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If they were to disappear overnight, our hospitals, restaurants, building sites, shops, service industries, public transport network and factories would grind to a halt.
That review is circulating among prison management; it considers possibilities such as whether new house blocks should be built, or even a prison on a new site. A few moments ago, you said that the closure of one or two isolated or less cost-effective prisons could be considered.
I am grateful to Ms Whitefield for reminding me of Mr Hawkins's exact words; now we do not have to investigate the previous Official Report because the evidence will be in today's Official Report as well.
I have had meetings with Charles Clarke and telephone calls with Charles Clarke and Alan Johnson, as and when issues develop. The relationships among officials are certainly better than before.
Secondly, I wonder whether the clerks can write to COSLA for its official view of the situation. It is important that we have that in black and white early on.