, which is why I urge members to vote against the non-Government amendments before them.
Malcolm Chisholm’s amendment 100 and Nanette Milne’s amendment 101 are useful and important additions to the bill. They focus us and the legislation on the fact that person-centred care is what we all want to achieve.
For once, I disagree with the cabinet secretary about the term “independent living”, and I concur with Malcolm Chisholm. I add the United Nations to the list of organisations that recognise the term “independent living”. The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities refers to independent living and we could not argue with the UN. The convention states:
“Recognizing the importance for persons with disabilities of their individual autonomy and independence, including the freedom to make their own choices”.
That is a strength of Malcolm Chisholm’s amendment 100.
Nanette Milne’s amendment 101 also recognises that person-centred care is a desired outcome of the bill. We know that beds are scarcer now and that most people wish to be treated at home.
We will support Malcolm Chisholm’s and Nanette Milne’s amendments and in doing so we will put into legislation person-centred care and independent living as the focus of delivery.
I will deal with the points that have been raised as comprehensively as I can.
I fully accept the intention of Nanette Milne’s amendments, which are already reflected in the principles outlined at the start of the bill. To add to them at this stage would not be very helpful. A lot of the detail in her amendments would be more appropriately covered in regulations and guidance.
With regard to independent living, the bill’s principles must apply equally and appropriately to all users of health and social care services under the bill, not just vulnerable or disabled service users. They must also apply to children, able-bodied adults who suffer injury or disease, older people in residential homes and adult prisoners. Although the Scottish Government and COSLA have signed up to an independent living vision statement, as Malcolm Chisholm said, it is an entirely different matter to set out in primary legislation a static definition. It is worth noting that the UNCRPD describes “living independently”, so there are already different interpretations and definitions of “independent living”.
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Furthermore, it is proposed that the national health and wellbeing outcomes, which will be prescribed in secondary legislation, will have an outcome on independent living. Secondary legislation provides for more flexibility when legislating on matters that may change over time.
I have no issue at all with the principle of what we are trying to achieve. We are all on the same page and we are all trying to achieve the same objective. However, if we build certain definitions into law, that can work against the people we are trying to help and we can end up in a legalistic fight when we want to get on with the job of ensuring that the services are properly designed, planned and delivered.
Neil Findlay’s amendments would not do what he said he wants to do. I will explain one of the reasons why, although it is not the only reason—and I support the living wage. Had the European Union’s Lisbon treaty allowed it, the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Bill would have incorporated a provision whereby the providers under every public contract would have had to offer the living wage before they could even be considered for the tender. When we took advice, we were strongly advised by the European Union that that was totally unacceptable under the terms and conditions of the Lisbon treaty. We therefore have to consider other ways to ensure a good-quality standard of living for people working in the social care sector. I fully accept the need to do more.
Senior figures in the European Commission, including its President, offer the Scottish Government a lot of advice, some of which it wants to ignore. Is it a choice as to which advice the Scottish Government listens to?
We listen to advice from officials who are properly informed in the law; not everyone is, even at a very senior level.
That was the situation, and the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Bill could have been called in if we had included such a provision in it.
I absolutely accept the general principle that we have to do more in relation to people working in the social care sector, and we are in discussion with representatives of the sector about how best to do that.
Will the minister take another intervention?
I will not take another one.
Will the minister take another intervention on that point?
The minister has said no.
I should gently point out to Neil Findlay that the situation would have been helped had the minimum wage been raised in line with inflation in recent times, which is not the case.
Will the minister take an intervention?
I fail to understand why Neil Findlay is voting for a union in which the real-terms value of the minimum wage has been decreased, instead of voting for independence, when we have a commitment to raise the minimum wage in line with inflation.
Amendment 9 agreed to.
Amendment 100 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 100 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 100 disagreed to.
Amendment 101 moved—[Nanette Milne].
The question is, that amendment 101 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 101 disagreed to.
Amendment 102 moved—[Nanette Milne].
The question is, that amendment 102 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 52, Against 64, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 102 disagreed to.
