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However, very quickly, at a high level in our business plan, we have an objective of getting to a net positive position on income and cost by, I think, 2025-26. Does that sound right, Willie? Yes.
The aspiration is to develop what we always said we wanted, which is a national learning culture in which every local authority is doing what it can to get to the best local practice, the best data and the best engagement with those who have lived experience.