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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 02 Nov 2006

Meeting date: Thursday, November 2, 2006


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


Enterprise, Lifelong Learning and Transport


Cumbernauld (A80 Upgrade)

To ask the Scottish Executive how the community of Cumbernauld will benefit from the decision to follow the on-line route for the upgrade of the A80. (S2O-10939)

The community of Cumbernauld will benefit from that significant investment through reduced traffic noise, improved quality in local watercourses and better access between local roads and the M80.

Donald Gorrie:

Will the minister indicate whether consideration is being given to the possibility of an additional lane, which is something that is being discussed locally? If a major change of that sort was made, would it require a new public inquiry or could it just go ahead by ministerial decision?

The project will be taken forward as detailed in the previous local public inquiry. That was the recommendation that we received and on which we accepted the reporter's findings, and we have no plans to change that position.

Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):

I am sure that I speak for the people of Cumbernauld when I say that they would not wish the Executive to consider an additional lane. I await a response from the minister on the subject of bunding and fencing. The people of Cumbernauld want 3m-high bunding along the line of the road as it passes through Cumbernauld. Can the minister give me any further information on that?

Tavish Scott:

First, I apologise to Cathie Craigie for the length of time that it has taken to respond to her earlier inquiry. I hope to be able to provide a full technical answer to her points later today. There are some issues to be addressed and I respect the perspective that she has given on that issue on behalf of the residents who have raised it. I understand that the matter was fully examined in the context of the local public inquiry, at which evidence was led about noise. I understand that the Executive's response was made by Dr Bernadette McKell, an acknowledged expert in the area, and I hope to share the findings of Dr McKell's work with Cathie Craigie later today.


National Transport Strategy

To ask the Scottish Executive when it will publish the final draft of the national transport strategy and its analysis of responses to the recent consultation. (S2O-10956)

The Minister for Transport (Tavish Scott):

Scotland's first national transport strategy will be published before the end of this year. At the same time, an independent analysis of the responses to the consultation that was carried out as part of the development of the strategy will be published.

Patrick Harvie:

I draw the minister's attention to the Executive's website, which is still promising a publication date in October, although close reading of my Business Bulletin informs me that today is 2 November. We all look forward to publication of the strategy, but can the minister tell us whether, in the period of delay before publication, there will be time to analyse the strategy in the light of the Stern report's recommendations on climate change?

Tavish Scott:

I am grateful to Patrick Harvie for keeping me up to date. I must ensure that the website is fully updated after question time this afternoon. I can assure him that the broad spread of the science behind climate change has been taken into consideration in the national transport strategy. A key aspect of the Stern report, which was published on Monday, is that it makes an economic analysis of the science, and in that regard it is an important piece of work. I can also assure Mr Harvie that a voluntary strategic environmental assessment was undertaken in relation to the national transport strategy, which I hope will assist in the overall consideration of the environmental pressures that we all undoubtedly face.

Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):

In his review of the national transport strategy, will the minister take into account the live petition from the association of Caithness community councils, which seeks a strategic root-and-branch review of the provision of rail services from Caithness to Inverness? Will he perhaps come and visit the petitioners by taking the train from Inverness to Caithness with me?

Tavish Scott:

That is a kind offer and I will see what I can do about it.

I hope that Mr Gibson will appreciate that we have worked with First ScotRail to augment the rail services to the far north, particularly on connections to Scrabster and ferry services to Orkney. I understand that the timetabling changes will be implemented in December, and I hope that they will assist people in the area. I will certainly work in both the national transport strategy and the strategic projects review on issues such as rail connections to the far north, and I respect the interest that the member takes.

Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con):

On road improvements, can the minister offer some comfort to the frustrated residents of the west Highlands and Islands and confirm that the proposed upgrading of the hazardous pulpit rock section of the A82 from Tarbet to Crianlarich will be treated with the utmost urgency and will be completed within the next two years at the very latest? I know that the minister is familiar with the route.