Amendment 10 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Amendment 103 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 103 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 53, Against 61, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 103 disagreed to.
Amendment 104 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 104 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 104 disagreed to.
Amendment 105 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 105 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 105 disagreed to.
I ask for order in the chamber when results are being given.
Section 5—Power to prescribe national outcomes
We move on to group 6, on the national health and wellbeing outcomes. Amendment 11, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 12, 13, 119 and 87.
Amendments 11 to 13, 119 and 87 relate to the provisions that enable the Scottish ministers to prescribe national outcomes for health and wellbeing.
Amendments 11, 12 and 87 clarify what the national outcomes for health and wellbeing are, as defined by the bill, and where they are to be found, for readers of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978.
Amendment 13 will add housing stakeholders to the list of persons whom the Scottish ministers must consult before they prescribe national outcomes for health and wellbeing. It is particularly important to ensure a strong role for housing in integration. After all, it is our policy commitment to enable people to be cared for at home or in another homely setting for as long as possible. Amendment 13 provides that assurance.
Amendment 119 is a minor amendment that is consequential to amendments 11, 12 and 18.
I move amendment 11.
I welcome amendment 13 and the involvement of housing providers. Providers of sheltered and supported care have a lot to contribute to enable people to stay at home and be more independent for longer, so it is important that they are involved.
Amendment 11 agreed to.
Amendments 12 and 13 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 7—Approval of integration scheme
Amendment 14 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 11—Other staff of integration joint board
Group 7 is on integration joint boards: staff, finances and so on. Amendment 15, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 16 to 18.
Amendment 15 provides clarity with respect to the order-making power in section 11 to enable integration joint boards to employ staff other than a chief officer. The word “employ” is used, rather than “appoint”, to make it clear that what is envisaged under such circumstances is a relationship of employment.
Amendment 16 will remove section 11(3), because it is not considered necessary.
Amendments 17 and 18 reflect the position that the chief officer is accountable for all matters that relate to the integration joint board, and they enable the integration joint board to appoint an officer for matters of financial administration. The effect is to allow the integration joint board to place financial accountability in the hands of a finance professional, if the board agrees that that is appropriate, which will strengthen the financial governance of the integration joint board. Such an arrangement will not be obligatory—the chief officer can be the accountable officer for all matters, including financial administration—but the approach allows for local flexibility.
I move amendment 15.
Amendment 15 agreed to.
Amendment 16 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 12A—Integration joint boards: finance and audit
Amendments 17 and 18 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
After section 18
Amendment 19 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 18A—Health funding: further provision
Amendment 106 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 19—Transfer of staff: effect on contract of employment
Amendments 20 and 21 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 20A—Carrying out of functions conferred on officers of local authorities
Group 8 is on the carrying out of functions that are conferred on officers of local authorities and health boards. Amendment 22, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 23 to 31.
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The amendments will ensure that sections 20A and 20B operate in practice in the intended way. The deeming provisions in those sections are necessary to ensure that certain specific functions operate properly when health and social care functions are integrated.
Amendments 24, 26, 29 and 31 provide that the deeming provisions in sections 20A and 20B relate only to provisions that are prescribed by regulations. Amendments 22 and 27 are minor amendments to refer to functions that are conferred on local authority and health board officers by, or by virtue of, an enactment. Amendments 23 and 28 provide that, before the deeming provisions apply, any additional conditions that are prescribed by regulations must be satisfied. The amendments will make the position subject to further ministerial control, to ensure on a case-by-case basis that it is appropriate for section 20A(2) or 20B(2) to apply to a particular function.
Amendments 25 and 30 are minor amendments to ensure that sections 20A and 20B apply when an integration authority is a health board and local authority acting jointly, as provided for under section 42(d), so that staff of either body can carry out any function to which sections 20A and 20B apply.
I move amendment 22.
Amendment 22 agreed to.
Amendments 23 to 26 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 20B—Carrying out of functions conferred on officers of Health Boards
Amendments 27 to 31 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 22—Directions by integration authority
Group 9 is on directions by an integration authority. Amendment 32, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 33 to 42.
