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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, February 21, 2013


Contents


General Question Time


Local Produce



1. To ask the Scottish Government how it is encouraging people to purchase fresh, local produce. (S4O-01819)

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

It is vital that the people of Scotland have access to the fantastic range of food and drink products that we have right here on our doorstep, and this offering is also available to all those who visit our shores, of course. That is why, over the next three years, we will invest £3.2 million to support think local and the community food fund; to support Scottish food champions to encourage our tourism businesses to offer Scottish produce; to support sourcing for growth—which is about bringing together our local supply chains—and to support prestigious food and drink events across the country, such as our annual Scottish food and drink fortnight.

We are ramping up our efforts so that our local food and drink sector is ready for 2014—and beyond—and all the opportunities that are presented.

Jean Urquhart

I thank the cabinet secretary for his reply. What action is the Government taking to spread a culture of belief in buying local produce? Such produce is often perceived as having an expensive price tag, but in fact it can be the most economical way of feeding a family. Action in this area could be processed through the education system or could involve other aspects of the buying and use of local produce.

Richard Lochhead

That is an important point on a topical theme. It is, indeed, the case that families can have affordable, healthy and nutritious meals using local ingredients when they cook at home, and food education has a large role to play in that. Michael Russell, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, and I are working together on a number of food education initiatives to ensure, at least, that the next generation is able to do that.

However, we have to find ways in which to encourage all families to source more local ingredients. We are working through some of the initiatives that I mentioned in my original answer, as well as with retailers and our primary producers in the wider food industry in Scotland. The suggestion is certainly something that we support.


Scottish Police Authority



2. To ask the Scottish Government under what circumstances it will give direction to the Scottish Police Authority. (S4O-01820)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

The Scottish Government provides direction to the Scottish Police Authority on an on-going basis in a range of different ways. We have a strong working relationship with the SPA and we continue to support the authority on a daily basis. The Scottish Government also has a range of specific responsibilities, which include agreeing and putting in place an appropriate framework document, setting the SPA’s strategic priorities, approving its strategic police plan and setting its annual budget.

Alison McInnes

Iain Whyte, an SPA board member, has been quoted as saying:

“We”—

that is, the SPA—

“want to be able to say, ‘Yesterday you charged over there and started a murder investigation, pulled in all these resources. Did you need to do that?’”

He has also been quoted as saying:

“Other than that you should not tell them”—

that is, officers—

“who to arrest, there aren’t any no-go areas.”

Are we now to expect that the SPA will at every turn try to second-guess senior investigation officers? Is that really the role that the cabinet secretary envisaged for the SPA or does he agree that he might need to invoke his power of direction? During the passage of the bill, the cabinet secretary refused to define the operational independence—

I think that we have got the question, Ms McInnes.

Does the cabinet secretary now regret that?

Kenny MacAskill

I have had no need to invoke the power of direction. I have been working closely with the SPA, as have my staff and the chief constable and his staff. I disagree with some of the comments that have been attributed to Iain Whyte, but I hold him in high regard. He served as the convener of the board of Lothian and Borders Police.

Those matters will be sorted out between the police board and the authority. It is clear in the legislation that operational matters are for the chief constable. That is how it was, that is how it is and that is how it will remain.


School Closures



3. To ask the Scottish Government what importance is placed on Education Scotland’s findings on local authority plans to close schools. (S4O-01821)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010 makes it clear that educational benefits should be a key consideration when an education authority proposes a significant change to its schools estate. When an education authority proposes a school closure, there is a statutory requirement that it must provide an educational benefits statement, and Education Scotland must provide an independent report on the educational aspects.

The Education Scotland report, along with the education authority’s proposal paper, the consultation report and any representations that are received, are all considered when it is determined whether Scottish ministers should call in a school closure proposal, where it appears to them that a council might have failed in a significant regard to comply with statutory requirements, or to take proper account of a material consideration.

Jamie Hepburn

Where Education Scotland finds that a proposal does not give sufficient consideration to the impact on the local community of closing a school; where it takes the view that closure might have a detrimental impact on the education of some young people, particularly those with additional support needs, who require careful transition planning; where it finds that stakeholders are justifiably concerned about the timescale for implementation and the lack of evidence on the possible detrimental effect on young people’s education; and where it finds that concerns about the walking route are also justified, would the cabinet secretary expect any local authority to amend its proposals significantly?

Michael Russell

Once Education Scotland has submitted a report containing such information, the education authority must explain, in its final consultation report, how it has reviewed its proposal in the light of the Education Scotland report, and of any other representations that it has received. In determining a school closure case, I will of course look closely at the Education Scotland report and the authority’s response to it, along with the other relevant documentation.

Will Education Scotland give any weight to the informal consultation in the East Dunbartonshire Council area, which has been deeply flawed and has caused a great deal of misery?

Michael Russell

Internal consultations are not part of the legislation and so do not form part of the process. The informal consultation that is being undertaken by East Dunbartonshire Council invites views on a number of options. The council has a statutory duty to ensure that there is adequate and efficient provision of school education in its area, and it is accountable for the decisions that it takes. I understand, however, that the council has not taken any firm decision. If East Dunbartonshire Council formally proposes to close a school, the clear statutory process that is in place requires it to undertake a public consultation—as is set out in the Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010.

