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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, March 7, 2013


Contents


Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Question Time


External Screening Facility



1. To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body what developments there have been since November 2012 regarding the external screening facility. (S4O-01859)

David Stewart (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body)

The contractor’s progress to date has included establishing the construction site, the temporary removal of parts of the glass roof over the concourse and wall panels, excavating and laying the foundations, and constructing the steel and concrete system frame. The project is on track and within budget.

I remind members that the decision to proceed with the project was not taken lightly and was based on the corporate body’s corporate and legal responsibilities to ensure safety. The corporate body has a duty of care to all building users to put in place sufficient measures to the extent that is reasonably practical in the circumstances to do so. Failure to carry out measures that are, in law, reasonably practical could leave the corporate body and its individual members open to prosecution.

The external security facility will provide protection for more than 400,000 visitors per year and up to 1,000 passholders daily, including staff, members, the media and contractors, through a significantly safer and more secure environment for screening.

Graeme Pearson

David Stewart will realise that members are sensitive about the costs attached to such projects. Has the corporate body received an up-to-date threat assessment of the situation for which the facility was designed, and can it share with the Parliament any details of that assessment?

David Stewart

The corporate body has received clear and consistent expert security advice that, in light of current threats, it is highly advisable for the Parliament to construct an external security facility. Although Graeme Pearson will understand more than most that I cannot go into the detail of that advice, there are other indicators such as the number of incidents that our own security staff deal with. For example, more than 1,500 sharp objects such as knives were retained in the public access area during 2012. The risk profile has changed from organised groups to obsessed individuals.


Voting Consoles



2. To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body whether it plans to upgrade the voting consoles in the chamber and, if so, when this will be carried out. (S4O-01861)

The current sound and voting system was installed during the 2011 summer recess and has in place a 10-year support and maintenance contract, so we have no current plans to upgrade it.

Maureen Watt

Ms Fabiani will recall that, by pressing a few buttons together on the previous consoles, members could work out how many speakers remained to speak in a debate and therefore when to be back in the chamber for closing speeches. That was preferable to the Presiding Officer having to herd people back into the chamber for closing speeches. Is it possible to do that on the current consoles?

Linda Fabiani

That is an interesting point. I remember that that was the case with the previous consoles. However, the agreement to upgrade the consoles and the specifications to which they were to be upgraded and for what we would see on the screens were decisions taken by the previous corporate body and Presiding Officers. Those decisions are reflected in what we have here today.

The Presiding Officers have clarified that if members want to know any of the things that Maureen Watt mentioned, they are more than welcome to send a note to the desk. They will be given any information that they require.


Living Wage



3. To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body what its position is on members paying their staff the living wage. (S4O-01892)

Liam McArthur (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body)

The SPCB is highly supportive of the principles of the living wage and, as the employer of parliamentary service staff, we lead by example in paying all parliamentary staff above the living wage.

The position on members’ staff is that the employment relationship is directly between the member and their member of staff. The rate of pay is therefore a matter for each individual member to determine.

Kezia Dugdale

The member will be aware that I have previously raised the issue of the living wage at corporate body question time, particularly with regard to contract staff in the Parliament building. Will he update us on progress in that regard and on whether that work applies to members’ offices? I am sure that he would appreciate that it would be good practice for all members to pay their staff the living wage.

Liam McArthur

Not only do I recognise the lead that Kezia Dugdale has taken on the issue, I recall that she secured a debate on the issue during living wage week and, due to laryngitis, had to have John Park step into her shoes. I am glad that she has refound her voice to continue her campaign on the issue.

In relation to contract staff in the Parliament, we are aware that there are particular issues in relation to catering and cleaning staff. We continue to have discussions with the contractors over that to ensure that we are applying what pressure we can within the limits that apply in relation to procurement.

As a parliamentary corporate body, we have taken a strong lead on the issue. We hope that that sets an example for MSPs. However, all of us probably have a role to play in exerting pressure on our colleagues to ensure that they are paying the living wage to each member of their staff.

Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)

There is a large facilities management company that does work for some of the Ayrshire councils. Its revenues last year were £2 billion. It paid corporation tax of 1.1 per cent, in comparison with standard corporation tax of 23 per cent. Will the SPCB ensure that full due diligence is done on all companies that we deal with so that they comply with corporate tax requirements?

I am not convinced that that ties in with Kezia Dugdale’s question. Mr McArthur, do you want to make any comment?

Liam McArthur

I will try to be helpful. It is certainly an issue that has been raised by a number of members in the past. There are limits to what the corporate body can do about the tax arrangements through which individual companies may seek to organise their affairs. Nevertheless, I reassure the chamber that we exert thorough due diligence in contractual arrangements before signing any contract.

John Wilson has pressed his request-to-speak button. Is that for a supplementary on this issue?