Amendments 32, 33 and 36 make it clear that a person who is carrying out a function under a direction from an integration authority is accountable for carrying out that function.
Amendment 34 clarifies finance matters as they pertain to directions and provides that, when a health board function that is carried out in a hospital that serves two or more local authority areas has been delegated, the direction must set out the amount that the health board has set aside for use by the person who is to carry out the function. Amendment 37 requires the direction to include instructions on how the amounts that have been set aside or paid are to be used.
Amendments 35 and 39 provide consistency with amendment 34. Amendment 38 provides consistency on liability, as set out at stage 2. Amendment 40 removes a redundant provision that is unnecessary to achieve the required effect.
Amendments 41 and 42 clarify the circumstances in which the Scottish ministers may make an order to provide that an integration joint board may decide not to issue directions as being when the Scottish ministers consider that an order would not only contribute to achieving the national health and wellbeing outcomes but further achieve the integration delivery principles.
I move amendment 32.
Amendment 32 agreed to.
Amendment 33 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 22A—Section 22: supplementary
Amendments 34 to 42 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 23—Requirement to prepare strategic plans
Group 10 is on integration authority: strategic planning. Amendment 43, in the name of Rhoda Grant, is grouped with amendments 44, 107, 45, 46, 114 to 116, 50 and 117.
Amendment 43 is about allowing people who require support packages to move with confidence between local authority areas. Currently, the person must live in a local authority area before he or she can be assessed for care. That prohibits people from moving because they have no confidence in the services that they will receive, or in whether the services will be adequate for their particular needs.
People need to move for personal and work-related reasons, therefore it is important that when they make those decisions they have confidence that what they will receive from a service provider is adequate for their needs immediately, when they move. They also need to take into account the different rates that different local authorities charge for services. That must be factored in if they are moving for work-related reasons. The rest of us would factor in things such as pension payments, overtime and travel to work, but they need to factor in the cost of living within an area before they can make a decision. Therefore, it is important that they have that information as soon as possible when they start to consider such decisions. That is a basic human right that the rest of us take for granted.
We all know that moving house can be daunting and it is not a decision that we take lightly, but it is much more difficult for someone who is dependent on assistance to live their life. Amendment 43 would place on local authorities a duty to take into account the needs of service users who move into their areas. That must be put into action as quickly as possible to allow those people to make those decisions and to have informed choices.
Amendment 116 would ensure that a representative of service users and a representative of carers were placed on the strategic planning group. It is important that we embrace co-production. Care is not something that just happens to people; it is something that they should have control over in terms of both its design and what it helps them to achieve. They must have autonomy in that and they must be involved in how we design their care.
Person-centred care is widely recognised, but sometimes it is delivered in a paternalistic way. We need to recognise that when people need assistance to live and go about their daily lives, they are still entitled to live their lives as they see fit. Amendment 116 would put those principles at the heart of service design, so I urge members to support it.
I also support the other amendments in the group, especially Nanette Milne’s amendment 117, which would involve the voluntary sector in the strategic plan, which I think is very important.
I move amendment 43.
The amendments in the group relate to integrated strategic planning, which lies at the heart of the bill and the process of reform.
The aim of Rhoda Grant’s amendment 43 is to improve portability of services when a service user moves between two local authority areas. I am sympathetic to Rhoda Grant’s concerns in that regard. When we updated guidance on the issue in 2010, we were made aware of how difficult it can be for people to move if they are not sure that the care services that they need will be in place when they move.
However, I do not believe that amendment 43 provides a workable approach to tackling that challenge. The provision of a service by a local authority to a service user is based on the person’s physical presence in that local authority area, so a local authority cannot begin to provide services to an individual until the service user is physically present in its area.
As I said, however, I am aware of the importance of the issue. The bill will place a duty on integration authorities to have regard to the effect of their strategic plans on other integration authorities, which provides for the broad imperative that no integration authority can plan for and deliver care in isolation from others. The bill also places service users firmly at the centre of service planning and delivery and will embed their perspective within all the processes of co-production that it describes.
