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Chamber and committees

Subordinate Legislation Committee, 20 Mar 2007

Meeting date: Tuesday, March 20, 2007


Contents


Executive Responses


Queen Margaret University, Edinburgh (Scotland) Order of Council 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/116)

The Deputy Convener (Mr Kenneth Macintosh):

I welcome members to the 11th meeting in 2007 of the Subordinate Legislation Committee. Convener Sylvia Jackson sends her apologies, as does Adam Ingram. Euan Robson will be here shortly.

Agenda item 1 is a large number of Executive responses. Do members want to raise any points on the order in council?

Members:

No.

The Deputy Convener:

The defective drafting in article 2 was acknowledged by the Executive, although it is not such as to affect the order of council's validity.

The Executive provided clarification to the committee in respect of the transitional arrangements and a satisfactory response in relation to the reference to "any governors in office".

The Executive acknowledged the defective drafting in article 6(9), and it has provided information to the committee in relation to articles 6(7)(c) and (g).

Are members content to draw the attention of Parliament to the order of council on those grounds?

Members indicated agreement.


Charities Accounts (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/136)

Do members want to raise any points on the regulations?

I am happy with what is recommended.

We were concerned that there was no Executive note. One had in fact been printed, but not sent to us, and we received an apology from the Executive.

It was lost in the post.

The Deputy Convener:

Exactly—it was lost somewhere in the realms of the Executive. Therefore, if members are content, we will draw the regulations to the attention of Parliament on the basis that the Executive inadvertently failed to provide us with an Executive note. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.


Tuberculosis (Scotland) Order 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/147)

The Deputy Convener:

Are members content to draw the order to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that there has been a failure to follow proper legislative practice by reason of the use of enabling powers subject to different parliamentary procedures in one instrument? The issue has raised its head a number of times.

Mr Maxwell:

We have covered the point in the past few weeks, and we have come to a bit of an impasse with the Executive. It is now for the legacy paper and a future committee to take up.

I still hold to the view that it is not right to combine different powers in the same instrument. I find it slightly strange that the Executive has agreed that affirmative and negative powers should not be combined in the same instrument but takes the opposite view when the powers are subject to negative and no parliamentary procedure. I would have thought that the same logic held in both cases.

I also note that the Executive says that it is not a recent trend to use such instruments. However, considering the examples that it has given—two such instruments in the 1980s, one in the 1990s, a couple in 2003 and several in the past three weeks—it sounds as if there is a recent trend. However, that is for the next committee to take on board.

Murray Tosh:

I agree. There is a slight difference in that the Executive has explained that, when an instrument contains negative procedure and no procedure, in the event that it is annulled the Executive may implement the no-procedure elements of the package from the same date if it so wishes. I suspect that it is therefore easier than combining the affirmative and negative powers.

There are a lot of issues and, as we have said before, they should be part of the legacy paper for our successor committee. We obviously have to accept what is proposed, but we should keep the issue on the agenda.

We should still point it out to the lead committee.

The Deputy Convener:

I agree with both members. The helpful note from our legal advisers goes through all the points. It sums up my feeling that there is a practical reason for the Executive's decision and that there is a sensible outcome in putting together two orders so that the control element and related compensation provisions are in the same instrument. I can understand the practical advantages of that to the users of the instrument. However, from a parliamentary procedure point of view, I note that our equivalent committee in Westminster made a strong point about that, which was accepted by the United Kingdom Government.

That strengthens the argument for a single procedure, does it not?

Exactly—it adds to our general recommendations to reform the overall procedures.

Mr Maxwell:

I am sure that I am right that we operate under the same procedures as the Westminster Parliament. It is where we got our procedures from, and we have not moved on from the transitional procedures. Given that we use the same procedure, it is odd that, although the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments has taken a view and the UK Government has accepted it, the position is different here.

It is probably not what you would describe as a Scottish solution for a Scottish problem.

It does not sound like it.

The Deputy Convener:

The point has been made that we are concerned about the procedure. I agree with Stewart Maxwell that there is a trend of using it—a few sporadic examples from the past do not counter that argument. We can draw our concern to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament and include it in our legacy paper.

There is a second point on the order, which is that the Executive was asked for, and has provided, further clarification of the meaning and use of the terms "inspector" and "keeper of the animal". If members are content, we will also draw that to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament.


Education Authority Bursaries (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/149)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive to explain the terms "EEA agreement" and "EEA state"—EEA standing for European Economic Area. Members have seen the Executive's response. Are we content to draw the regulations to the attention of Parliament and the lead committee on the basis that the Executive has provided an explanation?

Members indicated agreement.


Education (Fees and Awards) (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/152)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive if it intended to correct an error. We were concerned about it because we had highlighted such an error in a previous instrument. The Executive accepted our observation and said that it would correct it in future, but did not.

The Executive has explained that the correction slip was printed, but not acted on. Do members have any comments to make?

Members:

No.

I must say that I was reassured that it was cock-up rather than conspiracy.

