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Will the member give way? No.We are comparing today's proposals not with the situation in 1997, but with the draconian measures that Labour has imposed since it came to power in 1997.
The committee report acknowledges the geographical focus and accountability that the five programme management executives were perceived to have. It depends on which comparator we use. My personal comparator is the former Strathclyde Regional Council, which was second to none in delivering such programmes.
We are beaten only by England, Wales and Portugal. That compares with Northern Ireland, where there are 60 prisoners per 100,000, and Finland, where there are 52 prisoners per 100,000.
Nicol Stephen, the Deputy Minister for Education, Europe and External Affairs, had a helpful and productive meeting with schools' representatives last week. He is now due to visit the schools to discuss their specific needs in more detail.