For those reasons, I cannot support amendment 43 and call on Rhoda Grant to seek to withdraw it.
Nonetheless, I commit to continuing to work closely with stakeholders and partners on guidance to ensure that local systems set up effective voluntary systems that work together to carry out assessments in advance of a person moving between local authority areas, especially for people who may move frequently, such as Gypsy Traveller communities.
The effect of Rhoda Grant’s amendment 116 and Nanette Milne’s amendment 117 would be to provide that the service user, a representative of carers and a broad range of third sector organisations would all be directly involved in strategic planning. The amendments are not necessary. At stage 2, I provided the Health and Sport Committee with policy statements that made clear my intention to set out in regulations which groups of people must be included in local strategic planning groups. Under those regulations, service users, carers and representatives of the third sector will be included. It would be disproportionate to list individual groups in the bill, while leaving the involvement of other key parties, such as health boards, local authorities, GPs and social care professionals, to regulations. Therefore, I do not support amendments 116 and 117 and call on Rhoda Grant and Nanette Milne not to move them.
I turn to the amendments in my name. Amendment 44 will ensure that, when an integration authority sets out a start date for integration in its strategic plan, that date can only be earlier than the date that will be prescribed by the Scottish ministers for integration to begin.
Amendments 45 and 46 are minor amendments that will provide clarity that the integration authority must have regard to the effect of its strategic plan on services, facilities and resources used.
Amendment 50 makes it clear that the strategic planning group is the integration authority’s, not the constituent authority’s. It also allows for the fact that a health board may have representatives on more than one strategic planning group if it is involved in integrated arrangements with more than one local authority.
Amendment 107 will correct a reference to another section of the bill.
Amendment 114 is a minor amendment that will ensure that it is clear that it is the local authority that will nominate its representative on the strategic planning group.
Amendment 115 is a minor amendment that will ensure that it is clear that, when the integrated arrangement includes more than one local authority with a single health board, it is the local authorities that will nominate their representative on the strategic planning group.
Amendment 117 is, arguably, the most important of my amendments. It respects the third sector as a key strategic partner, alongside health boards and local authorities. The third sector forms a major part of the wider health and social care landscape, particularly in relation to preventative support, and it delivers more than a third of registered social care. As such, its role should certainly be clearly articulated in statutory guidance and secondary legislation, if not in the bill.
The Health and Social Care Alliance and many others have called, and continue to call, for third sector sign-off of strategic plans that are prepared by health and social care partnerships. They cite the fact that the sector’s involvement in joint signing-off under the reshaping care for older people change fund has enabled many areas to overcome barriers to partnership and has been a key driver for the cultural change that is widely acknowledged to be the essential foundation of integration. The sector thinks that without its having a more formalised role there is a risk that the bill will not fully achieve its policy objectives.
Although the arrangements that amendment 117 proposes are not as strong as the joint sign-off arrangements under reshaping care for older people, the Health and Social Care Alliance has given its support to my amendment, which proposes that third sector organisations be invited to express their views on draft strategic plans, and that those views would have to be taken into account. That would help to embed in the bill the role of the third sector as a key strategic partner.
I am happy to support Rhoda Grant’s amendment 43, which would require strategic plans to set out arrangements for considering the needs of service users who move between local authority areas, and her amendment 116, which would give service users and carers representation on strategic planning groups. In addition, I am happy to support the cabinet secretary’s amendments.
No other members wish to speak, so I ask Rhoda Grant to wind up and to indicate whether she intends to press amendment 43.
I say to the cabinet secretary that I understand that guidance is in place on portability of care, but it is not working. Legislation is necessary to address the issue.
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The cabinet secretary said that local authorities cannot design a care package for a person until that person is living in the area. However, any of us who has experience of trying to bring together a care package for elderly parents or others knows how long it takes to decide. It is a real barrier and it stops people moving about, but surely that is part of their human rights. They cannot choose to move without knowing about the service that they are going to receive. I ask the cabinet secretary to reconsider and to support amendment 43, which would really put users and carers at the heart of the bill. It is a hugely bureaucratic bill that is all about systems and bodies, and how we set them up. However, if we are not delivering—
Ms Grant—I am sorry, but can I stop you for a moment? There is too much chatter going on in the chamber. Can you pull your microphone around slightly, Ms Grant? Thank you.
