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Chamber and committees

Meeting of the Parliament

Meeting date: Thursday, September 15, 2011


Contents


Scottish Executive Question Time


General Questions


Living Wage (Local Authorities)



1. To ask the Scottish Executive what plans it has to encourage the adoption of the living wage by local authorities both for their own staff and for tendering and procurement processes. (S4O-00144)

The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney)

The Scottish Government is leading by example by including a requirement in our public sector pay policy for 2010-11 for a living wage to be paid to employees covered by the scope of the policy.

We welcome the fact that some local authority areas are paying the living wage to their staff. However, we recognise that local authorities are autonomous bodies that have responsibility for setting the terms and conditions of employment of their own staff and deciding their own tendering and procurement processes.

Kezia Dugdale

I have in my hand a response to a freedom of information request that shows that 16,000 people who work directly for local authorities throughout Scotland still earn less than £7.20 an hour. Is the cabinet secretary aware of the power of local authorities to help the working poor to work their way out of poverty? How will he ensure that those people have a better chance of earning a decent living wage?

John Swinney

The issue comes back to the points that I made in response to Kezia Dugdale’s first question. Although the Government can set an example, we have to accept that local authorities are statutorily autonomous bodies. They are responsible for setting the terms and conditions of employment of their own staff. It is entirely up to local authorities to determine the stance that they take.

The Government believes firmly in the importance of adopting the living wage and of tackling low pay issues. In the areas for which we have responsibility—those that are directly under the control of ministers—we are taking such action.

In those local authorities that have adopted the living wage, has that been passed on to and adopted by arm’s-length organisations and trusts within their remit?

John Swinney

That would again be a matter for the local authorities involved. Clearly, the logical extension of a decision on the part of a local authority to take a stance that is designed to tackle the issue of low pay and provide a living wage for individuals would be to incorporate the bodies that act on its behalf. As Clare Adamson will know, the Government has encouraged public authorities to support the living wage campaign and we will continue to do so.

Will the minister meet Kezia Dugdale and me to discuss the plight of contracted staff in this very building, a number of whom are being paid below the living wage and whose terms and conditions leave a lot to be desired?

That is a matter for the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Mr Findlay may wish to meet me and others on the matter, but I do not think that it comes within the locus of the cabinet secretary.

John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)

Does the cabinet secretary agree that the downside of the living wage is that it does not apply to the private sector, that the real answer must be to look at the low level of the national minimum wage and that power over that should be devolved to Scotland?

John Swinney

I rather like the approach of the Presiding Officer answering questions that are sent in my direction. I hope that that is a trend that will carry on for some time to come.

It is because they are within my remit, Mr Swinney, not yours.

John Swinney

I am aware of that, Presiding Officer. I thought that I would chance it for a second, but I will not do so again. [Laughter.]

Mr Mason makes an important point about pay across the private and public sectors. The Government’s aspiration is to control the full range of issues that affect the lives of our citizens in Scotland. Clearly, employment and issues around the minimum wage are significant issues affecting the public in Scotland, and we would aspire to have responsibility for them.


Enterprise Zones (Selection Criteria)



2. To ask the Scottish Government whether the selection criteria for enterprise zones will favour areas with long-standing high unemployment and deprivation. (S4O-00145)

The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney)

The Scottish Government is currently developing plans for the introduction of a number of enterprise areas in Scotland so as to maximise their economic impact. The criteria we will use to identify specific sites will balance a number of considerations. Those include the potential for attracting significant investment in Scotland’s key sectors and the scope for impact on areas of Scotland where we need to improve economic performance and address issues of disadvantage and deprivation.

Bob Doris

Although we all welcome the recently published Scottish unemployment figures, which contrast starkly with the United Kingdom figures, unemployment endures in some parts of the country more than in others. Is the cabinet secretary aware that three Glasgow constituencies are in the top five for unemployment claimant count, with Maryhill and Springburn, where I stay, having the highest? Does he agree that there is a strong case for enterprise zone status in those key areas? Does the Government agree that there is a moral duty to use economic interventions to improve opportunity for people in the worst-hit parts of Scotland, not merely to maximise economic growth more generally?

John Swinney

There is a challenge in ensuring that areas of deprivation and disadvantage are appropriately and adequately supported to encourage an improvement in the life chances of the individuals who live there, whose economic prospects depend on the economic activity in those areas. As I said in my initial answer to Mr Doris, areas such as those that he mentioned, including Springburn and Maryhill, will be considered in relation to issues of disadvantage and deprivation. I assure him that the Government is determined—as we set out in the economic strategy that was launched on Monday—to support and deliver increased economic growth in Scotland in a way that reaches every part of Scotland, no matter the scale of the challenge that exists in certain parts of the country.

Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)

I would expect a place such as Inverclyde to be high on the cabinet secretary’s priority list. Can he assure us that the enterprise zone work that the Government is going to carry out will be in addition to, supportive of and complementary to the existing work of the urban regeneration companies in such areas rather than to its detriment?

John Swinney

All the approaches that we have had about enterprise zones will be assessed dispassionately to determine how the maximum economic impact can be achieved. Support is being directed to different parts of the country in different ways. Mr McNeil has asked questions about urban regeneration company issues on a number of occasions in the past. I point out, in passing, that he was unable to support the provisions in the budget that supported the urban regeneration company in Inverclyde, but that is history. I assure him that the Government’s approach will be to look dispassionately at the opportunities to strengthen economic impact in all parts of the country.

Helen Eadie (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)

What can the cabinet secretary do to address the concerns of the companies that have approached me with the perception that Government policy simply is not working for them? They are concerned that, although Cowdenbeath has seen the largest increase in unemployment in the whole of Scotland, regional selective assistance is not working for them and they are being driven down to England, where the terms seem to be much better for them.

John Swinney

I am happy to explore any representations that Mrs Eadie wants to make to me about the position of individual companies. The approach that has been taken by Scottish Enterprise has been to set out a mechanism that supports companies in every part of the country to maximise their potential. I do not have to hand the details of the companies in Cowdenbeath that will receive that support, but I am happy to explore the matter for Mrs Eadie. The Government’s ambition is to ensure that we properly and effectively support Scotland’s company base to expand. We saw some of the fruits of that in the labour market statistics that were published yesterday, which showed a rise in employment and a fall in unemployment in Scotland.


Credit Unions (Devolution)



3. To ask the Scottish Executive what its position is on calls by credit unions for regulation of the industry to be devolved to the Scottish Parliament. (S4O-00146)

The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney)

The Government believes that Scotland should have greater responsibility for the decisions that affect our economy and our collective prosperity, including decisions on the work of credit unions.

Does the cabinet secretary share my concern that credit unions in Scotland are now being instructed by the Financial Services Authority to furnish a well-known credit reference agency with their individual members’ personal details?

John Swinney

I am aware of the issue, which was the subject of representations that Mr Lyle made to me on behalf of the Newarthill credit union. I will work to address the issues raised. I understand the concerns and we will work to identify whether a solution can be delivered to improve the position and allay the fears of the credit unions.

Question 4 has been withdrawn although I note that Joan McAlpine is in the chamber.


Royal Alexandra Hospital (Children’s Ward)



5. To ask the Scottish Government what recent discussions it has had with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde regarding the future of the children’s ward at the Royal Alexandra hospital in Paisley. (S4O-00148)

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)

Scottish Government ministers and officials regularly discuss matters of local importance with the management of national health service boards. I understand that NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde’s consideration of in-patient paediatric services at the RAH are at an early stage. Nonetheless, the board has assured me that any proposals will be based on the need to maintain and improve the quality of the service provided to local children and their families. It will also ensure that that thinking is informed by meaningful engagement with local stakeholders.

Neil Bibby

In the past, ministers have been willing to intervene to stop the reduction of health services. If the health board presses ahead with its proposals, will the cabinet secretary use her influence to retain children’s services at the current level at the RAH in Paisley? Will the cabinet secretary come to Paisley to meet staff and parents and hear their concerns at first hand?

Nicola Sturgeon

I appreciate the member pointing out this Government’s proud record in keeping care local. Where any proposals from a health board constitute major service change, as Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy I have the ultimate say in whether the change goes ahead. The member will appreciate that, due to my formal part in the process, it is important that I do not pre-empt consideration at this stage. Just as I would expect the health board to consult widely, if the decision comes to me I will take into account all representations and I would be happy to visit the hospital to speak to patients, their families and staff who are concerned by any proposal.


Stagflation



6. To ask the Scottish Executive whether there are any indications that United Kingdom Government policies are resulting in stagflation in the Scottish economy. (S4O-00149)

The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney)

Economic recovery is taking place in Scotland, as shown by the strong labour market performance yesterday. We are concerned however that this progress could be undermined by the coalition's spending cuts, which are front-loaded to this year and are particularly severe for capital spending.

While we recognise the need to restore the public finances to health, that can be achieved only if there is sufficient growth in the economy. We have urged, and continue to urge, the chancellor to respond by implementing a plan B to promote growth and secure the recovery in Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom.