Tavish Scott:

I am grateful to Dave Petrie for raising the issue, and I will look into the timetabling questions that he has asked. It is clearly a long-standing issue, and it is important that we bring forward our plans and, more to the point, the contract that will deliver the improvements as quickly as possible. I will look into the matter and write to the member.

Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP):

Is the minister in a position to share with Parliament the balance of opinion in the submissions to the national transport strategy on the case for dualling the A9 between Perth and Inverness? Can he tell me what steps he will take to direct the national transport strategy to support the option? I certainly submitted to it that the case for dualling was robust and should be taken forward as part of the strategy.

Tavish Scott:

I am beginning to think that this question allows any transport question on anywhere in Scotland to be raised, and I applaud Mr Swinney's ability in finding such an opportunity.

I am aware of the arguments on dualling the A9, and I also know that Mr Swinney has made a formal submission to the consultation on it and other matters. As he and Parliament will know, we are considering the section between Perth and Pitlochry in the strategic projects review. For the rest of the road, we are continuing to work on the issue of journey times—that is one of the cornerstones of our approach—and we hope to make further progress in due course.


Rail Fares (North-east Scotland)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will regulate rail fares for passengers in the north-east of Scotland in the same way as it does for passengers in Edinburgh and Glasgow. (S2O-10950)

We will shortly review fares policy, including issues relating to fares regulation.

I am sure that the minister is aware that First ScotRail has increased some passenger fares between Aberdeen and Edinburgh by up to 50 per cent. Will he raise the issue with First ScotRail at the earliest opportunity?

Tavish Scott:

I will certainly take the opportunity to raise the point with First ScotRail. Indeed, given the investments that we make in both the franchise and the network, I have already discussed with it the broad relationship between fares and our clear transport policy position of encouraging people to switch from the car to forms of public transport, including Scotland's rail network. I appreciate Mr Rumbles's concern, and I would be happy to take it up with the company.


Age Discrimination

To ask the Scottish Executive what the implications are of the new age discrimination laws for skills and training providers. (S2O-10887)

The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Nicol Stephen):

It is the responsibility of individual employers and training providers to ensure that they comply with the legislation. We welcome the Employment Equality (Age) Regulations 2006, although it is important to mention that certain age-related practices may continue to be justifiable if they are considered a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Brian Adam:

Is the minister aware that Scottish Enterprise local enterprise companies are providing advice to the providers of such training. They are being told in no uncertain terms that the Executive will stick with its age-related funding plans while telling the providers that it is their responsibility to deal with anything that comes up?

The advice states:

"Providers and employers, however, cannot use the fact that Scottish Enterprise is not contributing towards the funding of a particular age group as a defence against the Age Legislation."

Surely providers are almost being encouraged to break the law.

Nicol Stephen:

Modern apprenticeships are and will continue to be available to people of all ages. Although the enterprise networks support modern apprenticeships for people of all ages in all sectors, the support is divided up according to age. There are three distinct categories: age 16 to 19, age 19 to 25 and age 25 plus. Scottish Enterprise has considered all the legalities and the impact of the legislation on its training programmes. It has consulted closely the Scottish Executive and the Department for Work and Pensions, which will continue to apply a cut-off at the age of 25 under the new deal.

Young people are at a higher risk of work that is not sustained, poor career progression and low income. A range of reasons can be given for targeting training opportunities at the 16-to-19 age group and those young people who are not in education, employment or training. In the opinion of both Scottish Enterprise and the Department for Work and Pensions, a cut-off at the age of 25 is and will remain justified under the new legislative framework.


New Forth Crossing

To ask the Scottish Executive what progress has been made in the decision-making process about a new crossing for the Forth at North Queensferry. (S2O-10902)

The Minister for Transport (Tavish Scott):

We are taking forward the planning work that must be done if a replacement crossing of the Forth is needed. Therefore, planning is under way through the strategic transport projects review. Five detailed reports have been commissioned and will be completed by next May. The reports will be submitted on 3 November, 30 November, 31 December, 30 April 2007 and 31 May 2007.

