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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 09 Feb 2006

Meeting date: Thursday, February 9, 2006


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


Enterprise, Lifelong Learning and Transport

Question 1 has not been lodged and question 2 has been withdrawn.


Well-paid Jobs

3. Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):

To ask the Scottish Executive, in light of the recent closures of information technology manufacturing plants, what steps are being taken to encourage businesses to generate well-paid jobs and how such steps compare with those being taken in England, Ireland and Norway. (S2O-8996)

The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Allan Wilson):

Both "The Framework for Economic Development in Scotland" and "A Smart, Successful Scotland" focus on raising productivity levels as a means of increasing economic opportunities and generating well-paid jobs. The Executive's investment in infrastructure, health, education and skills, along with our commitment to reduce business rates and reform the planning system, is creating an environment where businesses compete effectively in the global economy.

Jim Mather:

If the situation is as good as that, why, according to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, do a third of people who are working in Scotland earn less than £6.50 an hour? Can the minister explain how the decision to exclude the earnings of those who work less than 18 hours a week from the annual survey of hourly earnings will aid his efforts to monitor progress and allay my fears that, for many people, this country is becoming an increasingly low-wage economy?

Allan Wilson:

We will concentrate on raising productivity levels and increasing employment opportunities as a means of lifting people out of poverty. A key feature of that economic strategy is the minimum wage, which we set in our first year in power—that is, the Labour Government in Westminster set it in its first year in office. Allied to that, of course, are the tax credits that lift the tax burden from many of our low-paid workers.

We have the highest levels of employment in the European Union and unemployment rates are at an historic low. Obviously, we cross-checked our policy, which is set out in "A Smart, Successful Scotland", with comparable strategies in Europe and beyond. I would argue that there is little strategic difference between our policy and those of the Norwegians and the Irish—

There is one big difference.

Allan Wilson:

—to name just two examples. Our policies have been cross-checked and cross-referenced and most of them are similar to those found elsewhere, in that they are determined to seek out opportunity rather than take a spatial approach to economic planning.


Edinburgh to Bathgate Rail Line

To ask the Scottish Executive what discussions it has had with Network Rail in respect of the dual tracking of the single-track section of the Edinburgh to Bathgate rail line. (S2O-8958)

Transport Scotland officials meet Network Rail, the promoter of the proposed Airdrie to Bathgate rail link, regularly to develop plans for the early delivery of the benefits of double tracking the section east of Bathgate.

Bristow Muldoon:

I am sure that the minister will be well aware that, as well as widespread support for the reopening of the Airdrie to Bathgate line, there is a strong call from the people of West Lothian for the double tracking of the existing single-track section to improve the reliability of the service. I understand that Network Rail could, technically, progress that at an early stage of the project. Can the minister give both financial and moral backing to the early completion of the twin tracking?

Tavish Scott:

Mr Muldoon makes a good point about reliability, which is one of the essential components of the delivery of this rail capital transport project. I can tell him that we are aiming to start work on the doubling of the current single-track section east of Bathgate by spring 2007. As he knows, that does not depend on the passage of the bill but can bring some early benefits to the scheme that we all want to see in place as quickly as we can.

Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):

I welcome the minister's statement. Commuters who travel on that line have severe difficulties meeting their work obligations because of problems arising from the lack of double tracking. If the minister could confirm that there will be an early start to the double tracking of that part of the line, that would send a strong signal of the Executive's full support of the extension of the line beyond Bathgate to Airdrie. An early start would be welcomed by our constituents and by employers in Edinburgh who are suffering because of the frequent late arrival of trains that use the line.

Tavish Scott:

I cannot add greatly to the answer I gave Bristow Muldoon a moment ago. I can say that the arguments that have been developed in the context of the promotion of this line recognise the points that Fiona Hyslop has made with respect to the economy of the east of Scotland and Edinburgh in particular and the benefits that this capital investment project can bring to those areas. We are determined to progress it and I hope that I have given some indication of how we will do that in the context of the single-track section.

Mrs Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab):

I have written to the minister, explaining that, on a daily basis, constituents of mine are put off the train at Livingston North or the train does not arrive at Bathgate to pick them up. Does the minister agree that that is totally unacceptable? Although I welcome what he has said about the dual tracking of this route, can he ensure that, in the meantime, First ScotRail does something to address the problems for the people who are not getting the service they deserve?

