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Chamber and committees

Health and Sport Committee

Meeting date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012


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Work Programme

The Convener

We move on to agenda item 6. We have in front of us a paper that reminds us that, at our meeting on 24 January 2012, we agreed that, in principle, we would like to visit Glasgow to see the Commonwealth games venues prior to the summer recess. The provisional date that the clerks identified was Tuesday 12 June 2012.

However—such things sometimes happen—we are compelled to consider and agree our NHS boards budget scrutiny report. As the committee will need to devote a full meeting to that in June, that puts our intended visit to Glasgow into question, because the only date that is available is the provisional date for our visit. The fact that we are required to consider and agree our stage 1 report on the Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Bill prior to the summer recess accounts for the other meetings, which is why we have a clash that impacts on our proposed visit.

If we are still keen to conduct a visit before summer, we could identify a Monday or Friday that suits the majority of members—that option is available. Alternatively, a visit could be combined with a business planning day in August—that is another option. If we go for the August option, we will need to agree to hold a business planning day in Glasgow.

I suggest that we take that part of the paper before we move on. I presume that we agree that, given the pressure of work and our responsibilities as a committee, the 12 June option is no longer viable.

Members indicated agreement.

13:00

Richard Lyle

Convener, I note that we are pressed for time and cannot do 12 June, and I note that 5 June is the public holiday for the Queen’s diamond jubilee, but I am keen to see the Commonwealth games structures that have been erected in Glasgow. Can I suggest that rather than leave it to the latter end of the year we look at Monday 4 June? I also have comments about sport—

The Convener

We will come on to that part of the paper. Thank you, that was useful. I ask members to note that 4 June is also a public holiday. I am sure that you are not hung up on the date and that you are suggesting that, if it can be managed and the majority of members can come, a day could be arranged before the summer.

Yes.

People whom we need to see might be on holiday if we turn up on 4 June. That is a practical problem.

That is a practical consideration. Leaving aside the date, which is unconfirmed, do we agree to ask the clerks to attempt to get a suitable date, which is not a holiday, and to attempt to facilitate a visit before the summer break?

Yes.

Is that the majority view?

Members indicated agreement.

The Convener

Under the heading “Inquiry work” in the paper, there is an opportunity for the committee to hold up to four oral evidence sessions during September 2012. The reason we are discussing that now is that we need to put arrangements in place before the summer recess and contact people who might participate.

As we have said before, we have spent a lot of time on health and social care and on legislation, and members have reminded us that the committee has a sport remit. Some members have a strong interest in conducting a sport-related inquiry.

There are a couple of options on the table for members to consider. One is an inquiry into support for community sport—I will not read out everything in the paper, but it talks about community facilities, access, sports hubs, private finance initiative facilities and so on. Another is an inquiry into preparations for the Commonwealth games—facilities, governance and whatever.

Bob Doris

Of course we should take the temperature of progress on the Commonwealth games at some point, but I do not think that we need to have an inquiry. We could have a focused, one-off session with the individual who is responsible for delivering the games, to get matters on the public record. I would nudge to one side the idea of doing an inquiry on that.

I am keen to see a fairly meaty inquiry into how sport is used to give positive health outcomes at all levels of society. The convener knows that I have already been to see the work of the football fans in training programme and how that interacts with positive health outcomes. We should see how sport—whether football, basketball, athletics, in local sporting clubs or at the level of the national governing bodies—is being used and often publicly funded to get public health benefits. We need to find out what good work is being done, how it is monitored, and how it can be promoted and potentially funded. I am keen to see such a piece of work being done over a number of weeks.

Drew Smith

I agree with Bob Doris that there is no need for an explicit inquiry into Commonwealth games preparations at the moment, because there is already quite a lot of information about that in the public domain. We might want to come back to it later. However, we probably should get into discussing the health legacy of the games at some point, and that might combine quite well with the other suggestion of an inquiry into support for community sport and, as a second part of that, Bob Doris’s point about the health benefits from public funding of sport. I would be quite interested in following up the issues around community sports facilities, what is out there, and what is happening, particularly in the current economic environment, so I would certainly prefer an inquiry into that to a report on the Commonwealth games.

Nanette Milne

I agree with that. I have been a bit involved with the sporting side of things recently and there are concerns, particularly about issues such as opening up the school estate for communities to use. There are a number of questions about such issues that need to be answered. It would be useful for the committee to hold an inquiry into that.

Richard Lyle

I totally agree with all the comments that have been made. We have to look at some of the community sports and the sports hubs. We had a report some months ago about the success of some sports hubs and bringing them into other areas. Some councils could learn from what has been done in other areas and I am comfortable with the suggestion that we should look at community sports.

Some might say that we should have an investigation into the Scottish Football Association, but I do not think that I will even go there.

You have just done so.

We have to look at all sports—football, volleyball and all the various things—and at how coaching is done across the Scotland brand and supported, especially by the lottery fund.

The Convener

Okay, thank you. There seems to be a strong consensus for doing some such work in September, and support for sport seems to be the preferred option. We have agreed to that in principle.

