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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, February 23, 2012


Contents


Scottish Executive Question Time


Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy


Naloxone



1. To ask the Scottish Government what information it holds on how many lives have been saved by the use of naloxone in the last year. (S4O-00707)

The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)

Prior to the launch of Scotland’s national naloxone programme in June 2011, the numbers of naloxone kits that had been issued and lives saved as a result were not collected. As a Government, we have commissioned the national health service Information Services Division to collect data on all the kits issued as a result of Scotland’s take-home naloxone programme. There are plans to publish the information in June, and it will cover the period from April 2011 to March 2012.

All individuals who are offered training and a naloxone kit are asked whether the kit is their first and, if it is not, they are asked how their previous kit was used. However, not all individuals are prepared to provide that information. The impact of the programme will be measured using a baseline, and the reach of the programme will be measured by asking services to complete a data sheet each time naloxone is supplied. That will give us information on how many naloxone kits, on average, are being supplied to individuals.

I thank the minister for his reply. Has consideration been given to extending the range of people who are trained in the use of naloxone—in particular, police officers?

Michael Matheson

The intention is that the programme reach as widely and appropriately as possible, to both specialist and non-specialist health staff. Naloxone training and awareness sessions have already been delivered to prison staff, homelessness services, carers organisations, family and community groups, and staff in Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland. We have also had awareness sessions delivered through police forces and at the Scottish Police College at Tulliallan. The Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency is a member of the Scottish naloxone advisory group and of the national forum for drug-related deaths, and we continue to have dialogue on what further measures we can take to ensure that the police are aware of the role that naloxone can play.


Eating Disorders Awareness Week



2. This feels like a bit of déjà vu.

To ask the Scottish Government what steps it has taken to support eating disorders awareness week, which began on 20 February. (S4O-00708)

The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)

I thank the member for his question. I was delighted to participate in his members’ business debate yesterday, which assisted us in placing greater focus on some of the issues of concern in eating disorders awareness week. I also had the pleasure on Tuesday of attending, at the City Art Centre in Edinburgh, the launch of a photographic exhibition demonstrating some of the experiences that young people have had while recovering from eating disorders. The “Re-capture” exhibition will be moved to a variety of locations in Scotland to try to ensure that the issue is as widely recognised as possible, and it will be here in Parliament next week. We are also considering whether we can assist in making the exhibition part of Scotland’s mental health arts and film festival later this year.

Dennis Robertson

I thank the minister for his response. What further steps can the Government take to raise among general practitioners and medical students awareness of eating disorders, including through training programmes, and to ensure that the matter is higher on their agendas?

Michael Matheson

That was touched on in yesterday’s members’ business debate. We have NHS Scotland’s eating disorders education and training initiative, but I am more than happy to consider whether we can take further action to encourage medical and associated healthcare professionals to participate in it. Such education and training would increase their awareness and understanding of eating disorders, and ensure that when someone made their first point of contact with the services the disorder was identified as early as possible and they were referred to the care setting that would be most appropriate for the support and assistance that they require. I am more than happy to keep the member informed of our progress on that.

Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)

To follow on from that and from Dennis Robertson’s experience of the available service, I note from paragraphs 94 to 97 inclusive in the summary of the then Health Committee’s “5th Report, 2005 (Session 2): Eating Disorders Inquiry” that there are specific recommendations to Government and the Royal College of General Practitioners on GP training. Will the minister either advise me of progress on that or push such training forward?

Michael Matheson

I am aware of the report to which Nanette Milne refers. Her former colleague David Davidson was instrumental in consideration of the matter in a previous session of Parliament. Given the nature of the recommendations in the report, if it would be helpful I would be more than happy to write to the member detailing what progress has been made on each of the areas that are the responsibility of the Scottish Government.


Deaf and Hard-of-hearing People (Scottish Borders) (Support)



3. To ask the Scottish Executive how it is supporting deaf and hard-of-hearing people in the Scottish Borders. (S4O-00709)

The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)

The Scottish Government works with a number of organisations to raise awareness of issues that affect the deaf community, to ensure that the views of deaf people are heard, to reduce barriers to inclusion for deaf people and to bring about an improvement in service planning and delivery.

