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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, December 16, 2010


Contents


Scottish Executive Question Time


General Questions

A few seconds early, we come to the next item of business, which is general question time.

Question 1 has not been lodged.


Single Farm Payments (Deer Farmers)



2. To ask the Scottish Executive when deer farmers will be able to access support through the single farm payment scheme. (S3O-12344)

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

Mr McGrigor will be aware from the correspondence that he and I have shared of all the arguments surrounding deer farmers and the single farm payment scheme. I regret that they do not have automatic access to the scheme and, furthermore, I am sorry that there is nothing that can be done under the existing direct payment regulations to change the position.

I have asked our future common agricultural policy stakeholder group, which includes a Scottish deer farming representative, to discuss the recommendations arising from the inquiry into future support for agriculture in Scotland and to consider this particular issue. I assure the member that the Scottish Government will consider carefully any issues that are raised by the stakeholder group when we write our considered response to all the inquiry’s recommendations.

Jamie McGrigor

I thank the cabinet secretary for that assurance, as this situation has been going on for a long time.

Does the cabinet secretary recognise the extent of the frustration among Scotland’s historic deer farmers who, for years, have been trying to achieve equity with every other farmer in Scotland, who had an entitlement to the single farm payment given to them by right? Given that most deer farmers already have to adhere to all the cross-compliant rules, will the cabinet secretary explain to Scottish deer farmers why his Government is refusing, so far, to bring them into the SFP system by using the national reserve, which it is perfectly able to do under European Union law?

Richard Lochhead

I assure the member that we have considered the issue carefully. He will be aware that single farm payment entitlements are based on subsidies that were received during the 2000 to 2002 reference period and that Scottish deer farmers, along with many other unsupported sectors, do not receive single farm payments under our historic system of payments. That was not signed up to by this Administration; it was, of course, signed up to by previous Administrations.

I assure the member that we take the contribution that the venison industry in Scotland makes very seriously. At the moment, supply cannot keep up with demand, which is a good sign for that top-quality Scottish product. We have funded a number of feasibility studies into ways in which we can help to grow the venison sector, and we are working with the sector in that regard.

Of course, from 2013 onwards, there will be a new common agricultural policy, which will give us the opportunity to influence who receives support in the future.


Local Authorities (Private Sector Solicitors)



3. To ask the Scottish Executive what discussions the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has had with local authorities regarding the employment of private sector solicitors. (S3O-12348)

I have had no such discussions with local authorities.

Ted Brocklebank

I thank the cabinet secretary for that interesting reply. Does that mean that he is unaware that, apparently, the City of Edinburgh Council now spends more on external legal advice than any other Scottish council and that, last year, it spent £2.3 million—a staggering two thirds more than it spent two years before—on such private legal advice?

Against that background, and given John Swinney’s commitment to having no compulsory redundancies in the public sector, is the cabinet secretary concerned that the City of Edinburgh Council is paying around £400 an hour for external legal advice when some of the council’s in-house legal staff are facing possible redundancy?

Kenny MacAskill

I am surprised at the hostility of a member of the Conservative party to private enterprise.

I meet quarterly with the Law Society of Scotland, which represents solicitors who work in the public sector and solicitors who work in the private sector. It seems to me that this is a matter of balance. Some matters are understandably and correctly put out to tender, particularly large-scale conveyancing, and some matters are deeply complex and are beyond the skills or attributes of those who work in the public sector. I believe that councils seek to strike an appropriate balance between what they can do in-house and what is correctly sent out to the private sector.

If there are particular matters of concern in relation to the City of Edinburgh Council, I am sure that members of Mr Brocklebank’s party who are members of the council will raise them.


Benefits Review



4. To ask the Scottish Government what effects it considers the United Kingdom Government’s review of benefits will have on vulnerable people in Scotland. (S3O-12426)

The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)

The Scottish Government welcomes some aspects of the coalition Government’s proposals for welfare reform, such as the simplification of an overly bureaucratic system under the universal credit and the strong links to localism.