It would not be appropriate for me to comment on any aspect of an informal consultation, given that I might have a statutory role to play in any subsequent process.

Can members check that they do not have their mobile phones close to any speakers? I am getting feedback in my ears.


Child Protection (Alleged Sexual Abuse)



4. To ask the Scottish Government what protection there is for young children in cases where allegations of sexual abuse have been made but no evidence has been found. (S4O-01822)

The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)

In all cases where allegations of child sexual abuse have been raised, social services, the police and other relevant agencies must ensure the safety of the child and identify whether any on-going actions are necessary to protect the child and others. A range of issues is considered, including whether the child needs counselling or therapy. Local authorities assess each case on its own merits to determine what level of support and protection is required by the child, for the immediate future and in the longer term.

Margaret McDougall

As the minister knows, some young children do not respond well to interview and, for one reason or another, a physical examination is not carried out. Then, despite a family member still having concerns for the child’s wellbeing, no further investigation is carried out by the police or social services, because they say that there is no evidence to prove that abuse is occurring.

In such cases—where, in effect, the cycle of abuse is being allowed to continue—what steps will the Government take to ensure that the child comes first and his or her rights are protected? At present, it seems that, until the child can articulate what has been happening, there is no case to answer and the child continues to be at risk of abuse.

Aileen Campbell

The Scottish Government does not tolerate any form of abuse at all. Our practices are delivered through the prism of the getting it right for every child approach, and we want to ensure the safety and protection of our most vulnerable children.

There are always opportunities to refresh guidance and to find ways of improving the situation. Recently, we have achieved three significant gains in our manifesto. We published the national framework for child protection, learning and development—the risk assessment framework and child protection guidance for health professionals. We are also in the process of refreshing the national child protection guidance that was published in 2010, and intend to publish that later this year.

There are strict guidelines for how to approach a child with regard to the sensitive situation that we are discussing. There is guidance on how to conduct interviews. Opportunities to further improve the situation are presented by the Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill, which is about improving the way in which vulnerable witnesses are treated in courts.

There are a variety of opportunities and a range of on-going work. Through the prism of GIRFEC, we seek to ensure that we get it right for every child in Scotland.


Access to Further Education (Fife)



5. To ask the Scottish Government what assessment it has made of the impact that college mergers will have on access to courses in Fife. (S4O-01823)

The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)

The Fife colleges have yet to submit to me their business case in support of merger—to which the colleges declared a commitment last November—but when they do so, I will consider it carefully. I will also consult all those who might have an interest in the prospective merger before I decide whether to approve it.

Willie Rennie

That does not seem to be a commitment that there will be no reduction in access to courses in Fife. I will continue to press the cabinet secretary on the issue, which is important in the context of the proposed change.

I want the cabinet secretary to go further and to consider whether people should be able to access courses throughout Fife and not just in the traditional places in the region. Will he consider supporting a college base in St Andrews, which up to now has not had the further education support that it needs?

Michael Russell

Mr Rennie should not put words in my mouth. I made it clear that I have not seen the business case. When I have seen it, I will consider it, and of course I will consider representations on it. I will take what I have just heard as a representation on the business case.

Of course, colleges should look at the totality of the region in which they are set. That is one of the advantages of regionalisation. I hope that as the colleges come together they will consider serving all those who wish to take up courses in Fife. That will be another benefit of regionalisation, which I am sure will get a warm welcome from all Fife MSPs, including Mr Rennie.


Passport System



6. To ask the Scottish Government when a Scottish passport system will be in place if Scotland separates from the rest of the United Kingdom. (S4O-01824)

I would expect a Scottish passport system to be in place on independence. [Applause.] That is the easiest applause that I have ever had.

On doorsteps and in surgeries, I have been asked by constituents what will happen to their passports in the unfortunate circumstances of a yes vote in 2014—[Interruption.]

Order. Let us hear the member.

Mary Fee

Can the minister tell members and the people of Scotland what will happen to their current British passports? Will there be a cost involved in changing over by 2016? Will the British Government honour people’s current passports? Will Scottish people have access to British embassies around the world after separation?

Humza Yousaf

I was not even born in 1979, but that sounded like a throwback to those days.

Mary Fee can reassure her constituents that we have always said that we would have inclusive and open citizenship—unless she has information that the United Kingdom Government will give dual citizenship to people of every nation on this earth except an independent Scotland. We will give details in the white paper later this year. The member can reassure people that the sky will not fall in, the earth will not swallow up her constituents and the Messiah will not have to postpone his second coming, come an independent Scotland.


Renewables Target 2020



7. To ask the Scottish Government how many wind turbines will need to be erected to meet its target of providing 100 per cent of Scotland’s electricity needs from renewable sources by 2020. (S4O-01825)

The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)

We expect and want a wide range of renewables technologies to be developed to help Scotland to meet its target. That range includes onshore and offshore wind turbines, in the right places, guided by a planning and consent process that we will ensure remains fit for purpose.