On 5 March 2011, the Scottish Government formally recognised British Sign Language as a language and since 2004 has provided funding and other support for BSL work throughout Scotland.

John Lamont

A number of my constituents who are deaf and hard of hearing have contacted me about the difficulties that they have experienced when they need to contact emergency services and their general practitioners. Many local health services rely on text phones to solve that problem. Such phones cost in excess of £100, so residents often prefer to use text messaging on their mobile phones. However, none of the emergency services and few health centres offer that facility. Is the minister aware of such initiatives? What can be done to encourage use of text messaging from health services to deaf and hard-of-hearing people?

Michael Matheson

I recognise the issue. It is extremely important that, within the national health service in Scotland overall, we look at how we can continue to enable the public to contact the NHS in ways that are most appropriate to them and which reduce potential barriers that they may face because of disabilities. We are in the process of developing a national strategy covering a range of electronic contacts with individuals in the NHS, which would address the very issue that the member has raised. As part of that national strategy, we are looking at the various modes and methods that people could use to access the NHS in Scotland. Contact has already been made with BSL group users and an official will be inviting the Borders deaf and hard of hearing network to provide its views as we develop the strategy.

Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)

I welcome the support that the Scottish Government provides to deaf and hard-of-hearing people.

Has the minister considered the motion in my name on lip reading, which has attracted cross-party support? Will the Scottish Government continue to work with local authorities and the audiology services advisory group to improve the provision of lip-reading tutors in order that that essential skill can be offered to all people with a hearing loss? Will he meet me and the Scottish Council on Deafness to discuss its proposal that lip-reading classes be funded as part of rehabilitation support for people who have hearing loss?

Michael Matheson

I would be more than happy to meet Jim Eadie and the organisation to which he referred.

Jim Eadie may be aware that the Scottish Government has recently created a working group to look at lip-reading provision and the availability of lip-reading tutors. We have also been considering re-establishing the lip-reading tutor training course in Scotland and we have provided some £100,000 in the current financial year to take forward that work. Members of that group include Action on Hearing Loss, the Scottish Council on Deafness, and Hearing Link.

We recognise that there are concerns. I am aware of the member’s motion and would be more than happy to meet him and the organisation that he mentioned to consider what further measures could be taken forward to address their concerns.


Neurological Health Services (Clinical Standards)

Paul Wheelhouse (South Scotland) (SNP)



4. To ask the Scottish Government how it will hold to account national health service boards that are not meeting clinical standards in neurological health services so that there is a consistent service across Scotland, including in rural areas. (S4O-00710)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)

It is a priority for the Scottish Government to ensure that the neurological standards are implemented, because they offer the best mechanism for achieving safe, effective and person-centred care. We have provided boards with £1.2 million to develop local neurological service improvement groups as the main vehicles for implementing the standards. Boards have already completed an assessment of their progress on the generic standards and are now conducting a peer-review evaluation, including an evaluation of the agreed multiple sclerosis standard, to gauge their progress. The findings from the peer review will be published in June and will be used by boards to inform their local neurological service improvement plans.

In addition, Healthcare Improvement Scotland and the Scottish Government have written jointly to all boards to request an outline of their plans for continuing their neurological service improvement work once the Healthcare Improvement Scotland improvement programme comes to an end in March. Of course, we hold all boards to account through the normal performance-management arrangements.

Paul Wheelhouse

I thank the cabinet secretary for her helpful answer. I understand that the prevalence of multiple sclerosis in the Borders is higher than the national average but that, at present, there is no specialist neurological consultant provision for patients with the condition in the NHS Borders area. I respect the autonomy of NHS boards to make clinical decisions, but will the cabinet secretary clarify the Scottish Government’s expectations on the availability of dedicated specialist consultant provision in rural areas such as the Borders?

Nicola Sturgeon

Paul Wheelhouse raises an important point about the prevalence of multiple sclerosis, which is higher in Scotland than it is in many other parts of the world. Within Scotland, there are areas of particularly high prevalence; as Paul Wheelhouse pointed out, that is the case in the Borders.