I take it that you are ruling that that is an acceptable parliamentary term, convener.

What, conspiracy?

Slip-up.

Are members content to draw the instrument to the attention of Parliament and the lead committee on the basis of defective drafting, which was acknowledged by the Executive?

Members indicated agreement.


Graduate Endowment (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/155)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive a number of questions on the regulations, and members have a copy of the Executive's response.

Are members content to draw the instrument to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the grounds that have been highlighted in the legal brief?

Members indicated agreement.


Education Maintenance Allowances (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/156)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive why the definition of "employed" that is given in regulation 2 differs from the definition of "employment" that is used in a number of other Scottish statutory instruments. Are members content with the Executive's response?

Members indicated agreement.

We will draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that the Executive has provided an adequate explanation.


Repayment of Student Loans (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/159)

Are members content with the Executive's response to the committee's question?

Members indicated agreement.

We will draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that further information was sought from and provided by the Executive.


Disabled Persons (Badges for Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/162)

We asked the Executive why it did not amend the definition of "disabled person" in regulation 2(1) of the principal regulations. Are members content with its explanation?

Members indicated agreement.

The Deputy Convener:

Are members content that we draw the attention of the lead committee and Parliament to the regulations on the ground of defective drafting by reason of the failure to amend the definition of "disabled person" in regulation 2(1) of the principal regulations?

Members indicated agreement.


Waste Management Licensing Amendment (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment) (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/172)

This is the 21st time that the principal regulations—the Waste Management Licensing Regulations 1994 (SI 1994/1056)—have been amended. Stewart Maxwell asked whether that is a record.

I was not being serious; I am sure that there are worse cases.

The Deputy Convener:

Our legal advisers have told us that there are worse cases.

We asked the Executive whether it has any plans to consolidate the waste management licensing regulations. It has replied that it intends to consolidate them once the policy review of the waste framework directive has been completed.

Are members content to draw SSI 2007/172 to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that an explanation has been provided by the Executive?

Members indicated agreement.


Radioactive Contaminated Land (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/179)

We asked the Executive to explain the vires for regulation 17. Are members content with the Executive's response?

Members indicated agreement.

In that case, we will draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the basis of a failure to follow proper legislative practice, as acknowledged by the Executive.


Local Governance (Scotland) Act 2004 (Remuneration) Regulations 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/183)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive to explain the purpose of the definition of "the 2004 Act" in regulation 2(1), as that definition does not appear to be used in the regulations. Are members content with the Executive's response?

Members indicated agreement.

In that case, we will draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the basis of defective drafting by reason of the inclusion of an unnecessary definition in regulation 2(1).


Teachers' Superannuation (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/189)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive whether there was an incorrect cross-reference in regulation 29. Are members content to draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground of defective drafting, although the drafting is not defective to the extent that it will affect the validity of the regulations?

Members indicated agreement.


National Health Service (General Ophthalmic Services) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/193)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive two questions. Are members content to draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that the Executive has provided an adequate explanation in relation to amending the reference to "paragraph 11" in schedule 1 and on the ground of the defective drafting of regulation 2(12)(a)—which the Executive has acknowledged—although that drafting is not defective to the extent that it will affect the validity of the regulations?

Members indicated agreement.


Charities References in Documents (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/203)

Are members content to draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that the Executive has provided an adequate justification of the vires for regulation 3?

Mr Maxwell:

The answer is that we probably are, although it still seems slightly odd that the regulations should use the word "wholly" when the phrase "wholly or mainly" could be used. Arguments that were made in our original debate on the regulations are still valid.

However, the Executive has made its position clear. We should simply accept that position and draw the matter to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament.

Indeed. There was confusion about the use of the word "wholly" and the phrase "wholly or mainly", but the Executive has presented an argument, and it must justify that argument.


Charities Reorganisation (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/204)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive to explain whether it is intended that the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator's obligation in regulation 6(3) to send a copy of its decision to

"any person that has sent it a notice of objection"

extends to those objectors who have sent such a notice that arrives at OSCR after the latest date for receipt of objections. Members have seen a copy of the Executive's response.

Are members content to draw the regulations to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground that the meaning of regulation 6(3) could be clearer?

Members indicated agreement.

The Executive said that it is up to OSCR whether to send a copy of a decision to people who submitted late objections.


Council Tax (Exempt Dwellings) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2007 (SSI 2007/215)

The Deputy Convener:

We asked the Executive three questions on the order. The Executive has responded.

Are members content to draw the order to the attention of the lead committee and Parliament on the ground of failure to follow legislative practice, although that failure is not such that it affects the validity of the order; in relation to the vires for inserting a new paragraph 25 in schedule 1 to the Council Tax (Exempt Dwellings) (Scotland) Order 1997 (SI 1997/728) and in relation to the citing of an enabling power in the Local Government Finance Act 1992; and on the ground that the meaning of the newly inserted paragraph 25(3) could be clearer?

Members indicated agreement.