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Chamber and committees

Plenary,

Meeting date: Thursday, May 26, 2005


Contents


Points of Order

Alex Fergusson (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (Con):

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Over the past two weeks or so, the agricultural industry has been highly concerned by the impact that the Scottish Executive Environment and Rural Affairs Department's reassessment of support paid under agri-environmental schemes would have on individual producers. It is commendable that the Minister for Environment and Rural Development has ordered a swift rethink, but in doing so, he has publicly and strongly condemned officials for the unsatisfactory state of affairs that has come about.

In her response to Tricia Marwick's point of order yesterday, the Minister for Parliamentary Business stated:

"it is not appropriate to call into question the actions of officials who cannot answer for themselves in this chamber."—[Official Report, 25 May 2005; c 17211.]

If it is wrong for Tricia Marwick to call into question the actions of officials, may I ask why it appears to be in order for ministers to do so?

Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):

I thank the member for his point of order. I point out that the Minister for Parliamentary Business, who criticised me yesterday, said in her defence that it was the fault of her officials that she was late in moving an important motion this morning. I point out that the minister's job is hardly onerous. She is required to be here on time and she is required to say, "Formally moved." It is a bit much that she blamed her officials for her failure to get here on time.

The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Ms Margaret Curran):

Yet again we see the graciousness of the Scottish National Party as it conducts its business. It is to Tricia Marwick's great discredit that she debases this Parliament time and again to discuss trivia. It is time that we put an end to that.

I want to say for the record that I would be surprised if all my Parliamentary Bureau colleagues did not agree with me when I make it clear that I make strenuous efforts to ensure that the Executive complies with all appropriate parliamentary procedures. There is all the difference in the world between a genuine mistake being made and people malevolently misusing the name of officials in the Executive. I am very clear about that difference, and no matter how much the SNP tries to pretend that there is no difference, we will maintain the standards of common sense and rationale. Just now and again, it would be nice if the SNP and the Tories adhered to them as well.

Rosie Kane (Glasgow) (SSP):

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. [Interruption.] Members should not hum and haw at me—other members have had a go.

I wonder whether Alex Fergusson and Tricia Marwick agree with me. I nearly made the point that I am about to make yesterday and am glad that I have been given a second chance to make it today. The same thing happened with the report on the M74 northern extension—[Interruption.] Members should not draw breath.

Ministers and back-bench members condemned the reporters in the same way, so there is a wee bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):

I return to Mr Fergusson. I am not sidestepping the issue, but the simple fact is that I can rule only on what is said in the chamber, what is in the Official Report and what is subject to verification. As I said in response to yesterday's point of order, I have no way of knowing whether what has been said is true. I cannot be expected to rule on anything that is said outwith the chamber.