It is for local health boards to determine their staffing arrangements to ensure that they meet the needs of the populations that they serve. However, the standards to which I referred in my earlier answer state that NHS boards should provide patients who have MS with access to a multidisciplinary team that specialises in management of MS. As I said, we expect boards to implement those standards and to ensure that they deliver the required standard of care. That area of work is extremely important for the Government, and I know that members are extremely interested in it. I am happy to keep Paul Wheelhouse and other members apprised of developments in their areas.


NHS Dumfries and Galloway (Backlog Maintenance Risk Profile)



5. To ask the Scottish Executive what its position is on the backlog maintenance risk profile of NHS Dumfries and Galloway, as reported in “State of the NHSScotland Estate 2011”. (S4O-00711)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)

The “State of the NHSScotland Estate 2011” report is the first survey of the NHS Scotland estate since 2000 and the most comprehensive ever undertaken. The report gives a snapshot of the position at the time when the data for the report were collated, as well as a clear foundation on which to build and to measure progress.

My officials are working with NHS Dumfries and Galloway and other boards to consider how the issues that were identified by the state of the estate report are addressed. In Elaine Murray’s area, that includes support for reprovision of the Dumfries and Galloway royal infirmary which, when combined with planned maintenance and disposals, will reduce the backlog of £58.6 million, as identified in the report, to £10.7 million.

Elaine Murray

The cabinet secretary will be aware that more than 50 per cent of the backlog maintenance in NHS Dumfries and Galloway is in the “high risk” and “significant risk” categories and that NHS Dumfries and Galloway has the highest backlog maintenance cost per square metre of any board in Scotland. I am aware of the plans for the new Dumfries and Galloway royal infirmary, but it is anticipated that the new hospital will not be completed before 2016-17. Is the cabinet secretary confident that the current facilities will remain fit for purpose until the new hospital is in operation? I seek her reassurance that the statistics pose no threat to community facilities in the region, such as cottage hospitals.

Nicola Sturgeon

It is the responsibility of every health board in Scotland to ensure good quality services for the patients whom they exist to serve, and to ensure patient safety. I expect that of NHS Dumfries and Galloway, just as I expect it of every health board. I am well aware of the contents of the state of the estate report and I do not underestimate the challenges that are presented in it.

I should point out that throughout the period of the last Administration we did not know what the state of the estate was, because “State of the NHSScotland Estate 2011” is the first report on the matter that has been produced since 2000.

I am determined that we will work with health boards to ensure that they carry out the requisite maintenance. Despite the significant capital budget cuts that we have experienced, over the spending review period we will invest £2 billion in health service capital. I have made it clear to boards that they must focus on the areas of the estate that most require maintenance. The maintenance of the estate is an area of great priority, and my officials and I will work closely with boards to ensure that the requisite work is carried out.

Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)

I welcome the survey that the cabinet secretary mentioned. The backlog of maintenance in Dumfries and Galloway is £58 million, but NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde’s backlog is £175 million, which includes the £27 million of work that is required at the Vale of Leven hospital, the £18 million that is required at the Royal Alexandra hospital and the £17 million that needs to be spent at Inverclyde royal hospital. What steps is the cabinet secretary taking to address the backlog? What is the likely timescale for dealing with the backlog in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde and, in reference to the original question, in NHS Dumfries and Galloway?

Nicola Sturgeon

I am sure that Jackie Baillie will be popular with the colleague who will ask specifically about NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde later.

As I said in response to Elaine Murray, I do not underestimate the challenges that the report has highlighted, but Jackie Baillie should reflect on the fact that the backlog has not accumulated over the four—nearly five—years of this Government. Of course, we did not know what the state of the estate was under the previous Government, because it did not bother to do a survey and tell us. We now have the information, and members of the Parliament and the public will be able to hold us to account.

Jackie Baillie mentioned NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, which gives me the opportunity to mention the £840 million new Southern general hospital, which is under construction using public funds. As I said, the report presents challenges but, through its actions and its plans, this Government is determined to meet those challenges. I think that that makes a rather refreshing change from what we saw under the previous Administration.

Question 6 has been withdrawn for what I hope are understandable reasons.