Tavish Scott:

I would be happy to discuss with First ScotRail the issue that Mary Mulligan rightly raises. One of the aspects of delivering capital transport projects is remembering current commuters and others who currently use Scotland's rail services. Also, we should ensure that we can continue to improve, day by day, the delivery of rail services so that they meet the frequency and time schedules that I am sure are important to the people who use those services to get to work. I give Mary Mulligan an assurance that I will raise that issue with First ScotRail and see what progress we can make.


First Bus (Meetings)

To ask the Scottish Executive when the Minister for Transport and Telecommunications last met representatives of First bus and what issues were discussed. (S2O-8950)

I last met First bus representatives on 19 October last year for a general discussion about FirstGroup operations and current initiatives.

Paul Martin:

When the minister next meets representatives of FirstGroup, will he remind them of the significant public subsidy that FirstGroup receives, especially from the Parliament, in respect of the concessionary fares scheme? Will he ask them to take some responsibility for providing the many services that are required to meet social needs throughout Scotland, including those in my constituency? If they are not willing to do that, but continue to cherry pick routes in Glasgow and other areas, will he consider introducing legislation to regulate an industry that appears to suit itself rather than its passengers?

Tavish Scott:

I appreciate Paul Martin's concerns. We have discussed them. I know that there are considerable issues around the withdrawal of some services and the proposals to withdraw some services in Glasgow, and the impact that will be felt by people in many parts of the city. I recognise the figures he describes and, therefore, that we might have to seek a degree of co-operation with respect to important bus services through financial mechanisms such as the bus service operator grant—which was some £56 million in 2004-05—the grant-aided expenditure for local authorities in the Strathclyde Passenger Transport Executive area and other initiatives that are funded through the bus route development grant.

As Paul Martin will know, local transport authorities have the power to introduce franchising in their areas by asking the Scottish ministers to approve quality contracts. No such contracts have, so far, been submitted for the SPTE area. I would be more than happy to discuss that with Paul Martin and with the local authorities with a view to tackling the issues that he raises.

Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):

I note the minister's reply to Paul Martin's question, for which I am grateful. The minister will have received a letter from me on the same issues, especially the announcement by First that it is going to axe 37 routes in the Glasgow area and the subsequent reply from the SPTE, which basically says that First's pricing is unable to meet the requirements, meaning that those routes will have to be axed.

Does the minister agree that the pricing of the so-called subsidised routes that has been put into the SPTE by First is far too high, which is why many of the routes and buses are being withdrawn? Will he meet me, as well as Paul Martin, and will he look at this in any future transport strategy?

Tavish Scott:

We will be happy to consider a range of measures in the context of the national transport strategy. I suspect that local people who are represented by members of the Parliament would expect us to look closely at these issues rather more quickly than the national transport strategy may do, although it will lay out the framework that can be used in the context of the answer on quality contracts that I gave Paul Martin some moments ago.

On price, Sandra White will be familiar with the regime that is currently in place. I will reconsider the issues that she raises but, ultimately, in this context, they are a matter for the company concerned.


Buses (Accessibility)

6. Mr Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab):

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will consider introducing a requirement on all transport operators participating in its free bus scheme to use, within a reasonable period of time, vehicles which are fully accessible by passengers whose mobility is impaired. (S2O-8943)

The Minister for Transport and Telecommunications (Tavish Scott):

No. The scheme will include local and long distance scheduled bus and coach services throughout Scotland. The timetable by which such vehicles must be accessible has already been set under legislation reserved to Westminster. It has been agreed in discussion with the transport industry and the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee.

Mr Gordon:

I have to thank the minister for his answer, but I confess that I am disappointed by it. I am sure he is aware that, when they are aggregated, the various subsidies local and national taxpayers give to the bus industry are similar in size to those given to the rail industry, which is rightly heavily regulated on issues that include vehicle standards. Is it not logical and equitable to expect the bus industry to be more responsive on access issues, especially as it already complies with similar standards for subsidised contracts in the SPTE area?

