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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, May 13, 2010


Contents


Scottish Executive Question Time


General Questions


Legislative Plans



1. To ask the Scottish Executive what impact the United Kingdom Government’s legislative programme is expected to have on the Scottish Government’s legislative plans. (S3O-10526)

The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Bruce Crawford)

We understand that the UK Government’s legislative programme will not be announced until the Queen’s speech on 25 May. The Scottish Government will continue to pursue a constructive relationship with the UK Government to serve best the interests of the people of Scotland.

Patrick Harvie

Now that Mr Clegg and Mr Cameron have sealed what I am sure they regard as a perfect union, it is clear that their plans will include measures to address the constitutional union. That might result in some positives, such as the additional powers that the Calman commission recommended, but it might also have negatives. What is the Scottish Government’s view on the fact that no consultation, and certainly no public vote, are proposed on the additional powers; that a legal requirement could be implemented for Holyrood and Westminster elections to coincide on the same day in 2015; that a UK sovereignty bill could be introduced to establish Parliament’s sovereignty, which would be out of keeping with the Scottish tradition; and that the partnership agreement makes oblique references to the West Lothian question?

Bruce Crawford

As Patrick Harvie might expect, the Scottish Government will seek to work constructively with the UK Government. We will seek a relationship that is based on mutual trust and parity of esteem. One of the first tests of that relationship relates to the Calman proposals, to which Patrick Harvie referred. We have always said that some of the proposals are positive, as he said. However, the finance and taxation recommendations have significant flaws. They would deliver less transparency and less accountability and would expose the Scottish Government’s budget to significant risks without adequate levers to address those risks. The UK Government needs to be open about considering those issues.

I know that Liberal Democrats in the Scottish Parliament have grave doubts about the proposals. I hope that, with the help of Liberal Democrat MSPs, we can secure an agreement with the Secretary of State for Scotland on a much-improved package of financial measures, which will be good for the people of Scotland.

Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (Ind)

I warn the Minister for Parliamentary Business not to wish for too much. He might get a referendum that is held from London.

Under “6. Political Reform”, the coalition agreement says that

“a binding motion”

should be tabled

“before the House of Commons in the first days following this agreement”

to hold Westminster elections on the same day as the Scottish parliamentary elections. As a Parliament, can we urgently approach Westminster now to stop that?

Bruce Crawford

I have every sympathy with Margo MacDonald’s point. We in the Parliament worked hard to implement the Gould recommendation that the Parliament’s elections should be decoupled from and should not take place on the same day as local government elections. If elections for this place and Westminster were held on the same day, that would run contrary to the Gould recommendations. I can only hope that, in the rush to what is now a political oxymoron, the parties did not particularly examine their decision, and that we can persuade them over time to change their minds.


Child Poverty



2. To ask the Scottish Government, in light of the growing up in Scotland reports, what measures are being taken to tackle child poverty. (S3O-10499)

The Minister for Children and Early Years (Adam Ingram)

The growing up in Scotland reports confirm that the relationship between income poverty and other forms of disadvantage is very complex. The reports found that, although persistent low income is strongly associated with poor outcomes for children, it is highly contingent on other factors. Taken in isolation, it is not strongly associated, and many other types of disadvantage are important determinants of children’s outcomes.

Accordingly, our approach to tackling child poverty in Scotland, which is set out in our three key social policy frameworks—“Achieving Our Potential”, “Equally Well” and “Early Years Framework”—is broad based and holistic. It recognises that family income is a significant issue but that concentrating on income alone is not enough. Our three frameworks include measures to tackle child poverty from a range of angles, such as parenting support and income maximisation for families who are in poverty.

Aileen Campbell

Does the minister share my concern that child poverty—indeed, any form of domestic poverty—is not mentioned in the agreement that the United Kingdom coalition Government published yesterday? Will he and the Scottish Government reaffirm their commitment to ending the scandal of child poverty in Scotland? Does he agree that the best way of doing that is to give the Parliament the full powers of independence?

Adam Ingram

I absolutely agree that the best way for us to deal with child poverty in Scotland is by full independence being passed to the Parliament and the people of Scotland. We would have hoped that child poverty would be a top priority for the incoming Government. This is a missed opportunity for the Government to be more positive and to reaffirm the joint commitment to eradicating child poverty by 2020, to which all four countries in the UK have signed up. However, we remain committed to working with the new Government and the other devolved Administrations in a spirit of co-operation on our joint goal of achieving the 2020 child poverty targets.

Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab)

Although all members will express concern about the fact that child poverty is not a priority for the new Conservative-Liberal Government at Westminster, does the minister agree that the Scottish Government has considerable powers to help to eradicate child poverty? Does he also agree that breakfast clubs such as those that are run in my constituency are an excellent way of ensuring that children have a healthy and inexpensive start to their day and are properly set up for a day’s learning? Exactly what commitment does the Scottish Government have to ensuring that every child in Scotland has the best start to their day?

Our policy frameworks are well known to all members. I acknowledge and agree that the initiatives in Ms Whitefield’s area are positive contributions to those frameworks.


Local Health Services



3. To ask the Scottish Executive what importance it attaches to delivering health services at a local level. (S3O-10456)

We are committed to providing health care services as locally as is appropriate and possible.

Cathie Craigie

Is the cabinet secretary aware that NHS Lanarkshire has not invested in local health centres in Cumbernauld and Kilsyth in the past three years and is cutting—and proposing further cuts to—local services? For example, a registered blind 80-year-old woman living on her own has been told that she will not receive podiatry services from NHS Lanarkshire. Does the cabinet secretary believe that that is delivering at local level?

Nicola Sturgeon

If Cathie Craigie would like to write to me about the constituency case that she mentioned, I would be more than happy to look into the specifics.

NHS Lanarkshire, in common with national health service boards across the country, is investing in a range of services and initiatives to improve the quality of health care. It is right and proper that NHS boards do that, given that the NHS budget this year is £264 million larger than it was last year. It is important that that money is invested for the benefit of patients throughout Scotland. NHS Lanarkshire is still investing in the accident and emergency department at Monklands hospital, which would not exist if certain members had had their way. I am glad to say that the department is still open and is treating patients.

There are tough times ahead for the NHS, as there are for the whole public sector. The Government will strive, as it has done this year, to protect the NHS as far as is possible. I hope that all members who genuinely care about the NHS—I include Cathie Craigie in that definition—will come together and work together to do everything that they can to protect the NHS, which is so highly cherished by the people of Scotland.

Jamie Hepburn (Central Scotland) (SNP)

The cabinet secretary might be aware of proposed changes to out-of-hours services in parts of the NHS Lanarkshire area. She might also be aware of the proposed removal of X-ray services in Cumbernauld. Given that total expenditure in NHS Lanarkshire in 2005, under Labour, was £650 million, whereas total expenditure in 2009, under the current Government, was £850 million, does she agree that such changes cannot be justified on a financial basis?

Nicola Sturgeon

I am aware that NHS Lanarkshire is considering a number of proposals, to ensure best value for taxpayers’ investment. I also understand that no decisions have been made to date on out-of-hours or X-ray services. Local people should be assured that proposals from any health board that would significantly alter services must be subject to full public consultation and, in certain circumstances, to ministerial approval.

As I said to Cathie Craigie, and as Jamie Hepburn indicated, the health budget for NHS Lanarkshire and other health boards is higher this year than it has been in any other year—we have a record high health budget. It is important that the money is invested well, for the benefit of patients. It is also right and proper in the current financial climate that NHS boards consider where they can make efficiency savings in order to ensure that every pound of taxpayers’ money is spent wisely.


NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde (Meetings)



4. To ask the Scottish Executive when it last met representatives of NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. (S3O-10467)

I meet all health board chairs regularly. The next meeting is scheduled for 24 May.

Paul Martin

In response to a previous question the cabinet secretary referred to increased funds being made available to NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. She also referred to ministerial approval. Has she given ministerial approval for the redundancy notices that have been served on porters at Stobhill hospital, in my constituency?

Nicola Sturgeon

If Paul Martin writes to me about a constituency issue that concerns Stobhill hospital, I will be happy to look into it and respond to him in detail.

As I have said before, I value the contribution of every member of national health service staff as, I know, all members do. Together, NHS staff provide first-class services to the people of Scotland. As we go through the next few years, which will be challenging for everyone who works in the public sector, it will be important that we work together to do everything that we can to protect staff and the services that they provide.

Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP)

The cabinet secretary will be aware of the many on-going difficulties in community health and care partnerships, in particular in Glasgow. Last month, the British Medical Association said that CHCPs are

“expensive talking shops which have achieved very little.”

What safeguards are in place to ensure that CHCPs are fit for purpose?

Nicola Sturgeon

In principle, CHCPs and community health partnerships are a good idea, because they help to integrate health services with the services that local authorities provide. If CHCPs are to work effectively, it is important that health boards and local authorities go into them in a genuine spirit of partnership. I want that to be the case in the NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde area.

It is important that the people who take forward CHCPs listen to the views of the people who work on the front line, such as general practitioners, social workers and other health care professionals, and take full cognisance of their knowledge and experience to ensure that CHCPs develop in a way that is beneficial for the delivery of services and for the people who use services.