That work will allow ministers to take any necessary decision next summer as part of the spending review 2007. At that point, ministers will have an analysis of the condition of the current bridge, options for a replacement crossing—which will include type, form and location—funding and procurement options and legislative requirements. Ministers' possession of the fullest possible information will allow them to make a decision that is based on a comprehensive analysis of options, risks and costs. Full details of the reports will be placed in the Scottish Parliament information centre.

Helen Eadie:

I thank the minister for that answer and for the exchange of correspondence in which he has engaged with me. However, I must express genuine frustration and concern on behalf of the people of east-central Scotland, who believe that the minister has done very little work on the matter since he first gave an assurance to Parliament in the spring of this year. The public perception is that he has been dragging his feet and the perception of those who are closest to the coalface is that he has done little or nothing, especially on environmental impact assessment issues and a variety of technical matters. For the well-being of the Scottish economy, it is imperative that a new crossing is considered urgently and with haste.

Tavish Scott:

I gave a full answer on what we are doing. It is now on the record that five reports will be submitted later this year and next year. The work that must be done, regardless of when the decision is taken, is being done. That is what businesses and local people expect. We are talking about a decision that will be of great significance for the Government of the day. In my view, it would be wrong to take a decision now, without doing all the necessary work. Ministers must have the full analysis when they make their decision. As I said in my initial answer, the fact that that analysis is being provided will ensure that the ministers of the day have the full information.

As it is unlikely that we will reach question 9, any member who wished to ask a follow-up to question 9 should do so now.

Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):

Does Mr Scott recall that almost a year ago, the First Minister told me that it would be particularly stupid to carry out the work that he has just announced? Does the minister agree that if that work had been carried out a year ago, the decision could have been made this summer instead of next summer? Will he give a commitment that, regardless of which design is chosen, the Executive agrees in principle to the building of a new Forth crossing, thereby ending once and for all the uncertainty for businesses in Fife and the north?

Tavish Scott:

Governments must take decisions on the basis of full information and we are ensuring that the work is being done to allow that to happen. I would have thought that any responsible Opposition would agree with that approach and I am disappointed that the Scottish National Party does not.

I finish by quoting at Tricia Marwick Mr Salmond, who said on 5 September:

"Certainly the planning should be done now because you've got to plan for the eventuality. You don't build something unless you have to."

Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):

I thank the minister for his response to Helen Eadie. It is clear that on both sides of the Forth there is frustration and concern that we should make progress as quickly as possible. I would like an assurance that the report that is being prepared for the minister not only considers the general issues but goes a step further, so that if a decision is taken that a new Forth crossing is required, some of the practical work to address engineering issues—whether for a bridge, a tunnel or whatever—that forms part of the planning that the minister talked about will have been done. There are concerns that we might get another general report, rather than a report that covers some of the hard practical planning to which the minister alluded.

Tavish Scott:

As I said in my answer to Helen Eadie's initial question, one of the pieces of work that is being done, on which a report will be produced before next May, is on the options for a replacement crossing, covering type, form and location. I assure Margaret Smith that that will include the kind of detail that she is looking for. I repeat the somewhat obvious point that no minister or Government could take a decision without the fullest possible analysis of such issues, which is what will be produced.

Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

Does the minister accept that damage is already being done to the Fife economy due to the uncertainty that is being created about the Forth crossing? Although I appreciate that work on the detail needs to continue, businesses throughout Fife and the east of Scotland are looking for a commitment in principle to replace the Forth crossing to ensure that we do not see a meltdown in the east of Scotland economy.

Tavish Scott:

Let us try to keep to a rational, objective assessment of the situation. The difficulty with that argument is that it suggests that Governments should always take a decision in principle and then consider the evidence to see whether the decision should stand. We are doing it the right way round. We are ensuring that the work and planning in all these areas—which members in all parties will acknowledge must be done—is done, to ensure that we take a decision at the right time with the right information. That is what we will do.

Marilyn Livingstone (Kirkcaldy) (Lab):

I hear what the minister says, but I have to agree with my colleagues that for people in my constituency, the whole of Fife and the wider east of Scotland, the issue is the uncertainty. The reports from the bridgemasters have said that there are issues with the bridge. People, in particular those who rely on haulage going across the bridge, are talking about relocating businesses outwith the Fife economy, which must be a worry for us. If the issues with the bridge remain, I do not see why we cannot have a decision in principle to have a new crossing.