We have about four days, I think, in which we have the opportunity to spend some time on such an inquiry, but that might also give us a bit of time to address the issue of access to newly licensed medicines.

Jim Eadie

I endorse the views of the keen sportspeople on the committee, whose comments were well made. On access to medicines, I think that all members are probably experiencing through their postbag and e-mail inboxes a degree of public concern. I know that to be the case in my constituency, where there is concern about the operation and implementation of the individual patient treatment request process. I know that mine is not an isolated experience so I would welcome a one-off session on that process.

As for the suggested witnesses in the private paper that the clerk has prepared, there would be limited value—although there would be value—in having only the Scottish Medicines Consortium and representatives of area drug and therapeutics committees before us, because the guidance is issued by the chief medical officer for Scotland. The chief medical officer and the chief pharmaceutical officer conducted the recent review. If we have a one-off inquiry, we should bring the CMO and the CPO before us, so that we can ask them about and hold them to account for the system’s operation. If we had a short-term inquiry without hearing from the CMO and the CPO, it would be of limited value.

An additional question is how the views of area drug and therapeutics committees would be heard, given that the SMC is a consortium of those committees. I am curious about who the suggested witnesses would be in addition to the SMC.

Bob Doris

I agree with a significant part of what Jim Eadie said. Consideration of the issue represents on-going work, because we have looked at individual patient treatment requests in dealing with petitions. I would not use the term “inquiry”; we would be getting information on the record and asking key questions.

I would urge caution; we must ensure that we look at processes rather than individual drugs. I pay tribute to Nanette Milne, who has hosted a couple of events in the Parliament recently in relation to the depoliticisation of the Scottish Medicines Consortium, which has a unique position. The aim would be to get more information about timescales, processes and how different things come together.

I would be cautious about allocating more than one day to the subject initially. If we are not holding an inquiry, we do not have to have a run of evidence sessions week after week. We should not squeeze out sport and the links between preventative spend, physical activity and health benefits. The question is how we would slot the evidence into September. I would probably steer us towards allocating one day to the subject.

I made it clear that I was looking for a one-off session. When I referred to an inquiry, I meant a short-term inquiry that would take one day.

The Convener

The issue is squeezing other people into that inquiry. I support Bob Doris’s view that the purpose of our session on newly licensed medicines should be more to draw out information. The subject will be part of on-going work, because we will deal with the petitions at a future date. We could broaden the witness panels in any subsequent session.

If we had three days for sport, that could allow us to be a bit innovative in taking evidence. Perhaps that should not all be taken here—we could use one committee day to get out there. As Gil Paterson said, it is good to get out.

What about Lake Tahoe?

The Convener

Perhaps we could use our imagination in how we use the two or three days that are allocated to sport.

If we have consensus, all that remains is for us to agree to devote our meeting on 12 June to consideration of our draft report on NHS boards budget scrutiny; to confirm, following our discussion, the decision that we will use three of our days in September to look at the sport issues that have been described and that we will use one day in September to discuss access to new medicines; and to agree to hold a business planning day in late August, when we will discuss our general approach to inquiries and scrutiny. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Do I take it that we will select a Monday or another day in June to see Commonwealth games sites?

My apologies, Richard. Yes. That is an additional decision. We can ask the clerks to see how we can best make that happen and get a suitable date for the majority of committee members.

13:15

Drew Smith

In our previous discussions about the work plan, I think that I mentioned health and safety, which I am keen for us to come to at some point. We have probably filled up a good part of this year, so we might be talking about next year. I simply want to flag up for the clerks’ information that health and safety remains an issue that I would like us to look at in the future. I think that the Scottish Affairs Committee will report on it during the summer. That could be the start of the process. We could take a look at that report and think about whether there is an opportunity next year.

In a previous discussion about the work programme, we discussed how to fit in evidence on unannounced inspections, particularly in care. Perhaps we should consider that next time we look at the work programme.

Yes.

Yes.

Bob Doris

That is helpful. I agree with both of those things.

On a housekeeping matter, if we are going to see the Commonwealth games venues this side of the recess, and although, as a Glasgow MSP, I am always delighted about the committee going to Glasgow, which is clearly the best city in Scotland, perhaps it would be an idea to find an alternative venue for the away day. We have talked about reaching out to other parts of the country.

The Convener

Yes.

I take Drew Smith’s view. We have previously discussed how we would develop our work programme, and I hope that we can consider that as well as specific subjects and how we can engage more successfully with people in the community who wish to engage with us and give them opportunities to influence our work programme and our inquiry work, at least in a conversation with us, if nothing else. I hope that we can deal with those issues in August and make progress on them as well.

I suggest Aberdeen as an alternative venue to Glasgow. We have a fantastic new sports village, which involves the whole community and has been really highly spoken of. I recommend that the committee visit it.

Glasgow and Aberdeen have been commended. I expect no less from MSPs who represent those areas.

I thank members for their participation and patience.

And thanks to the convener.

That concludes the meeting.

Meeting closed at 13:17.