Colin Beattie

Is the cabinet secretary aware that UK input prices overall rose by 18.5 per cent over the 12 months to July 2011? Significantly, imported food prices rose by 13.8 per cent, imported metals prices rose by 22.1 per cent and oil products prices rose by 45.4 per cent. Does the cabinet secretary agree that, with UK economic activity stagnating and serious inflation at our factory gates, Scotland—more than ever—needs the political and economic power to manage its economy?

John Swinney

I agree with the point made. The current economic circumstances demonstrate that it is possible to take a policy course appropriate to the Scottish economy that delivers results for the people of this country, as evidenced by the labour market statistics announced yesterday, to which I referred. The conclusion we must arrive at is that Scotland would be better placed to exercise judgment on economic issues on its own terms, which is the position of this Government.

Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con)

Will the cabinet secretary take the opportunity to explain the ground rules according to which every positive economic indicator is claimed as a credit to this Government yet every negative economic indicator is blamed on the evil Westminster Government? Will he also take the opportunity to explain how, in an independent Scotland, pigs might fly?

John Swinney

I will persistently remind Mr Johnstone of two things that he has said in the past 24 hours. First, he said that the United Kingdom Government is evil. Secondly, yesterday he showered me with praise for my economic management. I have not yet been to a framing shop to frame the Official Report of the debate, but I am sure that one of my colleagues will attend to the challenge.

I simply point out to Mr Johnstone that the Government accepts its responsibilities fully and is deploying a set of interventions in the economy to promote recovery. I just hope that they are not interrupted by the decisions of the United Kingdom Government.


Infrastructure Investment Plan



7. To ask the Scottish Executive on what date it expects to publish an updated infrastructure investment plan. (S4O-00150)

An updated infrastructure investment plan will be published by the Scottish Government in the autumn.

Lewis Macdonald

Of course, the autumn is a wide category, but I look forward to seeing the plan.

When I called for the publication of an updated plan in June, I reminded ministers of the recommendations of Audit Scotland. Will the new plan provide comprehensive information on the whole-life costs of capital projects and their impact on future revenue budgets, as Audit Scotland said that it should?

Alex Neil

I am more than happy to include in the plan as much information as it is possible to provide at the time. The plan takes a very long-term perspective—around 10 years—and will contain less of the precise information that the member described for projects that are planned for towards the end of a 10-year period than it will for projects that are taking place within, say, the next three years. However, I am always happy to share with members information about the excellent suite of projects that we are taking forward.


Policing



8. To ask the Scottish Government how it plans to maintain front-line policing levels. (S4O-00151)

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)

The Government will continue to put in place the resources needed to maintain front-line policing. This year, despite the unprecedented cuts to Scotland’s budget from Westminster, the deal that we struck with local councils means that our commitment to keeping 1,000 additional officers in Scotland’s communities is being maintained.

Looking forward, we will continue to provide the resources needed to maintain front-line policing, helped by police reform that will remove the unnecessary and unsustainable duplication that comes from doing things eight times over and will free up resources to protect and enhance front-line services.

Margaret Burgess

I thank the cabinet secretary for his answer and warmly welcome his proposals to streamline our police service and accountability structures. Currently in North Ayrshire, where my constituency is, only two councillors are involved in policing matters. Will the cabinet secretary indicate how many North Ayrshire councillors might be involved under a single police force, which would make it much easier for people to raise policing issues with their local representatives?

Kenny MacAskill

The member makes a valid point, which is why we are keen to ensure that accountability is not only maintained but enhanced. As the member points out, in North Ayrshire currently two councillors out of 30 sit on a joint police board of 34. In a single service, we anticipate that there would be around six times that number, which would mean that, instead of two councillors each representing 68,000, we would have 12 councillors each representing 11,000 people. That will provide local members with far better opportunities to meet on policing, to put forward their points and to maintain the local accountability that is necessary in Scotland to ensure that the excellent police service that we have is maintained.

Question 9 is from Chic Brodie. I advise Mr Brodie that I will not take a supplementary.


Scotland Food and Drink (Targets)

Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)



9. To ask the Scottish Government whether it considers Scotland Food and Drink’s targets of increasing food and drink revenues from £10 billion to £12.5 billion and exports from £4 billion to £5.1 billion between 2009 and 2017 achievable and how the Scottish Government can help the organisation achieve them. (S4O-00152)

The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)

Yes, the Scottish Government considers those targets to be achievable. Statistics published last week show that revenues from food and drink reached an all-time high of £11.9 billion in 2009, an increase of more than £700 million on the previous year. We are making phenomenal progress, and we will continue to work with the sector to ensure that it goes from strength to strength.