Tavish Scott:

Mr Gordon does not have to thank me for anything; he is quite entitled to say that he does not agree with my answer. I know that he is knowledgeable about this subject, so he will be familiar with the regulations that have been drawn up with the manufacturers and operators in the transport industry, and with the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee. Those standards have also been subject to considerable wider public consultation.

A balance must be struck between the timescale in which accessible vehicles should be introduced, the cost of replacing the vehicles and the replacement of vehicles before the end of their working lives. However, Mr Gordon made a not unfair point about rail.

Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):

The minister will be aware that similar problems exist in the Scottish Borders, where there are very few low-rise buses. Commendable though concessionary free travel is, it is not much use to many borderers. Will the minister remind me of the date by when buses must be compliant with disabled access requirements? I think it is somewhere around 2020. Will he also advise whether Scottish Borders Council has applied for quality contracts? I understand that those requirements can be written into contracts with First when it is providing bus routes because, as the previous question indicated, First tends to cherry-pick routes.

Tavish Scott:

My advice on the timescale is that all full-size, single-deck buses weighing more than 7.5 tonnes will be fully accessible from 1 January 2016, and all double-deck buses from 1 January 2017, although I grant that there are not so many double-deck buses in the Borders. However, since 1 January 2005, new coaches and buses weighing up to 7.5 tonnes have had wheelchair access. All buses that weigh up to 7.5 tonnes will be fully accessible from 1 January 2015, and coaches by 1 January 2020. Those dates were set down in the discussions to which I referred earlier and, I repeat, they were subject to widespread consultation.

I am not aware of any application by Scottish Borders Council for quality contracts, but I will look into it and write to Christine Grahame.

I disagree fundamentally with Christine Grahame's suggestion that the concessionary travel scheme will be no use to many people in the Borders. I could not disagree more. Of course, the Scottish National Party voted against the scheme, so I can understand why it would say that.


Dalkeith Bypass

To ask the Scottish Executive whether, in light of the report on the environmental impact of the Dalkeith northern bypass by WA Fairhurst & Partners, it will cease work on the project. (S2O-8993)

No.

Rosie Kane:

Well, is that not pathetic? The minister has given a one-syllable answer to a question on contaminated land. We are talking about contaminants that could be carcinogenic and the minister gives a one-syllable answer. Shame on him. I will continue with more than one syllable, as usual.

In light of the fact that the Fairhurst report stated that additional potentially contaminated sites have been identified along the route since the 1995 assessment, and in light of the contamination along the proposed route of the M74 northern extension, will the minister explain why the Executive refuses to abide by the precautionary principle, continues to ignore the mounting evidence of contamination in Scotland and continues to build roads that merely contribute to increased pollution for our communities—rather than serve them, which is what the minister was elected to do?

Tavish Scott:

I thought that we would get some rewards for giving straight answers, but obviously not from the Scottish Socialist Party. I am afraid that Ms Kane wilfully misrepresents the report that she alleges to know something about. The environmental mitigation report prepared by WA Fairhurst & Partners does not support the ground investigation carried out on the scheme and, in that sense, it is clear that the findings are not as Ms Kane has indicated. The Scottish Environment Protection Agency, East Lothian Council and Midlothian Council were consulted as part of the new environmental mitigation report and assessment. No land in the corridor occupied by the A68 Dalkeith northern bypass has been designated as contaminated land under the terms of the Environmental Protection Act 1990. We have to deal in facts, even if Ms Kane does not.

Mr John Home Robertson (East Lothian) (Lab):

There have already been several environmental impact inquiries into that development. Will the minister take it from me and from Rhona Brankin, the local constituency member, that there is overwhelming public support in and around Dalkeith for a bypass that will relieve serious congestion and pollution? What has been the cost of dealing with protesters who know little and care less about pollution in the Dalkeith area? Can residents and commuters in Midlothian and East Lothian have an assurance that the bypass and long-overdue improvements to the Sheriffhall junction will be constructed without further delay?

Tavish Scott:

The cost about which John Home Robertson inquires is in the region of £1.9 million, although we have yet to receive final figures, due to the assessment process that has to be followed. The benefits of the scheme are widely understood and acknowledged, and he makes an extremely important point about the benefits to people who live in Dalkeith. It would seem that some people would very much like to see heavy goods vehicles continue to trundle through Dalkeith, but I think that most of us agree that that would not be good for local people. That is why, for some years now, there has been a strategic roads need to make the investment that we are now making.

Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green):

Does the minister recognise that the report clearly states that the bypass will lead to the loss of valued woodland and that the authors admit that there is need for further investigation into potential contaminated land, which could contain mercury, arsenic and phenol? Does he further recognise that many of the people who felt that they had no option but to demonstrate on the site were local people who were worried about the impact of the bypass on their lives, and that without the multimodal study that was promised by Sarah Boyack in 1999 it is impossible to tell whether that bypass is the most effective way to relieve the genuine problems created by trucks and the like going through the centre of Dalkeith? Without that multimodal study, surely any attempt at a bypass would be reckless and ill judged.

Tavish Scott:

It would be reckless and ill judged to ignore the Scottish Environment Protection Agency, which Mr Ballard clearly wishes to do, and to ignore East Lothian Council and Midlothian Council. All those bodies were consulted as part of the environmental mitigation report that I mentioned, which found that there is no need to designate land as contaminated land under the terms of the Environmental Protection Act 1990. I believe that that is the factual position, and I think that it is important to base any view on the issue on the facts that are presented under that act. I can only commend that approach to Mr Ballard. I cannot agree with his other assertions, other than to say that of course people have a right to make clear their views on any road proposal. However, it is important to recognise the benefits that the measure will bring to the centre of Dalkeith, and Mr Ballard continues to minimise those benefits.

Finally, it is not true to say what Mr Ballard has said—not for the first time—about the Dalkeith estate park. The scheme does go through the estate, but it does not affect the Dalkeith country park, because it passes to the north of that. Again, that is an important fact that should be borne in mind.


Road Safety (Dumfries and Galloway)

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it considers safety on trunk roads in Dumfries and Galloway to be adequate. (S2O-8960)

The Minister for Transport and Telecommunications (Tavish Scott):

In 2000, the Scottish Executive set a target to reduce the number of killed and seriously injured—KSI—accidents by 40 per cent by 2010 when compared with the 1994 to 1998 average. On Dumfries and Galloway's trunk roads, that target had been achieved by 2004. However, the number of injury accidents on our road network is still too high and we are committed to reducing accidents and improving safety on all Scotland's roads.

Dr Murray:

I am a trifle surprised by the minister's reply. I am grateful for the interest he has shown in the safety concerns arising from recent fatal accidents on the A76, but, sadly, I have to advise him that there have been several other serious and fatal accidents on other trunk roads in the Dumfries constituency—on the A75, the A701 and the A7—in recent months. Not a week has gone by recently without one of those trunk roads being closed due to a serious accident.

What will the minister do to bring forward implementation of the improvement schemes for the A75 and the A7? Those schemes have been subject to repeated delay. Does the minister agree that a strategic review of the trunk road system in Dumfries and Galloway is required, to respond to increasing traffic flows and associated safety issues?

Tavish Scott:

Elaine Murray has my assurance that the strategic overview that she seeks will happen in the context of the strategic projects review. I recognise her points about the recent fatalities on the A76. As she knows—we have discussed the matter in a recent members' business debate and at question time in recent months—we commissioned a report into safety issues on the A76 in response to some of the points that she and other members raised. The report is now being completed and a number of recommendations for safety improvements will be implemented in the forthcoming year. I am happy to discuss those with her when we meet in her part of the world in the coming weeks.

Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP):

The minister will be aware that on a significant number of occasions the A75, one of the roads Elaine Murray mentioned, has been totally blocked for substantial periods of time as a result of collisions. Such collisions lead not only to personal injury but to economic loss in the area. Is the minister happy that sufficient resources are available to address two of the main causes of the accidents: lorry drivers who flout regulations and the very poor road alignments with which drivers have to contend?

Tavish Scott:

I am sure that local members know much more about the matter than I do, but I understand that Dumfries and Galloway constabulary recently undertook operation juggernaut on the A75 to target goods vehicles contraventions. I hope that that was a useful exercise; it will be important for me to learn how that work went and what, if any, prosecutions followed from it. Those matters will be addressed through normal police enforcement activity.