Cancer Prevention (Lifestyle and Environmental Risks)



7. To ask the Scottish Government whether it considers that it has appropriately balanced its efforts to prevent cancer between lifestyle and environmental risks. (S4O-00713)

The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)

Trends and scientific evidence suggest that lifestyle factors such as smoking, poor diet, low physical activity, obesity and excess alcohol consumption can all increase a person’s risk of getting cancer. To tackle those issues, we have implemented a framework for action on changing Scotland’s relationship with alcohol, together with a comprehensive package of measures to prevent smoking uptake and to help smokers to quit, as well as taking action on healthy eating and increased physical activity.

In considering environmental factors that can increase the risk of cancer, we have implemented air-quality standards and have highlighted the importance of avoiding overexposure to the sun. In addition, we work with other bodies to ensure that food and chemical regulations are appropriately implemented and that toxins and carcinogens are monitored.

Alison Johnstone

I thank the minister for the actions that are being taken.

In 2009, the expert President’s cancer panel published serious concerns that

“the true burden of environmentally induced cancer has been grossly underestimated.”

In 2010, a peer-reviewed paper in the British Journal of Cancer found that four key lifestyle factors—tobacco, diet, being overweight and alcohol consumption, which the minister mentioned—accounted for approximately one third of cancers. That leaves a very large proportion of cancers being accounted for by other risk factors, including environmental risks.

Will the minister commit to placing a greater focus on primary prevention of cancer and recognise that a large proportion of cancers cannot be blamed on individuals’ choice of what they eat and whether they smoke, but on other factors, including exposure to carcinogens in the land, air and water of Scotland?

Michael Matheson

I assure the member that we consider all the necessary appropriate scientific data in relation to risk factors in development of cancers. We believe that the balance that we have struck appropriately addresses the scientific evidence to date.

The Government is advised by organisations such as Health Protection Scotland, the Health Protection Agency and the Health and Safety Executive. If we should be taking particular measures on any environmental factors that they bring to our attention and that have a good scientific basis for policy, we will give those measures careful consideration.


Neurological Health Services (Clinical Standards) (Monitoring)



8. To ask the Scottish Government how it will monitor progress by NHS boards in meeting the clinical standards for neurological health services after the implementation programme ends in March 2012. (S4O-00714)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)

As I said in response to Paul Wheelhouse, we are determined to ensure that the neurological standards are implemented. Healthcare Improvement Scotland is actively supporting boards in implementing the standards and has been closely monitoring their progress. Of course, from April 2012, it will be for NHS boards to decide how to implement the standards to reflect local priorities. I expect NHS boards to continue their improvement work to ensure that people who are living with neurological conditions receive the care and support that they need and deserve.

Malcolm Chisholm

I thank the cabinet secretary for that answer and for her detailed answer to Paul Wheelhouse. We all recognise the recent progress that has been made with the implementation programme, but the cabinet secretary will know about the concerns of several organisations that work in neurological health about what will happen in the future. She referred to a peer review that is being conducted, but will peer reviews be conducted subsequently? I suppose that that relates to a more general issue about the role of Healthcare Improvement Scotland, which has done great improvement work in neurological standards. Will it have a continuing scrutiny role in their implementation?

Nicola Sturgeon

I thank Malcolm Chisholm for a valid and legitimate question. As part of the peer-review evaluation, Healthcare Improvement Scotland will be looking for boards to evidence their linkages to planning services in their three-year plans. Following publication of the peer review report in June, Healthcare Improvement Scotland expects boards to put in place action plans to ensure the sustainability of improvements and to ensure that they continue well beyond the end of the programme. I assure Malcolm Chisholm that, although the implementation programme will end in March, there will be no let up in ensuring that health boards continue to deliver improvements. As I said in response to Paul Wheelhouse, through the normal performance-management processes, we will ensure that those improvements continue, and I am more than happy to keep interested members up to date and to hear from them at any time if they have any concerns about their NHS areas.


NHS Ayrshire and Arran (Meetings)



9. To ask the Scottish Government when the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy last met NHS Ayrshire and Arran and what matters were discussed. (S4O-00715)

Ministers and Government officials regularly meet representatives of all NHS boards and discuss issues of importance to local people. I spoke to the chair of NHS Ayrshire and Arran by telephone yesterday.

