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Chamber and committees

Subordinate Legislation Committee, 20 Jan 2004

Meeting date: Tuesday, January 20, 2004


Contents


Delegated Powers Scrutiny


Local Governance (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

The Convener:

Item 1 is delegated powers scrutiny. Members will remember the question that we raised with the Scottish Executive about the Local Governance (Scotland) Bill. We have received a reply from the Executive, and we also have before us some comments from our legal advisers.

Mr Stewart Maxwell (West of Scotland) (SNP):

You were right to use the word "reply", convener, as that describes what we have received: we have received a response, but not an answer to our question. Frankly, I do not accept the response that we have received, which in no way explains the point that we tried to raise with the Executive. The Executive says:

"the provisions of each Bill are carefully drafted to meet the individual legal and policy needs in any given circumstances."

Well, what were

"the individual legal and policy needs"

in these particular circumstances? Effectively, that was our question. We do not understand why there is a difference between the relevant provision in the Local Governance (Scotland) Bill and one that we dealt with previously in the Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. We asked why there is a difference, but we have not got any kind of answer. We should raise the matter with the Executive again, and ask it to explain why there is such a difference, rather than just telling us that there is one.

Mike Pringle (Edinburgh South) (LD):

I entirely agree with that. When I read its response, I wondered whether the Executive had actually read the questions that we sent it or whether it had read some other question and responded to that. The reply certainly was not an answer. I entirely agree with what Stewart Maxwell says: I think that we should go back to the Executive.

Are there any contrary views?

Murray Tosh:

Absolutely not. I was not at the legal briefing earlier, but my reaction is the same as that of my colleagues who have spoken already. I wondered whether the reply was an exercise in checking whether committees read such responses, in which case the Executive should note that we have done so and that we would now like the answer.

Absolutely.

Just to join in this morning's general having-a-kick routine, I am fascinated by the phrase,

"individual legal and policy needs in any given circumstances."

It is a bit much for me to say this, but lawyerspeak that is.

Ah, so we know that it was a lawyer who drafted the response.

It might not have been, but it strikes me that way. We should ask the Executive now to tell us specifically what

"the individual legal and policy needs"

were in those particular circumstances.

The Convener:

We should ask why the relevant provisions of the Local Governance (Scotland) Bill are different from those in the Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. I ask the clerk, Alasdair Rankin, if he could draft a letter for us along those lines. That would be excellent.