However, it is important to appreciate the difference between longer-term plans for welfare reform and the severe cuts to the benefits system that the coalition Government made in the June budget and in the comprehensive spending review in October. I think that it is clear that those cuts will have a significant and hugely detrimental impact on vulnerable groups and individuals across Scotland.

Dave Thompson

Of recipients of incapacity benefits in Scotland, 45.2 per cent qualify because they suffer from mental health problems. They will all be reassessed in 2014 under the work capability assessment to decide whether they qualify for the new employment and support allowance.

Concerns have been raised about the accuracy of the assessment and 43 per cent of appeals that are made against decisions on grounds of mental or behavioural disorders have been successful. Will the Scottish Government raise the issue with the UK Government? Will it also raise the concern that the descriptors on mental, intellectual and cognitive function are unlikely to change in 2011, despite the recommendations of the Harrington review? Will it ask the UK Government to speed up the process so that fewer people will be placed in that intolerable position?

Alex Neil

The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing and I, as well as other members of the Government, have been in touch with Iain Duncan Smith, Lord Freud, Maria Miller and Chris Grayling at the Department for Work and Pensions to make two points. First, we have not been consulted on any of the benefit changes before they have been made and, secondly, we specifically believe that many of the proposed reforms will be extremely damaging, including for people with mental health problems. I am happy to take up yet again with those ministers—as we are doing—our very real concerns about the damage that the reforms are doing.

Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab)

What discussions have ministers had with local authorities about the implications of the decision to close the independent living fund, given that many local authorities—including Glasgow—lever in ILF moneys to support people with disabilities to live independently?

What discussions will the minister have with local authorities on how they might meet that shortfall, given the important role of such packages in allowing people to remain in the community, perhaps working, rather than having to go into supported—and indeed more expensive—care? Is that not a very good example of preventative spending that is being lost to many local authorities and families?

Alex Neil

We have been heavily involved with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities in making joint representations to the UK Government. The most recent meeting that I attended was a joint meeting between Chris Grayling, Keith Brown, who was then the Minister for Schools and Skills, and Councillor Harry McGuigan, COSLA’s spokesperson for wellbeing and related matters.

I am happy to consider the points that Johann Lamont raises. We are all very concerned about the impact of the changes to—indeed, the abolition of—the independent living fund from London, and we want to ensure in particular that vulnerable people are not unduly affected, unless that is unavoidable.


Post-probationary Teachers (Employment)



5. To ask the Scottish Executive how many post-probationary teachers it expects to be in full-time employment at the start of the 2011-12 school term. (S3O-12390)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The employment of teachers is a matter for local authorities. However, the budget agreement that we have secured with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities will ensure, among other things, that there will be sufficient posts for all those who leave the induction scheme in June 2011 to apply for. Of course, no one is guaranteed a job and the posts will be available through open and fair competition to all teachers who are seeking employment.

Beyond that, the agreement will secure posts for all probationers who require a place under the induction scheme in August 2011 and further posts to achieve a reduction in the number of unemployed teachers.

Local authorities have been invited to sign up for the package of measures that are covered by the agreement, and I hope that Michael McMahon will encourage Labour authorities to do so.

Michael McMahon

Last week my colleague Peter Peacock asked why the Scottish National Party never argued prior to coming to power that there was an oversupply of teachers and yet is doing so now. In response, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning spent a few minutes indulging in rhetorical verbiage—as is his wont—but did not actually answer the question.

He stated that Mr Peacock had conducted an extremely effective smoke-and-mirrors job. I will ask him again: if the teacher numbers that he inherited were just smoke and mirrors, was it the smoke or the mirrors that he pledged to maintain, or was that just one more of the Government’s promises that it had no idea how to fulfil and no real plan for? We cannot trust a word that the Government says about providing probationary teachers with a permanent job.

Michael Russell

I was in fact quoting Jackie Baillie on the issue of smoke and mirrors, as I think I made clear at the time. I had hoped that Michael McMahon was focused on the very real issue of teacher unemployment and how we resolve that issue. That is what I have been focused and working on. I am sorry that Mr McMahon does not share my concern and that he simply wants to score his usual cheap political points.