Adam Ingram

I will follow up on that telephone conversation.

Could the cabinet secretary comment on the Healthcare Improvement Scotland investigation of NHS Ayrshire and Arran’s handling of critical incidents and significant adverse events following this week’s scathing report by the Scottish Information Commissioner? Will she agree to meet me and my constituent, Rab Wilson, whose courage and persistence over many years in bringing such issues to light has finally been vindicated?

Nicola Sturgeon

I thank Adam Ingram for his question and for the close and diligent interest that he takes in all matters relating to NHS Ayrshire and Arran. I should also mention the close interest in this issue that is being taken by the Deputy Presiding Officer. I would be very happy to meet Adam Ingram and his constituent Rab Wilson, and I am more than happy to ensure that my office sets up that meeting as quickly as possible.

Patient safety is of paramount importance for me, for the Government and for the NHS and we are seeing real improvements in patient safety as a result of the patient safety programme. I take the Scottish Information Commissioner’s report very seriously for two reasons, the first of which is the indication that the health board did not comply with freedom of information legislation. All boards must comply with the law and I have asked NHS Ayrshire and Arran to assure me that its FOI policies are compliant and to do so within a week.

The second reason for concern is the question whether the matter signifies deficiencies in NHS Ayrshire and Arran’s clinical governance procedures. The board has assured me that the requisite improvements have been made since 2009; it should be said that the report refers, in the main, to matters that occurred before that date. However, I have asked Healthcare Improvement Scotland to audit the relevant clinical governance procedures, and to ensure that I am advised if it believes that there are any national lessons that need to be learned from the experience in NHS Ayrshire and Arran.

I assure Parliament that I treat the matter with the utmost seriousness. All boards are expected to put patient safety at the top of their agendas, and I believe that they do so. It will not be tolerated if any board does not do that.

Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con)

I note what the cabinet secretary said about patient safety. The matters that were touched on by Mr Ingram, and earlier by Mr Scott at First Minister’s question time, are clearly of the utmost seriousness.

The cabinet secretary will know that there have been recent changes in key members of the board of NHS Ayrshire and Arran. Does she—and should the population that is served by the board—continue to have confidence in it generally at the present time? If she is not prepared to say that she has confidence in it, will she say that she will act on any information that she receives as a result of the inquiries that she has instructed, to ensure that that confidence can be restored?

Nicola Sturgeon

I will act on any findings or recommendations from the inquiry.

Yes—I do have confidence in NHS Ayrshire and Arran. It has a new chief executive and a new chairperson and I am confident that they understand the seriousness of the issue and are actively working to ensure that deficiencies that existed in the past—they have acknowledged those deficiencies—are rectified. The actions that I announced yesterday will help to ensure that that is the case, and to assure me that it is the case. I assure Jackson Carlaw that I have confidence in the board, and that I will always act to ensure that deficiencies in patient safety are treated with the utmost seriousness.

Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)

The cabinet secretary might remember that I wrote to her on 1 February expressing concerns about the lack of representation from East Ayrshire Council on the board of NHS Ayrshire and Arran, and I recorded that the council representative had been absent through disqualification since December last year. Does she agree that events at the board show the need for effective governance, and that East Ayrshire Council would do well to reconsider its current situation, whereby it has no representation on the board of that important body?

Nicola Sturgeon

I recall Graeme Pearson’s letter, and I know that I replied to it. I do not have the text of my reply in front of me, so I apologise in advance if I get any of the details wrong, but my recollection is—Graeme Pearson’s question indicates that it is correct—that East Ayrshire Council took the decision not to fill its place on NHS Ayrshire and Arran until after the local authority elections in May. It is not for me to tell a local authority what to do in that regard but—notwithstanding the position in respect of the local authority member—I hope that Graeme Pearson and all members are assured that the board of NHS Ayrshire and Arran, the Government and I take these matters seriously and that action is being taken to ensure that deficiencies that existed in the past are being fully rectified.