If we are not legislating in the bill for service users and carers and if it is not designed to make their lives better, then I do not know what we are here for. Therefore, it is important that they be at the very heart of the bill and on the face of the bill. I urge members to support amendment 42 as well as amendment 43.
The question is, that amendment 43 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division. As this is the first division in the group, there will be a one-minute division. Please vote now.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 53, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 43 disagreed to.
Amendments 44 and 107 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 24—Considerations in preparing strategic plan
Amendments 45 and 46 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 25—Integration delivery principles
Amendment 47 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Amendment 108 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 108 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division. This will be a 30-second division. Please vote now.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 61, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 108 disagreed to.
Amendments 109 and 110 not moved.
Amendment 48 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Amendment 111 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 111 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 53, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 111 disagreed to.
Amendment 112 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 112 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 53, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 112 disagreed to.
Amendment 113 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
The question is, that amendment 113 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 113 disagreed to.
Amendment 49 moved—[Neil Findlay].
The question is, that amendment 49 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 39, Against 77, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 49 disagreed to.
Section 26—Establishment of strategic planning group
Amendment 114 moved—[Alex Neil].
If members will stop the chat, I will ask the question, which is that amendment 114 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: Yes.
Amendment 114 agreed to.
Amendment 115 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Amendment 116 moved—[Rhoda Grant].
The question is, that amendment 116 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 54, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 116 disagreed to.
Amendment 50 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 27—Preparation of strategic plan
Amendment 117 moved—[Nanette Milne].
The question is, that amendment 117 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Davidson, Ruth (Glasgow) (Con)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Urquhart, Jean (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 53, Against 62, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 117 disagreed to.
Section 30A—Review of strategic plan
Group 11 amendments are on the review and replacement of the strategic plan. Amendment 51, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 52 to 55.
These amendments will ensure that when a replacement strategic plan is produced following a review of the plan, the integration authority is subject to the same requirements as apply to the development of a first strategic plan. In other words, the integration authority must pay regard to the national outcomes for health and wellbeing and the integration delivery principles, along with the requirements on consultation, provision of information and publication that are set out in the bill in relation to strategic planning, when it is producing a replacement strategic plan.
Amendments 52 and 53 are drafting amendments
I move amendment 51.
Amendment 51 agreed to.
Amendments 52 and 53 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 30B—Requirement to prepare replacement strategic plan
Amendments 54 and 55 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 31—Carrying out of integration functions: general
Amendments 118 and 119 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 32—Carrying out of integration functions: localities
Amendment 56 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 33—Integration authority: performance report
Amendment 57 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 33B—Review of integration scheme
Group 12 is on the review of the integration scheme and the impact on children. Amendment 120, in the name of Bob Doris, is grouped with amendments 121, 122 and 123.
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These amendments were partly inspired by my meeting parents at a Glasgow project, which was a children’s inclusion partnership service jointly run by Barnardo’s Scotland and Stepping Stones for Families in Maryhill.
Like many families across Scotland, many families in Maryhill who are living in poverty need the support that local children and family services provide. It is vital that the bill improves the services that they rely on. Throughout its scrutiny of the bill, the Health and Sport Committee has been considering carefully the potential impact of the bill on children’s services.
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s amendments at stage 2, which clarify that a number of options are available to health boards and local authorities as they consider whether children’s services should be part of the wider integration agenda along with adult health and social care.
Whether children’s services are moved into integration schemes or kept separate will of course be up to local decision making—that is absolutely right. However, it is particularly important that we do not create a situation in which transitions for young people who are moving from children’s services to adult services become difficult or systems that do not integrate well or do not dovetail with each other.
