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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Frances, do you have anything to add to that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning to the panel members, and thank you all for coming along. The devil is always in the detail, and my colleagues will look at the definitions of wellbeing and such things. However, I will focus on how you would define a public body. What is an appropriate term for a public body? That is clearly one of the key definitions.

Maybe we will start with Adam Milne and work along the line. How would you define a public body? Should it be defined absolutely in the bill, or should that be done by regulations? If the bill goes forward, how would you future-proof the definition for future generations?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I would find it deeply worrying if we did ask the same question, convener.

My question is aimed at Frances Guy and Lloyd Austin. We have to be realistic here, because the Parliament voted a few weeks ago not to have any more commissioners in this parliamentary session. I was the only one out of 129 who voted against that; indeed, even the member who has been involved with the bill voted for it.

My direct question to you is this: can the bill work if we do not have a commissioner? If the Parliament decides to go ahead with the rest of the bill but takes out the provisions on a new commissioner, can the bill still work? Is there any point in having it?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you. As the convener said, witnesses from the Scottish Youth Parliament do not have to answer the questions, but do you have a view on the definitions?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Absolutely.

09:40 Meeting suspended.  

09:45 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I go back to the duty in the bill to

“have due regard for the need to promote wellbeing and sustainable development.”

Should the duty be about delivering wellbeing or its promotion? Perhaps Lloyd Austin can start on that, as he was the last witness to answer the previous question. Should the duty be about promotion or delivery, or both? Can those be mixed together?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Do Skye Allan or Kristers Lukins want to add anything?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

That is absolutely fine.

My final question for the moment is directed to Lloyd Austin. Lloyd, in your submission, you refer to the

“opportunity to repeal or amend outdated duties that can contribute to public bodies acting in a manner that undermines sustainable development and/or wellbeing”.

Will you expand on what you mean by that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jeremy Balfour

This is probably not a fair question, so please feel free to ignore it. I am interested in what you have said. Do you know whether there are previous examples of where a bill has gone back to amend a lot of different acts? You may not know that—we can go away and look it up ourselves—but what you describe seems like quite a novel approach.