Individual Patient Treatment Request Process (Review)



10. To ask the Scottish Executive what action it is taking to review the effectiveness of the national health service individual patient treatment request process. (S4O-00716)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)

National health service boards are expected to maintain an overview of the effectiveness of their local arrangements for the introduction of new medicines, including board management of individual patient treatment requests. Boards were reminded of their responsibilities in that regard in additional guidance that was published on 13 February. It clarifies that NHS board clinicians, as a matter of good practice, should use peer support to sense-check their individual patient treatment applications, and that panels should include a practising medical consultant who has, or who has access to, specialist knowledge of the relevant clinical area. The guidance reflects recommendations that emanated from a clinically led short-life working group to consider the safe and effective use of new medicines.

In addition, the Government will monitor progress in implementing the chief executive letter guidance on the introduction of new medicines, which took effect on 1 April last year.

Ken Macintosh

I am encouraged to hear that guidance has been recirculated.

The cabinet secretary will be aware of my interest in two cases: one relates to constituents with paroxysmal nocturnal haemoglobinuria and the other to patients with melanoma. In both cases, there are drug treatments that are available only through the IPTR process. For people with PNH, the problem appears to be inconsistency between and within hospitals. In relation to people with melanoma, ipilimumab is not available to any patient in Scotland.

Will the minister insist that all health boards publish their IPTR processes, so that patients can have confidence in a transparent process and can believe that the process is not just robust, but fair?

Nicola Sturgeon

I am grateful to Ken Macintosh for organising the meeting with the PNH alliance; I am actively considering the issues that the group raised.

Ken Macintosh is right to highlight the issue of transparency. The purpose of the short-life working group and all our work in the area is to increase the transparency of decision making. For example, the short-life working group considered how decisions that are taken by area drug and therapeutics committees can be open to greater scrutiny, so that there is more transparency. The same logic applies in respect of individual patient treatment requests, although such requests always raise great issues to do with patient confidentiality, so there are slight differences in that regard.

I am committed to improving as much as possible our systems that deal with access to new drugs. The issues are incredibly difficult, as I know that members who deal with constituents in such situations recognise. It is right that there is independence in the process and that it is not subject to political interference. My job is to ensure that there is confidence in the systems that are in place. We have done a power of work to improve the systems, but I am always open to suggestions on how we can improve them even further.

Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)

The cabinet secretary is aware that we very much welcomed the new system that was brought in to be Scotland’s answer to dealing with the issues—I realise how difficult they are.

The new system has not yet passed the critical test of public acceptability—I think that the jury remains out. Will the cabinet secretary say, first, whether patients are represented on the panels? Patient representation is part of getting public confidence in the system. Secondly, will the data on applications and decisions be compiled nationally—as well as dealt with locally, as she announced following the short-life working group’s work—with the appropriate anonymity, to enable Healthcare Improvement Scotland to minimise postcode effects, which still seem to be relatively prevalent?

Nicola Sturgeon

We are gathering national data, which I think will be useful in ensuring that there is equity across the country. Decisions come down to local decision making—that is inevitable—but I want to be assured, as does everyone, that systems are working as equitably as possible.

Richard Simpson asked about patient representation on panels. We are talking about very sensitive issues, and there is an issue to do with the extent to which panels that consider individual patient treatment requests can be opened up. However, I am always happy to consider how processes can be improved.

Richard Simpson made an interesting point—and one on which I reflect a lot—when he rightly questioned whether the new system has passed the test of public acceptability. I am not sure that we will necessarily ever get to a stage at which such decisions will not to some extent be difficult and controversial. Public questions might always be raised about how systems could be improved. Like every other country, we need a system to regulate access to new drugs, but as long as someone might not get access to a particular drug that they think would benefit them, public questions will be asked.

That is why I think that we must all try to consider—on an on-going basis—how systems can be improved in order to build confidence. I am committed to doing that. I readily acknowledge that I do not have all the answers and I will accept suggestions from members of all parties, which I will always consider constructively.


Tackling Poverty



11. To ask the Scottish Executive what progress it has achieved in tackling poverty. (S4O-00717)

The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)

We report progress on tackling poverty in the national performance framework and in the annual “Poverty and income inequality in Scotland” publication. The most recent figures, for 2009-10, show that the overall poverty level is unchanged at 17 per cent, although that figure is too high.