Barnardo’s Scotland argued at stage 1 that it was not always clear where the responsibility for children’s services would lie, particularly in areas where integration authorities do not choose to take on responsibility for children’s services. Barnardo’s said at stage 1 that it was concerned that any confusion could create uncertainty. However, Barnardo’s—like most other organisations—is fully supportive of the principles that underpin the integration agenda.
I seek a commitment from the cabinet secretary that he is willing to ensure that transitions do not become an issue and that, regardless of whether children’s services are integrated or not, guidance will ensure that local authorities and health boards consider the impact of integration on children and children’s services as they review their integration schemes in due course. I also seek a commitment that children’s organisations will be involved as appropriate and as guidance is developed. I would welcome that reassurance. If those commitments are forthcoming, I will be content not to press the amendments in this group.
I move amendment 120.
I recognise that Bob Doris wants to make a point about making children’s rights a key part of the bill. That is a very good thing—children should be considered in any decisions that are made and I will support Bob Doris if he presses his amendments.
However, the cabinet secretary has already said in relation to Malcolm Chisholm’s amendments on independent living that disabled people should not be highlighted for special treatment as the bill is about everybody. It should be a given that children will be considered in any health and social care integration, as should older people, disabled people, lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, women and people from ethnic minorities—all sectors of our community, in fact. I am quite interested in why Bob Doris thought it necessary to have these amendments, which highlight only children’s rights, but not other amendments to highlight other people’s rights.
The bill rightly provides for local flexibility for health boards and local authorities to include other services beyond adult health and social care in their integrated arrangements, such as children’s services.
When statutory partners choose not to include children’s services, that does not negate the need to plan effectively for those services; nor does it remove the need to ensure effective transitions between children’s and adult services.
When children’s services are included in the integrated arrangement, the integration planning principles require health boards and local authorities to take account of the needs of service users.
Similarly, the national health and wellbeing outcomes must be applied and taken into account for all users of services within the integrated arrangement when reviewing an integration scheme.
It is important that the planning requirements of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill and this bill are aligned, so amendment 84 in group 14 provides for that statutory link.
I also committed at stage 2 to ensuring that integration joint boards are included as partners in community planning under the community empowerment (Scotland) bill.
Further, under part 1 of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill, local authorities and health boards—among others—will be required to report on how they are addressing children’s rights as set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.
I welcome the opportunity to assure Parliament that where statutory partners choose to integrate only adult services, appropriate mechanisms are in place and robust consideration has been given to the planning of other services. Statutory guidance will further strengthen those arrangements. I therefore hope that I have reassured Bob Doris on all the perfectly legitimate points that he raised. I hope that I have reassured him that we are doing the right thing by our children. I therefore ask him to withdraw amendment 120 and not move amendments 121 to 123.
Jim Hume made a reasonable point about singling out certain groups over others on the face of the bill. That said, Barnardo’s and others want to ensure that guidance is appropriate and fully consistent with the ambitions contained in the bill. Given the comments that the cabinet secretary has made and the strong reassurances that he has given, I am minded to withdraw amendment 120 and not to move amendments 121 to 123.
Amendment 120, by agreement, withdrawn.
Amendment 121 not moved.
Section 33C—Requirement to review integration scheme
Amendment 58 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Amendments 122 and 123 not moved.
Section 34—Revised integration scheme
Amendments 59 to 62 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 35—New integration scheme
Amendment 124 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 36—Power to make provision in consequence of new integration scheme
Amendment 63 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 37—Information-sharing
Amendment 64 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 41A—Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland
Group 13 is on inspections by Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland and Healthcare Improvement Scotland. Amendment 65, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 66 to 82.
The bill allows Healthcare Improvement Scotland and Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland, known as the Care Inspectorate, to inspect the co-ordination of health and social care services. Upon reflection, I do not think that that goes far enough. I have extended the remit to include the planning, organisation and co-ordination of those services. That broader inspection framework will provide a better basis for scrutinising integrated services.
Amendment 82 allows HIS and SCSWIS, when undertaking a joint inspection, to invite other bodies mentioned in section 115(6) of the Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 to carry out an inspection with them.
I move amendment 65.
Amendment 65 agreed to.