Food Products (Labelling)



5. To ask the Scottish Government what discussions it has had with European Union environment ministers regarding the labelling of food products with genetically modified contents. (S3O-10507)

Scottish ministers have attended meetings of the EU environment council, but that subject has not been discussed.

Rob Gibson

The European Parliament’s Environment, Public Health and Food Safety Committee has voted overwhelmingly in a second reading debate that

“Products produced from animals fed with genetically modified feeding stuffs must be labelled with the words ‘produced from animals fed with genetically modified feeding stuffs’.”

Is the minister aware of that? Can the Scottish Government help Scottish shoppers to benefit from the widespread wish in Europe to allow consumers a clear view of the GM content in animal feed that is used to produce food for human consumption?

Roseanna Cunningham

The EU is currently involved in a number of debates about regulation of genetically modified organisms in the EU area. The Scottish Government is, of course, in favour of transparency in food labelling and believes that Scottish shoppers have the right to know what they are buying. Our stance on genetically modified organisms is well known. However, I understand that, although GM animal feed must be labelled as being GM, the European Food Safety Authority says that it is impossible to detect genetically modified material in food products such as meat, milk and eggs from animals that have been fed on GM feed. Therefore, there are technical difficulties. That said, I note that the European Parliament and the member have suggested something a little different. The more general labelling idea is attractive, and I hope that it will be part of the Commission’s review of the GM regulations.


NHS Lothian (Meetings)



6. To ask the Scottish Executive when ministers last met NHS Lothian and what issues were discussed. (S3O-10476)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Nicola Sturgeon)

I met the chair of NHS Lothian on 17 March, when we discussed a wide range of matters that affect the delivery of patient services. As I said in an answer to a previous question, I will next meet the health board chairs as a group on 24 May. I also met NHS Lothian informally at the opening of NHS Lothian’s X-ray and ultrasound service yesterday.

There should be a little bit less noise from members, please.

From the cabinet secretary’s discussions with Lothian NHS Board, can she say whether the rezoning of patients from the west of Edinburgh to St John’s hospital is still being progressed? If it is not, why not?

Nicola Sturgeon

In general, when I meet NHS Lothian representatives, I take the time to discuss with them the considerable improvements that have been made at St John’s hospital over the past three years. I will elaborate on that for Mary Mulligan and other members. In-patient admissions to that hospital have increased by nearly 2 per cent, out-patient activity has increased by 43.5 per cent, and revenue expenditure at the hospital is up by 19 per cent. Those are all signs of the commitment that the Government has given to the future of St John’s as an acute hospital in Lothian.

On Mary Mulligan’s specific question, I understand that Lothian NHS Board has considered activity data for St John’s hospital and has concluded that the increases in day cases, elective patients and emergency medical admissions exceed by a considerable margin the contribution that would be expected from rezoning patients from the west of Edinburgh. I am more than happy to correspond with Mary Mulligan on the details of that and, indeed, on other developments at St John’s hospital.

Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab)

In view of the funding challenges that the national health service faces, does the cabinet secretary think that it is particularly important that each NHS board should get the funding share to which it is entitled under the NHS Scotland resource allocation committee formula? Is she concerned that, this year, NHS Lothian is getting 13.69 per cent of the cake although it is entitled to 14.61 per cent of it? That is a funding gap of £69 million. It is even more concerning that the gap is £5 million greater than it was last year.

Nicola Sturgeon

Malcolm Chisholm asks an important question, which he is right to ask as a member for the Lothians. As a former health minister, he is aware that a number of boards in Scotland, including NHS Lothian, get below their parity share of funding. That has not been the case only under the NRAC system; it was also the case under the previous allocation formula which, of course, the previous Government introduced. We have made a commitment, as the previous Government did, to move those boards’ funding up towards the share that they should receive as quickly as possible. That has to be done gradually because doing it in a one-off would involve taking money away from other boards. I do not think that that would be appropriate, which is why I have given a commitment that no board will lose any funding as we move towards the target shares under the NRAC. I hope that all members welcome that commitment.

Finally, Malcolm Chisholm will be aware that, for the past couple of years, NHS Lothian has received a greater increase in its budget than boards that are not below NRAC parity, for the purpose of bringing it closer to that. As long as we are able to continue to do that within the funding arrangements, we will continue to make progress.

The previous Government gave a green light for the replacement of Dalkeith medical centre but, so far, no work has started on that. Will the minister give an assurance that work will start soon? Can she give us a completion date for the work?

Nicola Sturgeon

I am more than happy to provide in writing to the member the detail on the timeline for Dalkeith medical centre. As members from all parts of the country know, we are seeing investment in health centres and medical centres throughout the country due to the record investment in the health service, including record capital investment. That is an incredibly good thing to see.