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Chamber and committees

Plenary, 01 Feb 2007

Meeting date: Thursday, February 1, 2007


Contents


Question Time


SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE


General Questions


Economic Growth

To ask the Scottish Executive what impact its policies have had on economic growth since 1999. (S2O-11820)

The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Nicol Stephen):

Since devolution, the policies of this Executive have laid the foundations for continued economic growth and job creation in Scotland. The latest figures show that since 1999 the economy has grown by 11.9 per cent. The economy has grown above our long-run annual average in each of the past nine consecutive quarters.

Derek Brownlee:

That is interesting, because Professor Brian Ashcroft told the Finance Committee on 16 January that there has been

"a relative decline in the Scottish economy since 1996."—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 16 January 2007; c 4298.]

Is that down to the Executive, too?

Nicol Stephen:

That is inaccurate. We need to treat quite a lot of what the Conservatives say on the issue with a great deal of caution, too. As members know, earlier this week I heard Annabel Goldie announce that she is tearing up most of the Conservatives' key policies—although she did not seem to have an exhaustive list. The Conservatives have U-turned on the economy and education. Perhaps I should issue a challenge to the Conservatives. Will they now support the Edinburgh airport rail link, which will help Scottish financial services? Will they support Scottish Enterprise's work on skills training, business support and economic regeneration, which is helping to create jobs and growth in Scotland? If the Conservatives cannot answer those questions, I assure members that the Executive will continue to build economic growth in Scotland and to exceed our average long-term growth rate in Scotland, as we have done for the past nine quarters.

Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):

I wanted to thank the minister for his answer, but his reference to inaccuracy was just too good. Gross domestic product is a poor and inaccurate measure of a branch economy and the reindexing of GDP on a rolling basis makes it more inaccurate.

How much additional economic growth would have been generated by Scottish business if business rates and water charges in Scotland had been no higher than charges in the rest of the United Kingdom?

Nicol Stephen:

As Jim Mather knows, business rates in Scotland are coming down. I hope he welcomes that.

I have been talking about the chaos at the centre of Conservative policy, but it is important and only right that we should hear from the Scottish National Party. I discovered an old SNP policy document, which says:

"Sterling is a highly volatile currency, the value of which has consistently failed to reflect the prevailing conditions in the Scottish economy.

Sterling interest rates … consistently fail to reflect the prevailing conditions in the Scottish economy."

Why has the SNP now decided that its economic plans involve interest rates and exchange rates being determined by the central bank of another country and the policy of a foreign Government? The currency will be sterling and the foreign interest-rate-setting body will be the Bank of England. I set a target for Jim Mather: he should try to reduce the number of SNP policies on the pound and the euro from two to one.

Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. This is all very entertaining, but there is a serious point. The minister has made no attempt whatever to answer the substantive points that were put to him in two questions. He has responded by making party-political points. Under the standing orders of the Parliament, can you do anything to compel ministers at least to attempt to address the questions that are put to them?

I can look encouragingly, but under our standing orders I am responsible for the questions, not the answers. The answers are a matter for the Executive.


Planning System (Mediation)

2. Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green):

There will now be only the slightest change of tone, Presiding Officer.

To ask the Scottish Executive what the role of mediation will be in the reformed planning system (S2O-11893),

even if this Parliament might be a more appropriate place for mediation.

Mediation is one of a number of measures for engaging communities that we would see planning authorities adopting under the new planning system.

Patrick Harvie:

I am pleased to hear that answer because there is general agreement on the value that mediation can have in the planning system. However, a proposal for a pilot project on mediation in planning has been under discussion for more than two years now, and the Executive has had detailed proposals for more than a year and a half. When will progress be made? When will the minister be able to come to Parliament to report that the pilot project is going ahead?

Des McNulty:

We are currently scoping taking the mediation pilot ahead, focusing on the development planning process. The intention is to commission it in 2007. We are working with the different parties involved to ensure that that is done properly.

To help develop the range and scope of issues for the pilot project, a literature review was commissioned to see how mediation had been used in planning in the past. As I say, the intention is to take this forward. It will be done before the end of 2007.

Has the minister considered how mediation is used in planning in the state of Maryland, where it is used extensively? If not, will he do so?

I have not considered mediation in the state of Maryland, but if Christine Grahame is suggesting that it is interesting, I will certainly ask officials to have a look at it.

Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con):

I thank the minister for at last answering questions.

We accept the obvious benefits of mediation to the planning process, but does the minister agree that the practice must not be employed in such a way as to be an overly expensive delaying tactic that could conflict with the aims and objectives of a fast-track and inclusive modernised planning system?

Des McNulty:

Dave Petrie is correct to suggest that the whole purpose of the planning system is to speed up and streamline the mechanism. We really would not want to bring in any process that took away from the clear benefits of streamlining.