You must ask a question.

What can the minister do to reassure companies in Fife that the situation is being addressed as a matter of urgency and that a decision will be made quickly?

Tavish Scott:

I am not sure what more I can add to the answers that I have already given without repeating exactly what I have said. I appreciate the points about the haulage industry; indeed, we had a fair airing of those points during the Local Government and Transport Committee's debate on these matters a week or so ago. That debate was helpful in allowing us to understand those points fully.

I assure Marilyn Livingstone that we are taking these matters forward and that we are doing the work. I have detailed what the work packages will be. Further information on them will be placed in SPICe, as I said a moment or so ago. We will continue that work and will take the right decision at the right time.


Economic Development (North Ayrshire)

To ask the Scottish Executive what importance it places on increasing economic development opportunities in North Ayrshire. (S2O-10924)

The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Allan Wilson):

We place great importance on increasing economic development in North Ayrshire. Along with the local authority, Communities Scotland and other local partners, Scottish Enterprise is making a significant contribution to the North Ayrshire economy. That contribution will be further enhanced by Scottish Enterprise Ayrshire's involvement in the urban regeneration company for Irvine bay and the surrounding area.

Irene Oldfather:

I welcome in particular the urban regeneration package, which will assist in upskilling, retraining and bringing much-needed jobs to the local area. Does the minister agree that, in addition to those measures, any strategy on economic development depends on connectivity through social and transport infrastructure? To that end, will the minister discuss with his colleagues additional measures that could be taken, in particular the upgrading of the A737, to support the measures that he has already outlined?

Allan Wilson:

I would be pleased to give that commitment. I agree with the underlying premise in the question, which is that implementing improvements in communications—in this instance, roads infrastructure—is vital to future economic development. That was exemplified in the previous discussion about Fife. Of course, the £26 million three-towns bypass helped to open up North Ayrshire to wider access and greater inward investment. The completion of the Scottish transport appraisal guidance report on the design work for the Dalry bypass will now be taken forward in the context of the strategic roads review that the Minister for Transport referred to.


Justice and Law Officers

Question 1 has been withdrawn, as Phil Gallie is on a Commonwealth Parliamentary Association assignment.


Antisocial Behaviour

To ask the Scottish Executive what measures are being taken to expand diversionary projects to prevent antisocial behaviour. (S2O-10898)

The Deputy Minister for Justice (Hugh Henry):

The local action fund provides £5 million a year to help voluntary sector, sporting and cultural organisations that work with young people to provide interesting and attractive activities as alternatives to antisocial behaviour.

The youth crime prevention fund and the intensive support fund have provided investment of more than £20 million over a four-year period to enable local authorities and voluntary organisations to improve their services, including widening the range of crime prevention projects for young offenders, increasing the support that is available for their parents and victims, increasing the level of community-based supervision of young offenders and supporting those returning to their communities from secure accommodation.

Sarah Boyack:

Will the minister discuss with the Minister for Justice, Cathy Jamieson, a recent meeting that she attended in my constituency, at which local people were extremely concerned that not enough diversionary projects are in place for young people? Does the minister agree that we need to monitor the effectiveness of diversionary projects, because we have a small but persistent number of young people whom the criminal justice system is not dealing with effectively? There is great dissatisfaction with the effectiveness of our policies to break the cycle of crime that some young people are trapped in. That is a huge issue for people, not only because of the impact of that behaviour on communities, but because of its effect on the futures of those young people. Will the minister agree to consider the number of diversionary projects in Edinburgh and the number of secure places, so that we can have a comprehensive strategy that gives young people the right kind of support but which also challenges them? That is how we can turn them away from a life of crime.

Hugh Henry:

As Sarah Boyack said, a complex range of issues affect antisocial behaviour. She is right to focus on the need for effective diversionary activities.

We take seriously the question of secure accommodation places, and we have expanded the secure estate. I look forward to the new and improved facilities making a major impact throughout Scotland.

