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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 February 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Just a second.

On the other issue that you raise, you are saying that someone who wants to work for a certain hospice or organisation that does not carry out assisted suicide—assisted dying—must accept that. My point is that that is already the position in law in other areas. An organisation will have certain beliefs, philosophies and ideas. Someone does not necessarily have to sign up to those intellectually, but they do have to sign up in practical terms.

10:30  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

That is helpful, thank you. I wonder whether it would be helpful to get an update from the Scottish Government on its position, particularly in relation to some of the amendments that we are considering.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Convener, could I seek clarification on when the committee expects to stop today, so that I can let others know for meetings?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you, convener. Before I start, I will make a point of order about the Scottish Government’s non-presence at this meeting. I understand that the Scottish Government is neutral on the bill, but we have heard a number of comments from Liam McArthur this morning about what the Scottish Government is and is not doing with the UK Government. Has the Scottish Government chosen not to be here, or has it not been asked to come? It would have been helpful to have an update from the Scottish Government on the amendments that we are considering. Was it the Government’s choice not to come, or was it deemed not to be appropriate?

10:15  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

On the rare occasions that the drugs did not work when they were administered to a person, if there was no advance care directive in place, what would the doctor or the nurse, or the hospice, do if they did not know what the patient’s wishes were? Surely these amendments would give the patient greater protection in that respect.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I absolutely accept your first point. When I go to Marie Curie or St Columba’s Hospice Care in Edinburgh I am always surprised by how joyful those places are—I often come away feeling much more hopeful than I felt before I went in. I also accept that people go for day treatment, and for many weeks.

I was really pointing to in-patients. The experiences that have been shared with me at Marie Curie and St Columba’s Hospice Care—the two hospices that are in my region—are that people do not go there for long periods as in-patients. I accept that people go there as out-patients, and those services could be offered by other institutions that did not want to opt in.

I will stop there, convener.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Will the member take an intervention on that point?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I do not know whether the member is worried by this, but, for example, in British Columbia, Delta Hospice Society has now had its funding completely removed because it is not willing to offer assisted suicide. Does he recognise that experience in other jurisdictions shows that there is a real threat to charities and people who provide good services that they could lose their funding? Does he recognise that they need to be protected in some way?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Does the member have concerns about future proofing the bill, if it is passed? As funding for hospices is already under pressure, future Governments and Parliaments might look at the act and fund only hospices that also provide such assistance, unless they have an absolute opt-out.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I do not think that that is the key issue. A person can believe lots of things, but it is about what they do in practice. Amendment 193 and those that were lodged by Daniel Johnson and Stuart McMillan give people clarity. We are not saying that somebody cannot believe that assisted suicide is right; all that we are saying is that they cannot practise it in particular institutions. We are not in any way telling people what they can or cannot believe; we are saying that, if they work for a certain care home, they will not be able to carry out the procedure in that home.

The advantage of that is that an older person going to a care home or someone going to a hospice would know exactly what services the institution is going to provide, and they could make the appropriate choice. If I think that, at some point, I might have a terminal illness, I might look for a particular care home that allows me to make that choice. The same is true for other institutions.