We are doing everything that we can with the powers that we have, but a number of important levers, such as tax and benefits arrangements, are reserved to the United Kingdom Government. Independent analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests that the UK Government’s policies will increase the number of people in poverty in the next three years. I am sure that it will come as no surprise that a majority of us in the chamber believe that this Parliament should have control of all the levers that could assist us in tackling poverty more effectively in Scotland.

Drew Smith

The minister will be aware that I have asked the Scottish Government and the First Minister on a number of occasions about the tackling poverty board and the role that it plays. I cannot understand why that board has not been meeting regularly; I understand that its last meeting was on 13 April last year. It could have a role in monitoring the progress of the Scottish Government’s achieving our potential strategy, given the change in economic circumstances since the strategy was agreed. Can the minister confirm whether the board has met more recently than 13 April last year? Are there any plans to arrange a meeting?

Michael Matheson

We intend to publish in the next few weeks our first annual report on the child poverty element of our overall strategy on tackling poverty in Scotland. We have given a commitment to consider, following that report’s publication, the further measures that we must put in place to continue to address poverty.

I assure the member that there is a strong will on our part to ensure that we do everything possible to tackle poverty as effectively as we can. I am sure that it is not lost on Drew Smith that one of the most effective ways in which we can tackle poverty is to have control of all the economic powers that are necessary to do so effectively. That will be much more effective than any working group in tackling the problem.

Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)

Although I have some sympathy with the minister’s last point, one thing that we can do now is provide advice services, which are crucial for people who are facing poverty.

Is the minister aware of the situation in Glasgow? A decision has been taken essentially to divide the city up into four areas so that four advice service providers can compete for funding and go through a subcontracting process. That process has been put in place so late in the day that, even now, there is uncertainty as to whether five citizens advice bureaux will be able to continue to provide their services in the new financial year. What impact will that have on poverty in Glasgow? Can the minister do anything to raise the issue of that shambles with Glasgow City Council?

Michael Matheson

It is not necessarily for me to comment on the “shambles” in which Glasgow City Council seems to find itself not only in relation to money advice services and information advice services, but in its own chambers. However, I am happy to confirm that, as a Government, we continue to provide support to organisations such as Citizens Advice Scotland and Money Advice Scotland so that they can carry out their important work in helping to minimise people’s risk of falling into poverty, maximise benefits and provide people with debt information.

I encourage all those in Glasgow City Council to focus on what the objective should be, which is to ensure that people receive the advice and information that is most appropriate for them. I hope that their focus is on that, rather than on unnecessarily going through a tendering exercise that could create uncertainty and could reduce the overall standard of service that people receive.


Scottish Care Information Gateway



12. To ask the Scottish Government how the national health service is increasing access to the Scottish care information gateway referral pathway for local specialised practices. (S4O-00718)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)

The Scottish care information gateway was designed to support electronic referrals between general practice and consultant-led services. It is a Scottish success story that has been adopted by colleagues in Wales and Northern Ireland. By the end of 2011, 98 per cent of all general practitioner referrals to national health service hospitals were received through the SCI gateway. Access to the SCI gateway referral pathway for other services is an operational matter for NHS boards.

Colin Beattie

Midlothian Physiotherapy in my constituency has been attempting to gain access to the SCI gateway referral pathway for more than 18 months, but has made extremely slow progress, to the frustration of all those involved. Does the minister agree that quicker action must be taken to ensure that local practices become part of the referral system?

Nicola Sturgeon

I am very sympathetic to the thrust of Colin Beattie’s question. As I said in my original answer, the gateway system is designed to facilitate referrals from GPs to NHS hospitals. However, if a board has an operational requirement that would make using the gateway for referrals to non-NHS contractors desirable, it can arrange that, subject to suitable cost and information-governance arrangements.

As I said in an earlier answer, such decisions are operational matters for boards but, if Colin Beattie wants to send me more details about his constituency issue, I will be more than happy to discuss it with NHS Lothian.