Diversionary activities are best designed and delivered locally. Our commitment should be to provide the necessary funding, which we have done. In Edinburgh, there has been a range of activities, such as arts activities, youth agency activities and outdoor education activities. There is a lot of support for young people. All of those activities have a contribution to make, but Sarah Boyack is right to say that local agencies, local providers and others whom we fund should examine carefully how effectively the funding is used. We should always strive to ensure that we get better outcomes for the money that we invest and, where necessary, obtain additional funding.


Fireworks Act 2003

To ask the Scottish Executive how many complaints to the police there have been under the Fireworks Act 2003 and what steps it is taking to stop the sale of fireworks to those aged under 18. (S2O-10948)

The Minister for Justice (Cathy Jamieson):

The number of firework or bonfire-related incidents reported to police in the period around 5 November was 5,293 in 2003, 4,551 in 2004 and 4,905 in 2005.

Trading standards officers are working closely with police to prevent underage sales. Community wardens are working with local agencies and communities to make neighbourhoods safer in the run-up to bonfire night. I hope that this year everyone who wants to can go out and enjoy firework displays in their communities without having to tolerate the antisocial nuisance that is caused by the irresponsible use of fireworks.

Iain Smith:

I agree with the sentiments that the minister has expressed.

We all enjoy a good fireworks display, but the misuse of fireworks causes problems in our communities. The minister will be aware that, although there was a welcome drop in the number of injuries from fireworks after the passing of the 2003 act, there was an increase in the number of such injuries last year, most of which were attributed to incidents that happened in the street. A number of those incidents involved mid-teen children. Does the minister agree that that remains a serious problem and that we must work hard with communities to get the message across that the misuse of fireworks is dangerous and a nuisance? Will she work with trading standards officers and the police to ensure that shops do not sell fireworks to under-18s?

Cathy Jamieson:

As I said, trading standards officers are already working closely with the police. For safety reasons, we want fireworks to be used responsibly. It is tragic that so many people have been injured by fireworks and that people are put at risk by their irresponsible use. I want to ensure that we do as much as we can, working in co-operation with trading standards officers and our colleagues at Westminster, as some of the issues relating to fireworks are reserved. We have had good co-operation up to now, and I expect that to continue.


Alcohol (Sales to Intoxicated People)

To ask the Scottish Executive how many people have been prosecuted for selling alcohol to customers who are already intoxicated in the Fife region and nationwide in the last three years. (S2O-10943)

The Lord Advocate (Mrs Elish Angiolini):

In the three financial years from 2003 to 2006, a total of 50 charges of selling alcohol to a drunken person were reported to the procurators fiscal throughout Scotland. Seventeen of those charges resulted in a prosecution and 16 were dealt with by an alternative to prosecution. During that period, one person was prosecuted in Fife.

What additional steps is the Executive taking to counter the culture of binge drinking in Scotland?

The Lord Advocate:

The member will be aware of the implementation of the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005, which presents a completely new framework within which enforcement can take place, especially in relation to the planned prohibition of happy hours and initiatives that may encourage concentrated drinking. We see evidence of such drinking in a number of young people who are accused of crimes or are the victims of crime.

In addition, the test purchasing pilot scheme that is taking place in Fife at the moment is proving successful. We are watching it closely and we will evaluate it. All 900 licensed premises in Fife are to be tested and targeted through the scheme. By 16 October, 521 premises had been tested, of which 74 failed and will be the subject of consideration for prosecution.

Those are effective measures that can be taken under the new framework. I am optimistic that the difficulties that we have had in the past in attempting to prove offences will be overcome more effectively with the new tools that we have as a result of the 2005 act.

Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab):

I am pleased to hear the Lord Advocate mention the test purchasing scheme in Fife, which has been successful in my constituency as well.

Does the Lord Advocate accept that there would be fewer prosecutions if better training were given to bar staff by their employers? Will she agree to discuss with procurators fiscal and relevant ministers how that training might be improved so that young people—who are predominantly those employed as casual labour in bars—are well aware of their responsibilities under the 2005 act?