I take Mr Morgan's point about alignments. We will continue to discuss those issues, but I hope that they can be addressed in the context of the strategic projects review.


Justice and Law Officers


Extraordinary Rendition

1. Eleanor Scott (Highlands and Islands) (Green):

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it considers that the evidence presented to it by Amnesty International in respect of the use of Scottish airports by flights linked to acts of extraordinary rendition is sufficiently specific and credible to justify police investigation and what the reason is for its position on this matter. (S2O-9016)

The Lord Advocate (Colin Boyd):

No credible and reliable information has to date been brought to the attention of the police that the extraordinary rendition of any individual has been unlawfully facilitated through a Scottish airport. All information submitted to the police will be considered and action will be taken if there is specific information that justifies a criminal investigation.

Eleanor Scott:

The letter from Amnesty International, which I have seen, gives detailed and specific information, including the identification of specific planes and the names of people who have been subject to rendition. Does the Lord Advocate agree that that level of suspicion would, in the case of alleged drug smuggling or people trafficking, for example, be more than sufficient to trigger an investigation? What is different in the case of extraordinary rendition? What advice has the Crown Office issued to Strathclyde police about investigating the matter?

The Lord Advocate:

I am aware of the Amnesty International report, but I do not believe that it would be appropriate for me to have a continuing dialogue about whether one report or another—or one allegation or another—justifies action. The police will look at all the information that is presented to them and take action where appropriate.

I understand and share the concerns of many members of the Parliament on the issue. The use of torture is abhorrent and it cannot be condoned—it is against international law and contrary to the law of Scotland. However, there is a difference between establishing an inquiry, as the Council of Europe has done, into the practice of extraordinary rendition, involving allegations that torture has been used on suspects subject to such a practice, and launching a criminal investigation in Scotland. A criminal investigation in Scotland requires credible and reliable information that a crime has been, is being or is to be committed within our jurisdiction by people who are at present within our jurisdiction. It contemplates as an end result a prosecution in Scotland against named and identified individuals in which they are brought before the court to answer specific charges. The matter is one for the police to assess as to whether they should, in the first instance, launch a criminal investigation.

So far as advice from the Crown Office to Strathclyde police, or any other police force, is concerned, that advice is confidential and is for the law enforcement agencies. I do not intend to breach that confidence.

Will the Lord Advocate take the opportunity to inform the chamber of his powers to instruct the police to commence a criminal investigation?

The Lord Advocate:

The initiation of a criminal investigation is, of course, a matter for the police in the first place. If the police decide to conduct a criminal investigation, they will have my full support. So far, the police have taken the view—correctly, in my judgment—that there is insufficient credible and reliable information to enable them to commence such an investigation.

I have statutory powers under section 12 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995 and section 17 of the Police (Scotland) Act 1967 to direct the police on the conduct of their investigations. The use of such a power is a quasi-judicial act, which I perform independently of others, as recognised by and required under section 48(5) of the Scotland Act 1998. Such a direction would require there to be evidence of a crime having been committed in Scotland before an investigation could be commenced. So far, there is insufficient evidence to justify my exercising those powers.

Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):

People in the Highlands and Islands, including Amnesty members, are rightly concerned about Central Intelligence Agency rendition fights having landed in Wick and Inverness. Will the law officers assure them that our airports, which are ultimately owned by the Scottish Executive, are not being used to break international law?

The Lord Advocate:

We have no evidence that airports anywhere have been used to break international law. If such evidence is brought to our attention, the allegations will be investigated.


Noise Nuisance

To ask the Scottish Executive what powers police and local authorities have to deal with noise nuisance in residential areas. (S2O-8938)

The Deputy Minister for Justice (Hugh Henry):

A variety of measures are available to local authorities and the police to monitor and control noise in residential areas under, for example, the Antisocial Behaviour etc (Scotland) Act 2004, the Environmental Protection Act 1990, the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982.

Cathie Craigie:

I am sure that the minister is aware of the powers that were introduced in the Antisocial Behaviour etc (Scotland) Act 2004, under which local authorities and the police can deal with noise nuisance in communities.

The minister knows that the lives of a number of my constituents, who live in a residential area, are being made a misery because of noise from barking dogs that are kept by an irresponsible neighbour. Which parts of the 2004 act can my constituents rely on to protect them from that unacceptable level of noise?