We have to identify the purposes of mediation and the circumstances in which it will be helpful. If we are going to introduce a system, we will have to ensure that it is fit for purpose and is applied properly. That is why it will be necessary to do a decent study, taking all the relevant information into account.


Gypsy Traveller Sites

3. Mr David Davidson (North East Scotland) (Con):

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it plans to give local authorities more powers to move unauthorised Gypsy or Traveller encampments quickly to official sites and to recover the costs of relocation, provision of toilet and waste facilities and clean-up after the unauthorised sites have closed. (S2O-11837)

The Minister for Communities (Rhona Brankin):

There are no plans to give more powers to local authorities to move unauthorised Gypsy/Traveller encampments on to official sites. A range of powers are already in place, under both civil and criminal law, which local authorities and local police can use to manage the incidence of unauthorised encampments and the impact on the local environment and community. In addition, the Scottish Executive published guidance in December 2004 to assist local authorities with this. The Executive is providing £3 million in Gypsy/Traveller site grant between 2005-06 and 2007-08 to local authorities.

Mr Davidson:

I thank the minister for her partial answer and for the copy of the guide on unauthorised camping that she very kindly sent me the other week.

At the moment, Aberdeen City Council is desperately trying to close an unauthorised site, but it does not have the powers to do so. It has tried informal methods, it has tried discussion and it has tried mediation—which we talked about a moment ago. The police will not get involved and the council is now having to incur huge costs in going to the courts in order to get the police to take action eventually. The council has spent tens of thousands of pounds clearing the site.

I wonder how many other councils are in a similar situation. Is the Executive not prepared to take action? Unauthorised sites disrupt the lives of regular citizens.

Rhona Brankin:

Opportunities are available to local authorities. Various provisions in civil and criminal law can be used to deal with unauthorised camping—provisions relating to vandalism; the dumping of rubbish; unwanted property; planning; and obstructing the highway. There are also common law offences such as breach of the peace and malicious mischief. Sections 61 and 62 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 could also be used—they deal with criminal trespass and the removal of vehicles.

Mr Davidson referred to the guidance on unauthorised encampments. That guidance is there to help local authorities and the police to manage situations.

Therefore, there are provisions in relation to unauthorised encampments. The provision of £3 million should assist local authorities as well.

Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP):

I listened to what the minister said about guidance. Will the minister tell me how, in the absence of a specific provision in the recently agreed Planning etc (Scotland) Act 2006, the Executive will ensure that the needs of Gypsy Travellers—who are also citizens of this country—will be met?

Our guidance to local authorities makes it clear that local authorities should provide strategies in their area in collaboration and consultation with Gypsy/Traveller communities.

Question 4 is not lodged.


M77 (Barrhead)

To ask the Scottish Executive what action is being taken to upgrade junction 4 on the M77 to improve access to Barrhead. (S2O-11875)

The Deputy Minister for Finance, Public Service Reform and Parliamentary Business (George Lyon):

Transport Scotland has been in discussion with East Renfrewshire Council about the possibility of upgrading this junction to provide south-facing slip roads.

Transport Scotland has asked East Renfrewshire Council to undertake an appraisal and will continue to work with the council to determine whether the need for the improvement is justified.

Mr Macintosh:

As well as the benefits to the wider area offered by a new park-and-ride at junction 4, is the minister aware of the advantages that a new junction would give to the regeneration of the town of Barrhead? Direct access to the motorway network would attract jobs and businesses and would bring prosperity to the wider area. Will the minister ensure that improvements to the junction will be considered in the strategic transport projects review?

George Lyon:

I am well aware of the arguments that Mr Macintosh has made in favour of this improvement. As I said, East Renfrewshire Council has been asked to prepare an appropriate appraisal. I understand that once an appraisal under Scottish transport appraisal guidance has been carried out, I will of course be able to assure the member that the project will be considered as part of the strategic transport projects review.


Tourism (Marketing)

To ask the Scottish Executive what further steps it is taking to improve the marketing of tourism in Scotland. (S2O-11812)

VisitScotland's imaginative techniques and use of new technology ensure that its award-winning marketing is constantly improving.

Mr Welsh:

Although VisitScotland deserves praise for much of its work, a gap in perception exists. There is a sense of frustration and condemnation among providers. They feel that VisitScotland charges are added to fees charged by hubs; that a percentage charge is put on business that is sent to them; and that, on top of all that, a charge is made to the tourist. Providers feel that VisitScotland simply does not meet their needs.

Is the minister aware of dissatisfaction with the operation of the national website and its booking system—a feeling that it is a commercial venture to earn profits for a private firm, rather than a service to meet the direct needs of small businesses throughout Scotland? What is the minister doing to heal the division and to link Scotland's small businesses with the national and international system?