Murdo Fraser

What is the Scottish Government’s response to the recent academic study that was published by the eminent scientist Professor Gordon Hughes of the University of Edinburgh? The report reveals that although newly erected wind turbines have a load factor of 28 per cent, the load factor falls by half, to 15 per cent, after 15 years of life, which means that to meet renewable energy targets we would need twice as many wind turbines as are currently proposed. Surely the research drives a coach and horses through the Scottish Government’s energy strategy.

Fergus Ewing

It was David Cameron who said:

“We need more wind farms”.

The Scottish Government is committed to a mix of sources of electricity. Of course, renewable energy supports 11,000 jobs in Scotland, and last year renewable energy contributed a greater proportion of Scotland’s electricity than ever before.

There appears to be division among Tory MSPs on wind farms. Some are for them, some are against them and others already have one of their own.

It used to be that the Tory party in Scotland was unequivocally in favour of more jobs and businesses, but it now looks as though that was just another one of its lines in the sand.

Do the renewables targets mean that the Scottish Government is likely to overturn a local planning decision, which accords with the wishes of my constituents, to reject a wind turbine at Annathill in my constituency?

Fergus Ewing

I apologise to Elaine Smith; I did not catch the very beginning of her question. She will appreciate that it would be utterly inappropriate for me to make any comment on a live application, but I can say, for her benefit and for the benefit of other members—I hope that this is relevant to her question, not all of which I caught, but I will reply to her in writing later—that, in the vast majority of cases, which is to say in two thirds of cases, Scottish ministers have upheld the decisions of local planning authorities. Those are the facts.

Does the Scottish Government consider that the export potential of our clean energy, in particular that of our wind energy output, is essential to providing clean electricity security for Scotland?

Fergus Ewing

Yes, that output is more important than ever before, as has been illustrated by the bleak warnings, which the Office of the Gas and Electricity Markets issued last October and again this week, that the capacity margin for meeting the electricity needs of the United Kingdom is dwindling from 14 per cent over peak demand—when “Coronation Street” is on on a cold winter’s evening—to just 4 per cent.

The neglect and negligence of UK energy policy has led to the pretty pass that it may not be possible to keep the lights on without massive importation of gas from places such as Russia. What a pretty pass we have reached. Therefore, Scottish renewable energy is now more important than ever for keeping the lights on, both north and south of the border.

Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)

In the area between Kirknewton and Shotts, the combination of applications, consents and active sites means that we could have around 20 wind farms. I know that the minister is a reasonable man, so does he accept that a free-for-all resulting in such an overconcentration is undermining the very policy that he promotes?

Fergus Ewing

I accept back-handed compliments even from the most unlikely of sources.

It would be utterly wrong for me to interfere in the decisions of local authorities in the way that Neil Findlay’s question implies is necessary. It is the responsibility of each local authority, which is accountable to its electorate, to take decisions in its area. As I have already said, the Scottish Government—contrary to the misinformation that is being peddled by some people—has supported local authority decisions in two thirds of cases.


Flood Protection (North East Scotland)



8. To ask the Scottish Government what action it is taking to protect communities in the north-east from flooding. (S4O-01826)

The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)

We are helping to protect communities across the whole of Scotland from flooding by working with our partners to implement the Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009. We provide funding through the local government settlement for local authorities to continue to invest in flood protection schemes. Local authorities can apply for that funding on the basis of criteria that have been agreed by the Scottish Government and the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities.

A total of £73 million is being made available in this spending review period, on top of the £53 million funding that was allocated to existing projects and included within local authorities’ general capital grant allocations. Local authorities are also free to allocate additional resources to flooding from within the overall funding provided to them by the Scottish Government and from within their own resources.

Richard Baker

Can the minister outline what support is being given to the community in Stonehaven in the aftermath of flooding that has resulted in the closure of the town’s Maritime Rescue Institute? On mitigation of the impact of flooding in the north-east, can he clarify why Grampian is not one of the areas in the Scottish Environment Protection Agency’s extended floodline warning service?

Paul Wheelhouse

On Richard Baker’s first question, I saw for myself when I visited Stonehaven the support that the Scottish flood forum is giving to the community there.

On coverage by the wider coastal flood warning system, much of the north-east has already been included in the roll-out of the floodline direct warning service. Indeed, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment launched the north-east flood warning scheme for the Rivers Dee, Don, Deveron and North Esk in March 2010. A flood warning scheme for the River Carron in Stonehaven is also in development and is planned to be rolled out in September this year.

I recognise that the recently launched coastal flood warning scheme for the firths of Forth and Tay on the east coast, covering Arbroath down to Eyemouth, does not cover the community of Stonehaven and does not extend as far as Grampian, but I assure Richard Baker that we are working on proposals for a flood scheme for the north-east coast, following the incidents in December. The timing of those events was unfortunate, as we had already announced plans for the Forth and Tay at that point, but we are trying to accelerate what we can do to cover the north-east.