Hugh Henry:

Before I touch on the 2004 act, I want to put on record the powers that are available under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 to the police and complainants. A complainant can take action against a pet owner under section 49(2) of the 1982 act, by making an application to the district court for an order to be made requiring the owner of the creature to take action to prevent the annoyance from continuing. Under section 43(2) of the 1982 act, the police can seize a dog if the owner refuses to comply with the court order.

Our inquiries to North Lanarkshire Council reveal that the council is producing a self-help pack for the public on the ways in which they can take action under section 49(2) of 1982 act. The council plans to publish the pack during noise action week, which will be held this year between 22 and 26 May.

North Lanarkshire Council has advised that it uses the new powers under the Antisocial Behaviour etc (Scotland) Act 2004 to investigate complaints from barking dogs—

From barking dogs?

Hugh Henry:

I am sorry—complaints about barking dogs. Sometimes that may be the same thing.

The council believes that it can act more quickly using powers under the 2004 act than it can using other legislative powers. If the noise exceeds the permitted level, the council will issue a warning notice. If the notice is not complied with within 10 minutes, the council can issue a fixed-penalty notice. So far, the council has not issued any fixed-penalty notices, nor has it made any seizures.


Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2004

To ask the Scottish Executive whether the Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2004 has had a positive impact in respect of prosecutions. (S2O-8954)

The Solicitor General for Scotland (Mrs Elish Angiolini):

Prosecutors are committed to the effective use of the new provisions to ensure that witnesses are able to give their evidence in a way that respects their needs. The Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2004 currently applies to child witnesses in solemn proceedings. The provisions in respect of vulnerable adult witnesses in solemn cases are to be commenced on 1 April 2006. It is too early to comment on the impact of the new provisions, but prosecutors report that, because the processes that are now in place are much more streamlined, special measures for children can be obtained more rapidly. It is clear that that is a positive development. In August 2005, the Executive commissioned a detailed evaluation of the impact of the 2004 act. The final report is expected at the end of August 2007. We await the research findings with interest.

Mr McNeil:

I welcome the progress that the Solicitor General has described, but can she tell me whether the results that the 2004 act is delivering are uniform across the country, or are some areas making better use of the provisions than others? What action will be required to ensure that progress is made throughout Scotland?

The Solicitor General for Scotland:

The research has not yet been reported systematically, so the information that we have is anecdotal. In relation to solemn proceedings, central control is the role of the Crown Office and Crown counsel, especially in the High Court. We are aware that consistent guidance has been issued to prosecutors throughout the country and that the response seems to be positive, particularly if one takes into account the fact that children can now be certain that they will be able to give evidence using special measures, whereas before that was at the discretion of the court. The presumption that they will be able to give their evidence in that way, without being subject to a competence test, as used to be the case, gives children a great deal of confidence and enforces the act's effectiveness. Those provisions apply uniformly throughout Scotland.

There has been nationwide training. Prosecutors, along with the Scottish Executive vulnerable witnesses unit, the Law Society of Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, are running a series of training seminars for practitioners throughout the country in February and March. Those joint events will take place in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, Dumfries and Inverness. We hope that they will have a positive effect and will help to secure a change in the culture so that there is a presumption in favour of ensuring that vulnerable witnesses are able to give their evidence effectively.


Rural Policing (Strathclyde)

To ask the Scottish Executive what discussions it has held with the chief constable of Strathclyde police in respect of rural policing in the Strathclyde police area. (S2O-8994)

The Minister for Justice (Cathy Jamieson):

The deployment of police officers within a force area is an operational matter for the chief constable, although I recognise the important role that policing plays in rural communities. The chief constable of Strathclyde police has not raised the subject of rural policing in his area with me as an issue.

Mr McGrigor:

Is the minister aware that, because of the expected increase in the movement of people between the upgraded Oban Connel airport and the islands of Colonsay and Coll when the new airports there have been constructed, Strathclyde police are seeking additional funding to provide police services and police accommodation on those islands? Will she give me assurances that those requests will be met favourably and that, when there is so much media focus on crime in the Glasgow part of Strathclyde police's area of responsibility, manning levels for rural policing will not be sacrificed in the pursuit of lowering city crime levels?

