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In the meantime, we need to consider how we ensure that those folks are in the room. I do that to the best of my ability but there are always ways to do it better and I am happy to take those on board.
Our witnesses from Audit Scotland, who are in the committee room, are Antony Clark, executive director, performance audit and best value, and Anne Cairns, manager, performance audit and best value.
We want to do that co-productively with local authorities to make sure that the structure that we put in place reflects what they believe is the best approach, alongside what we are trying to achieve with transport planning.
However, fundamental to this approach are learning and improvement, and the best learning and improvement happen at local level, where you can look at the issue and make changes yourself.
There are some people who require questions to be answered, and we are trying our best to get to them, whether they are young people or, for example, Polish people, who are quite vaccine sceptical.