The Lord Advocate:

Procurators fiscal throughout Scotland are working in our communities to raise the profile of all aspects of antisocial behaviour. Indeed, many licensed premises have taken significant steps to train their staff in the health and safety issues that are central to their responsibility not to serve alcohol to persons who may be intoxicated or underage. That responsibility falls squarely on the employers, and failure to comply with the legislation may result in prosecution.

Procurators fiscal are happy to speak to licensees about the legislation and to assist with the training of staff where circumstances permit within the local community. They are doing that with all aspects of the community. It is in everyone's interests to ensure that, as far as possible, the legislation is enforced briskly by licence holders throughout Scotland, most of whom fulfil their duties responsibly.


Drink and Drug-driving Arrests (Hamilton and Bellshill)

To ask the Scottish Executive how many people were arrested for drink and drug-driving in the Hamilton and Bellshill area during the last festive season. (S2O-10916)

Strathclyde police have advised us that 19 drink-driving or drug-driving crimes were recorded in the Hamilton and Bellshill area between 16 December 2005 and 4 January 2006.

Michael McMahon:

Obviously, the minister will agree that one drink-driving or drug-driving offence is one too many.

In the wider context, does the minister agree that, as we look forward to the festive season, what people want most of all is a peaceful and safe Christmas? What plans does the Executive have to mount campaigns or launch strategies that will ensure that communities are safe in the Christmas period?

Cathy Jamieson:

I agree that people want to be able to enjoy themselves over the festive period, but we must ensure that our communities are as safe as they can possibly be. A campaign that highlights the consequences and dangers of drink-driving is already under way. It will run throughout the Christmas period and into the early new year.

Michael McMahon made a valid point about the potential prevalence of other forms of crime during the festive period and the potential for people to be victims of those crimes when they are out shopping or out and about in our towns and cities. The Executive takes that matter seriously. I will consider what else we can do to highlight such issues.


Reliance

To ask the Scottish Executive what reviews have been undertaken of the record of Reliance in relation to prisoner escapes. (S2O-10886)

A review is conducted every time there is an escape, attempted escape or significant incident.

Bruce Crawford:

Is the minister aware that a number of my constituents have been attacked or traumatised by prisoners who have escaped from Reliance's custody? Will she review Reliance's contract and ensure that it is amended, so that individuals who are injured or traumatised by escaped prisoners are appropriately compensated when it can be shown that Reliance has been negligent?

Cathy Jamieson:

Bruce Crawford has written to me about an incident at Stirling royal infirmary that involved one of his constituents. The local member of Parliament, Gordon Banks, has written to me about the same incident. I understand that Gordon Banks was offered the opportunity to meet Reliance to discuss the incident further, as there is clearly an issue for the company. I am sure that Bruce Crawford can also meet Reliance and that he will want to take up the opportunity to do so.


Youth Courts

To ask the Scottish Executive when it expects to make a decision about the extension of the youth court model. (S2O-10954)

A decision on the future of youth courts will be taken soon, and will be based on a final evaluation, which we intend to publish shortly.

Mark Ballard:

I look forward, as the minister does, to the results of the pilot project.

To what extent will any decision to adopt adult-style hearings for 16 to 18-year-olds be dictated by cost factors rather than judicial considerations? What is the minister's response to criticisms that the youth court model is being used as a cheaper alternative to extending the children's hearings system to deal with 16 to 18-year-olds, as many leading children's charities have suggested?

Cathy Jamieson:

I am sure that the member will take a close interest in the published evaluation.

I assure the member that there is no truth in any rumour that the youth court model is being used as a cheaper alternative to dealing with matters in the children's hearings system. Youth courts were introduced because we believed that doing so was right as part of the process of dealing with the problem of persistent offenders, particularly 16 and 17-year-old offenders.

When I have visited projects related to the youth courts and discussed issues with people who work in them, I have been told that, far from being in direct contradiction to children's hearings, the youth court model has effectively incorporated some of the best qualities of children's hearings in getting to the root of problems, solving them and dealing with the issues in young people's lives. At the same time, the youth court model gives young people a clear indication that offending behaviour will not be tolerated.

Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con):

The latest figures reveal that the Scottish Executive has failed to reach its target of cutting youth crime by 10 per cent. Does the minister now agree that 14 and 15-year-olds—who make up 66 per cent of the total number of persistent young offenders—should be sent to youth courts rather than to children's panels?

Cathy Jamieson:

We have always said that the possibility exists to involve 15-year-olds in the pilot schemes. The important point is to do what is effective. As people know, I am not happy that we have not had a consistent approach throughout Scotland in dealing with persistent offenders—the small number of people who cause the most grief in communities. Everybody has a responsibility to try to deal with that problem.

It will be important to consider the findings of the youth court pilot schemes, decide what has been effective and try to learn lessons. I want to speak to the Parliament once we have the evaluation.


Operation Triplicate

To ask the Scottish Executive what progress is being made in freezing and seizing the assets of those arrested during the recent operation triplicate police raids. (S2O-10917)

The Solicitor General for Scotland (John Beckett):

Presiding Officer, the question relates to on-going criminal investigations, therefore you will appreciate that it would be inappropriate for the Crown to comment on these live cases at this stage.

Mr McNeil:

I thank the Solicitor General for Scotland for that answer, and on behalf of the chamber I welcome him here today. [Applause.]

I want to put on record the sense of satisfaction that my community felt on hearing that tens of thousands of pounds-worth of money and drugs were seized during the recent operation triplicate raids. Will the Solicitor General assure me that the new powers that allow the courts to seize suspects' assets at the start of criminal investigations are being used to their full extent? When will he be able to outline how many houses, bank accounts or other assets have been either seized or frozen in my constituency?

I do not know whether you can add to your previous answer, Solicitor General.

The Solicitor General for Scotland:

I can say something, Presiding Officer, but first I thank everybody for their generous welcome.

I reassure Mr McNeil that the Crown is committed to continuing to use the full range of criminal and civil measures to tackle and inhibit serious criminal activity, including drug dealing. That is evidenced by the lowering of the cash-seizure threshold for civil recovery. That approach is shaking the confidence of criminals, emptying their pockets and benefiting communities. We are committed to continuing with such measures. Our success is vouched for by the £1.8 million that was recovered in the six months to the end of September.

Any other comment will have to await the termination of the present proceedings.


Confiscation of Assets

To ask the Scottish Executive what volume of the assets confiscated from drug dealers under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 has been returned to local communities. (S2O-10949)

The Deputy Minister for Justice (Hugh Henry):

Communities the length and breadth of the country have benefited from the national drug dealers don't care campaign, which was funded by £1 million recovered under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 and resulted in 175 arrests and the seizure of a total of £1 million in cash and drugs.

This year, the six local authorities hardest hit by serious violent crime will benefit from a further £2 million of reinvestment, which includes the provision of twilight basketball, localised drug dealers don't care, do you? campaigns, evening and weekend sports initiatives, vehicles such as closed-circuit television vans and graffiti clear-up vans, after-hours clubs and youth outreach work.

Nora Radcliffe:

That answer is encouraging.

In an earlier answer, the minister outlined what the Executive is doing to fund diversionary projects for young people, which are important. Does he agree that the ill-gotten gains of drug dealers should properly be applied to measures that help to take young people out of the market for drugs, and that such measures should be maximised?

Hugh Henry:

We will continue to consider imaginative ways of ensuring that the communities that are worst affected by drug dealing see some tangible benefits from the assets that are recovered. There is nothing worse for a community than seeing known drug dealers not only persist with their trade but, sometimes after conviction, continue to lead a life of relative luxury. As the Solicitor General outlined, we intend to ensure that such people are punished through proceedings in the criminal courts that affect their luxury lifestyle. We will think imaginatively about how that money will be used. The worst-affected communities can be assured that there will be tangible benefits from the results of police activity and from the tremendous amounts of information that members of the public have provided through Crimestoppers. I thank all the courageous members of the public who have helped to make arrests a reality.