Amendments 66 to 70 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 41B—Healthcare Improvement Scotland
Amendments 71 to 81 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 41C—Joint inspections of health services and social services
Amendment 82 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 41D—Amendments of section 56 of Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973
Amendment 83 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
After section 41D
Group 14 is on children’s services planning. Amendment 84, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is the only amendment in the group.
Amendment 84 will insert a new section after section 41, adding a new paragraph into the definition of “other service provider” in section 7(1) of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill, to add integration joint boards to that definition.
The amendment will ensure proper cohesion of the planning requirements placed upon statutory bodies under this bill and the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill, by ensuring that those requirements apply to integration joint boards established under this bill.
I move amendment 84.
When we debated my amendments in group 12, the cabinet secretary referred to amendment 84. The purpose of group 12 was to ensure that a review of health and social care integration would place the rights of the child and outcomes for children at its heart. I was reassured that that could be dealt with in guidance but, on amendment 84, I agree with the cabinet secretary that such matters need to be placed in the bill.
I very much hope that integration boards will choose to integrate children’s services, if not in the short term then at some point in the future. Therefore, we must ensure that Government legislation in various areas is properly aligned and it is right to amend the newly passed Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill to ensure that, should children’s services be integrated, the integration board that decides to do that is fully recognised in the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill.
That is crucial for strategic planning and to ensure that the ambitions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill are realised as part of the integration agenda.
I will support amendment 84.
Amendment 84 agreed to.
Section 46—Scottish Ministers: power to form companies etc
Group 15 is on the Scottish ministers and the power to form companies. Amendment 85, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendment 86.
Amendment 85 seeks to achieve the stated policy intention of allowing NHS bodies access to a range of joint-venture structures for the management and disposal of assets. It extends the purposes for which joint-venture structures can be formed by NHS bodies to include the management and disposal of assets.
The purposes for which NHS bodies can form joint ventures are closely defined in section 84B of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978. Amendment 86 is a technical amendment that introduces a mechanism to provide future flexibility in the use of joint-venture structures by health bodies by allowing the Scottish ministers to make regulations prescribing additional purposes for which joint ventures may be formed. Such purposes must relate to health functions under the 1978 act.
I move amendment 85.
I speak as the convener of, and on behalf of, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee.
I seek clarification and reassurance from the cabinet secretary on concerns that the committee has about amendment 86. This morning, the committee considered the stage 3 amendments to the bill that relate to delegated powers. There is an unusually high number of such amendments for stage 3, but the committee has concerns only about amendment 86.
In a letter to the committee, the Scottish Government explained that the amendment conferred power on the Scottish ministers to prescribe purposes additional to those expressed in the bill for which they may form, or participate in forming, bodies corporate and participate in bodies corporate that are formed. The letter further explains that the power will enable ministers to adjust the purposes for which the Scottish ministers and health boards may form, or participate in, bodies corporate without the need for further primary legislation but that the power is limited in that the purpose must relate to the functions conferred by the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978.
However, the letter offers no further explanation of why the power has been taken and no explanation of why the need for the power has become apparent only at this juncture, nor is any explanation offered or are any examples given of how the power might be used.
In the absence of such an explanation or examples, the committee was unable to form a clear view on the appropriateness of the power contained in the amendment. Furthermore, the committee is unclear about the significance of the matters that might be provided for by the power and, therefore, unable to form a clear view on whether the negative procedure is the appropriate procedure to attach to the power or whether a higher level of parliamentary scrutiny would be more appropriate.
Therefore, I invite the cabinet secretary to provide further explanation of why the power is being taken, how it might be used, the significance of the matters for which it might be used and the appropriateness of the use of the negative procedure for regulations under the power.
Amendment 86 was a significant omission from the bill at stages 1 and 2 and should have been introduced then. It should not have been introduced at this late stage without having gone through any real scrutiny. Introducing the ability to form a company or a body corporate for a broad range of purposes without any real scrutiny is not the way to legislate. There may be perfectly legitimate reasons for forming such bodies, but the minister must respect Parliament and the parliamentary process when introducing legislation.