Patricia Ferguson:

Tourists coming to our country wish to book their accommodation and experiences through a variety of methods, one of which is the national website visitscotland.com—which I would emphasise has a slightly different structure from VisitScotland, which is the core agency for tourism in Scotland.

I would be the first to acknowledge that visitscotland.com has not been without its difficulties, but since its inception the website has encouraged thousands—millions—of visitors to come to our country. The website is not the only way in which visitors can book their accommodation; many people use the website as an information portal and then book directly with the individual business providers.

However, visitscotland.com is taking all opportunities to improve its relations with individual providers and with different geographical areas of the country—for example, by inviting tourist information centre staff to work in the call centre and by allowing call-centre staff to pick up more information about what is available in local areas. It is fair to say that visitscotland.com is taking all the steps that it can.


Air Discount Scheme

To ask the Scottish Executive whether it will provide an update on the air discount scheme. (S2O-11879)

The Deputy Minister for Finance, Public Service Reform and Parliamentary Business (George Lyon):

As at 1 January 2007, there were 90,293 members of the air discount scheme in eligible areas of the Highlands and Islands, including 26,653 in the Western Isles, Mr Morrison's constituency.

In total, 14,326 residents have accessed discounts under the scheme, including 5,202 in the Western Isles. A total of 74,133 flights were booked with discounts between May and December 2006.

Mr Morrison:

As the minister's answer proves, the air discount scheme has been remarkably successful and has benefited many islanders and island businesses. Now that the Scottish Executive has established the principle of, and implemented in practice, a discount scheme that discriminates in favour of island residents, will the minister—as a fellow islander, in common with the First Minister—agree with me that this valuable and eminently sensible principle can and should be applied to ferry travel?

George Lyon:

I concur with the member's views on the warm welcome that the air discount scheme has received on the islands. In Islay, which I represent, the scheme has been well received and much used. As I stated at the Islay conference on the future of the islands, we need to go further in looking at improving the affordability of ferry services. Islanders need a greater direct benefit from the £30 million annual subsidy for ferries. The air discount scheme is a model that needs to be examined further in the context of ferry fares.

Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con):

Chancellor Gordon Brown's latest tax increase came into force today, with another £10 being levied on every passenger who takes a domestic flight. I am concerned that, as well as being an extra burden on those who live in the Highlands and Islands, the extra tax will be a real disincentive to those who might be considering visiting some of the remoter parts of Scotland, many of which are very reliant on tourism. What representations has the Scottish Executive made to the United Kingdom Government on the tax increase? Will the minister assure me that, if it has not already done so, the Executive will fight to oppose the increase and any further increases that raise money for Gordon Brown at the expense of the north of Scotland's tourism sector?

George Lyon:

I understand that the tax does not apply to outward flights, but I think that it is rather disappointing that the increase applies to inward flights. That seems to run contrary to the Executive's attempts to improve air transport for islanders. I can assure the member that the Executive makes representation to the Chancellor of the Exchequer on a wide range of matters, including this one, and will continue to do so.


Fireworks Ban

To ask the Scottish Executive what discussion it is having with the United Kingdom Government regarding the possibility of implementing a ban on personal use of fireworks. (S2O-11869)

I call George Lyon to respond. Mr Lyon?

The Deputy Minister for Finance, Public Service Reform and Parliamentary Business (George Lyon):

The Scottish Executive is in regular contact with the UK Government on a wide range of issues, including fireworks. We continue to monitor the effectiveness of regulations that have been made under the Fireworks Act 2003 but we do not believe that a case has been made for further controls at present.

Margaret Jamieson:

I thank the minister for his somewhat belated response.

The minister's answer gives me cause for concern. A number of my constituents have written to him in the last month, but letters that were addressed to him have been passed to the Department of Trade and Industry by his officials. Is he aware of the curt response that my constituents have received from the DTI correspondence official? Will he undertake to investigate the matter and to provide an appropriate response to my constituents on what is a very important issue?

George Lyon:

I am aware that close to 100 representations on the problems of fireworks have been made by the member's constituents and have been passed to the DTI. I will undertake to examine the response that her constituents received. I reassure her that the Executive is always willing to examine the issue in the light of such representations to see whether a case could be made for further representations to the UK Government for a further change in the law.

Mr Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab):

Is the minister aware that I, too, am disappointed by his response to Margaret Jamieson's questions? When I raised a similar question with him on 30 November 2006, he undertook to monitor complaints to the police and to local authorities. According to the Official Report, he also undertook to discuss the representations that I have had on the issue. Kicking it for a shy to the DTI hardly fits the bill.

George Lyon:

As I said in my previous answer, we have examined the letters that have been sent to us. We are aware of the representations that Charlie Gordon and other members have made. As I said in my answer to Margaret Jamieson, we are always willing, in the light of representations, to consider whether a case can be made for going further on the matter.