Edinburgh Royal Hospital for Sick Children



6. To ask the Scottish Executive what support it will provide for the building of the new Royal hospital for sick children in Edinburgh. (S3O-12372)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Nicola Sturgeon)

The Government is fully committed to delivery of the Royal hospital for sick children. The substantial cut in our capital budget means that we have taken the decision that it should now be financed on a revenue funding non-profit-distributing basis. With support through the Scottish Futures Trust, NHS Lothian will take forward the project as quickly as possible.

Malcolm Chisholm

The cabinet secretary will know of widespread concern in Edinburgh that the new sick children’s hospital will not receive the direct Scottish Government funding that the sick children’s hospital in Glasgow and the Southern general in Glasgow have received. However, will she guarantee that there will be no undue delay in building the hospital and that the Scottish Government will provide on-going revenue support to meet the annual charges arising from a privately funded hospital, especially given that NHS Lothian already receives £69 million less than it should receive according to the distribution formula?

On that point, how quickly does the cabinet secretary plan to close the funding gap between what NHS Lothian should receive and what it actually receives?

Nicola Sturgeon

I thank Malcolm Chisholm for the close interest that he continues to take in the issue.

As he will be aware, the decision to move to revenue finance for the sick kids in Edinburgh was taken in the context of a 36.5 per cent real-terms cut in capital funding throughout the Scottish Government. In that context, decisions have to be taken that previously we might have preferred not to take. The decision that we have taken on the use of revenue finance and on revenue support for unitary payments will give certainty over the delivery of the project. That is an important assurance to give to the people who will be served by the hospital. I repeat the absolute commitment of the Scottish Government to delivery of the new hospital for sick children.

On Malcolm Chisholm’s point about delay, as I indicated in my first answer, it is our commitment to keep any delay to an absolute minimum. The Scottish Futures Trust is already working with NHS Lothian to ensure that that is the case.

On the funding gap, I am sure that Malcolm Chisholm will acknowledge, because he is a fair man, that it is something that has existed over a period of years and under previous Administrations. Through the national resource allocation committee formula, we are committed to closing that gap.

It is not just NHS Lothian that is affected. When overall funding increases are smaller than they were in previous years, due to the overall funding position, progress towards closing the gap will be slower than it otherwise would have been. I remain committed to ensuring that boards work towards parity where they are currently under parity and that that process happens without destabilising other boards.

I would be happy to keep Malcolm Chisholm briefed on all of those issues, as I am sure would NHS Lothian.


Fuel Poverty



7. To ask the Scottish Executive whether it is on target to end fuel poverty by 2016. (S3O-12337)

The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)

The Scottish Government is committed to ensuring, as far as reasonably practicable, that by November 2016 people are not living in fuel poverty in Scotland. The three principal factors contributing to fuel poverty are fuel prices, incomes and the energy efficiency of housing. We are providing support to tackle fuel poverty through the energy assistance package and the home insulation scheme. However, the major challenges to meeting the target are household incomes and rising fuel prices, over which we have no control—yet.

Gavin Brown

I think I asked the minister whether we were on target. I am not sure that I got an answer.

Let me help the minister. In 2007, when this Government took office, fuel poverty was 25 per cent in Scotland. In 2008, it rose to 27 per cent. On figures released recently for last year, it was 33 per cent. The Government has taken us from a quarter of households being in fuel poverty to a third. What does the minister intend to do that is radically different to turn that around?

Alex Neil

If I may say so, anyone on the Conservative benches has a cheek to complain about the situation, given the savage cuts being imposed on the Scottish Government by the coalition Government in London. Cuts were also imposed by the previous Labour Administration in London.

If we consider the capital aspect of our programmes, a 40 per cent cut is planned over the next four years. That makes it extremely difficult for us to achieve any target, particularly when fuel prices are rising so rapidly. No action has been taken on that, either by the previous Labour Government or the current coalition Government.

Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)

Rising fuel prices and benefit cuts are indeed two aspects of fuel poverty. However, does the minister agree that, in order to target fuel poverty, we need additional insulation measures and reduced tariffs for those in such poverty? In that respect, is he aware that the New Policy Institute report on behalf of the Energy Retail Association’s home heat helpline has concluded that 400,000 households in Scotland could benefit from energy companies by up to £260, but uptake of that scheme is only 12 per cent? Does the minister agree that every member in the chamber and the energy companies themselves must do more to promote the scheme and, indeed, support the Scottish Government’s excellent energy assistance package?

Alex Neil

I agree with every word of Bob Doris’s question. In addition, I remind the chamber of two facts: first, 60 per cent of the fuel price for consumers is determined by the wholesale price; and, secondly, since September, fuel prices have gone up by something like 38 per cent. That is why we welcome the rather overdue inquiry by the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets into retail energy prices. I hope that when that report is published, we will see some action from the coalition Government.

Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD)

Given that bulk buying presents a real opportunity for getting hold of heating oil at the cheapest possible price, what consideration has the Scottish Government given to using public agencies to bulk buy heating oil at a discount on behalf of the most needy households in Scotland, as a means of achieving an end to fuel poverty?

Alex Neil

We are open to all suggestions but I point out that the practicalities of bulk buying for such a diverse community make such a move very difficult. Nevertheless, we are having on-going negotiations on such matters. Indeed, I chair the carbon emission reduction target strategy steering group, which includes the energy companies, and with regard to fuel poverty we are looking at every possible way of relieving the pressure on our most vulnerable citizens.


Energy Assistance Package



8. To ask the Scottish Executive what the benefits have been of the energy assistance package. (S3O-12394)

The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)

Since its start, the energy assistance package has provided energy savings advice to more then 134,000 households. The categories of people who are able to access help who did not benefit under the central heating programme, such as families on low incomes, have been widened. We are making Scotland’s homes more sustainable and are able to reach all parts of Scotland with solutions suited to the local environment. Moreover, at a time when the private sector is facing difficulties, we are creating jobs—for example, the new contract with Scottish Gas will support more than 370 jobs throughout Scotland—and providing opportunities to grow the green economy.

By creating home energy Scotland, we have also made it easier for the public to apply for assistance under the package and our other energy efficiency schemes. This one-stop shop offers free energy saving advice and assistance across Scotland and I urge anyone with concerns to phone 0800 512 012.

Mary Mulligan

I thank the minister for his reply and will study his figures very carefully.

Why has the minister decided to cut the energy assistance package budget by more than £20 million—or almost 20 per cent? How many households does he expect to receive no help and remain in fuel poverty because of his decisions?

The decisions to cut budgets were originally made by Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown, and the situation has been exacerbated by the Liberal Democrat and Tory coalition. [Interruption.]

Order.

Alex Neil

It is a bit cheeky, to say the least, for anyone on any of the unionist benches to complain about budget cuts. We are doing everything we possibly can to help the most vulnerable members of our community—and we should bear in mind that, under Labour, poverty in the United Kingdom got worse, not better.

Is the minister able to report on Scottish Gas’s progress in clearing the backlog of work in installing central heating systems? [Interruption.]

Order. Can we have a bit less silence—[Laughter.] I mean, a bit more silence, please.

Myself excluded, Presiding Officer.

Is the minister able to report on Scottish Gas’s progress in clearing the backlog in the Western Isles of work to install central heating systems under the scheme?

Alex Neil

We are making substantial progress throughout Scotland, including in the Western Isles, and we have dramatically reduced the turnaround time from what it was under the old central heating programme to under three months under the energy assistance programme. I believe that we will reach a substantial installation figure by the end of the financial year. Of course, demand is rising because of the inclement weather, which is probably the best advert for the line whose number I quoted. In the first week of the inclement weather, the number of calls throughout Scotland totalled more than 7,000, which directly resulted in 1,600 families being helped that week through the home energy hotline.