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Last week, I saw him shaking his head when I mentioned exactly that figure. What I heard Gordon Brown say was that programmes that are not working will have to be cut.
As Jamie Hepburn said, that is a bizarre notion when we consider the wording of some of the recommendations. I also slightly question Gavin Brown’s assertion that Kenneth Gibson is “statesmanlike”.
I see the sceptical look on Gavin Brown’s face but, given that we are accused of being in Stalinist control of everything in Scotland, I am always slightly amused when we are attacked for not being in Stalinist control enough.
The third question is, that motion S4M-09447, in the name of Keith Brown, on young and novice drivers and graduated driver licensing, as amended, be agreed to.
We study a lot of indicators in our living lab and I agree that there is a lot of work to do to monitor that, but I absolutely acknowledge it. Ms Brown, we know that farmers and those in rural communities grow food.
Interruption. That is just not the case. Keith Brown, I can give you the time back. I understand the point that the cut of £160 million will have an effect next year.