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I am happy to explain to the committee the reasoning behind the amendment.
The purpose behind section 84B of the 1978 act is to ensure that best value is obtained in the use of health service resources and that services can be provided in conjunction with other bodies, where that is in the interests of the public purse.
It is likely that the majority of purposes for which joint ventures are used will be covered by the wording of the 1978 act. However, amendment 86 is necessary to allow an expansion of the purposes for which joint ventures may be used, so as not to stifle innovation.
I can reassure members that this power is intended to be used for narrow purposes. The power of the Scottish ministers to prescribe purposes is constrained by the provision requiring them to be linked to the functions under the 1978 act. Given that restriction, and the intention to use the power to make narrow, technical changes to the purposes for which joint ventures are permitted, negative parliamentary procedure allows a sufficient level of scrutiny.
Examples of which joint ventures might be formed in future include the provision of shared services or support services in conjunction with local authorities, such as hard and soft facilities management, which would include non-NHS buildings services or services such as catering, vehicle maintenance and so on. The amendment will allow further, similar uses of joint ventures, which might otherwise be obstructed.
Section 84B was established for a particular purpose, and the key point is that, where innovation in this area becomes possible, seeking an appropriate primary legislative vehicle to amend the purposes that are set out in section 84B is restrictive. The amendment seeks to enable innovation and remove barriers and delay.
I hope that that provides the necessary reassurance to the committee convener and to the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee itself.
Amendment 85 agreed to.
Amendment 86 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Section 48—Interpretation
Amendments 125, 87 and 88 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Amendment 89 moved—[Neil Findlay].
The question is, that amendment 89 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
There will be a division.
For
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Baker, Richard (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con)
Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con)
Carlaw, Jackson (West Scotland) (Con)
Chisholm, Malcolm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Dugdale, Kezia (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Ferguson, Patricia (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Fergusson, Alex (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Findlay, Neil (Lothian) (Lab)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Goldie, Annabel (West Scotland) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Hilton, Cara (Dunfermline) (Lab)
Hume, Jim (South Scotland) (LD)
Johnstone, Alex (North East Scotland) (Con)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lamont, John (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Macintosh, Ken (Eastwood) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Martin, Paul (Glasgow Provan) (Lab)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McCulloch, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McGrigor, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
McInnes, Alison (North East Scotland) (LD)
McMahon, Michael (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab)
McMahon, Siobhan (Central Scotland) (Lab)
McNeil, Duncan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
McTaggart, Anne (Glasgow) (Lab)
Milne, Nanette (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Murray, Elaine (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Pearson, Graeme (South Scotland) (Lab)
Pentland, John (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
Rowley, Alex (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Scanlon, Mary (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Scott, Tavish (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Simpson, Dr Richard (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Smith, Drew (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Elaine (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Against
Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Biagi, Marco (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burgess, Margaret (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Don, Nigel (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Eadie, Jim (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gibson, Rob (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Ingram, Adam (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Keir, Colin (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Central Scotland) (SNP)
MacAskill, Kenny (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
MacKenzie, Mike (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Maxwell, Stewart (West Scotland) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McLeod, Aileen (South Scotland) (SNP)
McLeod, Fiona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Robertson, Dennis (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Russell, Michael (Argyll and Bute) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Thompson, Dave (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Wilson, John (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow) (SNP)
The result of the division is: For 52, Against 59, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 89 disagreed to.
Section 49—Subordinate legislation
Amendment 90 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
Schedule—Enactments conferring on local authorities functions which may be delegated
Amendments 91 to 94 moved—[Alex Neil]—and agreed to.
That ends the consideration of amendments.
As we have completed the consideration of amendments ahead of schedule, I am minded to take a motion without notice on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, under rule 11.2.4 of the standing orders, to bring forward decision time to 5.20 pm.
Motion moved,
That the Parliament agrees that, under Rule 11.2.4 of Standing Orders, Decision Time be taken at 5.20 pm.—[Joe FitzPatrick.]
Motion agreed to.