Cathy Jamieson:

Having the correct staffing levels is important to ensuring that we are able to tackle crime, whether it is committed in an urban or a rural environment. Over the past three years, the number of police officers in Strathclyde has increased by 428, taking the total number up to 7,769.

As I said, it is important to acknowledge that the chief constable is responsible for dealing with operational matters. He is the person who must consider how best to deploy his force's resources. Over the same period, there has been an increase of 651 in the number of police support staff. I take rural policing seriously, but I am sure that people would not wish me to intervene inappropriately in matters that are properly for the chief constable to determine.


Jury Selection

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it has any concerns about the jury selection process. (S2O-8948)

The Minister for Justice (Cathy Jamieson):

The present jury selection process has operated satisfactorily for many years but we have noted the recent judgment of the High Court in the appeal of John Brown v HM Advocate and will be considering both the judgment and, in particular, their lordships' comments about the system by which potential jurors are excused and juries put together.

Marilyn Livingstone:

In light of the recent case, to which the minister referred, does she agree that we have to consider seriously the representation of women in the judiciary? Does she believe that the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland can redress the balance, or is additional positive action required?

Cathy Jamieson:

We have set up the Judicial Appointments Board and we are keen to ensure that a wide range of people put themselves forward for what are important posts. Members should be aware that only this week we published a consultation document seeking opinions on how to put things on a statutory footing, with a view to bringing in legislation in due course. I am sure that members will read the document with interest and I hope that they will submit comments.

Maureen Macmillan (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):

I know that the minister cannot comment on particular cases without having seen the full transcript, but is she aware of any cases in which a woman has been on trial that have been decided on the basis that there were too many men in the pool of people from which the jury was to be chosen, or too many men in the pool of people who could be chosen to try the case?

I hesitate to give a definitive answer. All that I can say at this point is that no such cases have been brought to my attention so far.


Scottish Police Federation (Meetings)

To ask the Scottish Executive when the Minister for Justice last met the general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation. (S2O-8968)

The Minister for Justice (Cathy Jamieson):

I met the general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation and other members of its committee at the federation's annual conference in April 2005. The Deputy Minister for Justice met the general secretary at the meeting of the Police Advisory Board for Scotland on 31 October 2005.

Margaret Mitchell:

As a result of those meetings, the minister will no doubt be aware of police concern about the risk of HIV infection from prisoners who are aggressive, who bite and spit and who attack police officers with syringes. In the most severe incidents, a police officer can spend six months waiting for confirmation of whether or not they are HIV positive. Does she agree that, when a prisoner wilfully attacks and endangers a police officer in such a manner, the rights of the police officer and his family should outweigh the right of the accused to refuse to undergo a blood test?

Cathy Jamieson:

I remind the chamber that these issues have been raised on a number of occasions. The Scottish Police Federation submitted a petition to Parliament, and the Executive considered it carefully. As a result, we set up a working group to look into the issues in more detail. The Scottish Police Federation had the opportunity to be represented on the group.

A number of serious issues will have to be considered as we decide how best to address the concerns that have been raised. I want to take that approach because I understand the reservations and concerns of front-line police officers. I assure members that we will consider the issues carefully. However, there is no simple solution.

Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green):

Can the minister confirm that the Executive has a real understanding—more understanding than the Scottish Police Federation has demonstrated—that the diagnosis window, the likelihood of an infection even when there has been an attack with a syringe and the hard science on testing mean that someone who has been subjected to that—

Is there a question here, Mr Harvie?

Patrick Harvie:

I am asking the minister whether the Executive understands that a person who has been subjected to such an attack will still need to go through a test of their own to find out whether they have been infected. The delay and the stress will still be there, and the risk of false positives puts everybody's health at risk.

Cathy Jamieson:

The points raised by Margaret Mitchell and Patrick Harvie show the range of difficult and serious issues that the working group had to consider. I was keen that the group was able to consider the issues in detail, and I look forward to further discussions when I have received fuller information. However, I hope that I can reassure Patrick Harvie by telling him that the working group has tried to take account of points raised on all sides of the argument. We have made sure that different views are represented on the group.