Yes. Does the corporate body monitor how many interns are recruited at any one time in Parliament?

Liam McArthur

We will have a clear figure of the number of interns in the Parliament’s departments. It is perhaps slightly more difficult to get an accurate figure for the number of MSPs’ interns. Although I am happy to liaise with John Wilson on how we could capture that figure to see what information might flow from such an exercise, I go back to the point that I made in response to Kezia Dugdale: the arrangements between individual members and their staff are really a matter for members.


SPCB Questions



4. To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body how many oral questions have been (a) lodged for and (b) taken at SPCB questions in the current parliamentary session. (S4O-01893)

I ask other members if they would mind stopping conversations in the chamber.

Liam McArthur (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body)

Including the six questions lodged for answer today, 32 oral questions to the SPCB have been lodged in the current parliamentary session. Twenty of the 26 questions lodged prior to today have been taken at SPCB question time, with the remaining six having received written answers.

Would the corporate body consider either increasing the number of corporate body question sessions in Parliament or extending the length of those sessions?

Liam McArthur

I pay tribute to John Wilson’s recognition that corporate body questions are one of the unheralded success stories of the Parliament. I am sure that he has the backing of many members in that regard.

The frequency of SPCB question time is really a matter for the Parliamentary Bureau. There is perhaps a legitimate discussion to be had in the bureau about whether the number of sessions that we have is adequate.

The length of the question session is set out in standing orders—it is limited to 15 minutes. I note, however, that at the previous question session in November, 10 questions were lodged and there were a number of supplementaries—principally on information technology issues—which meant that the session ran on to 23 minutes. The Presiding Officer on that day clearly got caught up in the excitement of it all.

Since the establishment of the Parliament, it has been the norm for us to have three to four question sessions over the course of a year. It is perhaps worth asking the bureau to look at whether that is adequate. However, given the number of oral and written questions that are lodged, I am not sure that there is unmet demand and a compelling case for additional sessions.


Accessibility of Parliamentary Campus (People with Autistic Spectrum Disorder)



5. To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body what work is being done to improve accessibility to the parliamentary campus for people with autistic spectrum disorder. (S4O-01860)

David Stewart (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body)

The SPCB is committed to an on-going programme of continuous improvement for accessibility and makes every effort to involve groups of disabled people in identifying where improvements can be made within the parliamentary campus.

Recently we have been working with Autism Initiatives UK and the National Autistic Society to enable us to respond positively to the needs of people with autism who visit the Parliament building. For example, with Autism Initiatives UK, we have developed a training programme that is aimed at our public-facing staff, which will help them to gain a better understanding of the needs of people with autism and how best to respond to their individual needs.

Mark McDonald

The member might be aware of the National Autistic Society’s process of accreditation, which the Northern Ireland Assembly achieved in 2012. That involved changes being made to the Assembly building, such as the provision of a quiet room, changes to signage and warning signs being placed on such things as noisy hand-dryers. It also involved the provision of training to front-line staff and the creation of autism champions. Is the SPCB looking at how it can work towards achieving accreditation for this establishment?

David Stewart

I am very grateful to Mr McDonald for raising the issue with us. An initial meeting has taken place with the National Autistic Society and we are now exploring the matter further with the relevant business areas across the Parliament to identify whether we are meeting the needs of people with autism and where further development would be beneficial.

We also intend to make contact with the officer at the Northern Ireland Assembly who led the process for gaining the autism access award to find out how that worked for the Assembly.

We will update the member once further progress has been made.


Catering Contractor (Traceability of Meat)



6. To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body what recent discussions it has had with its catering contractor regarding the traceability of its meat supply chain. (S4O-01894)

Linda Fabiani (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body)

There have certainly been a few recent discussions with our catering contractor, which has assured us that all meat products served at the Parliament have full traceability and are either red tractor or Quality Meat Scotland certified. That certification requires the meat product to be fully audited from the source to the plate.

Alison Johnstone

The Soil Association’s food for life catering mark provides independent assurance on traceability and quality, not just of meat but of all food groups. Already one in 10 schools in Scotland hold the mark. Kitchens in the City of Edinburgh Council, NHS Lothian and the University of Edinburgh are working towards knowing where all their food comes from. Will the SPCB consider requiring the Parliament’s catering contractor to work towards achieving the Soil Association quality mark and join in that good work, which looks to improve food quality, localise our food and strengthen our local economy?

Linda Fabiani

Certainly. Our current catering contract requires food standards to comply with certain assurance schemes that include animal welfare standards, such as the red tractor and Quality Meat Scotland standards. There are also the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals freedom food standards.

I am interested in what Alison Johnstone has said. We can ask that it be looked into to see whether it might be worth considering in future contracts that go out to tender.