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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

You will come back to the Parliament in two or three weeks’ time with your budget. I think that last week’s United Kingdom budget will have resulted in some Barnett consequentials. I appreciate that it is early days yet—less than a week—but is there any mitigation from those Barnett consequentials that means that the cut or reduction, whichever word you want to use, might not have to take place?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you. I will be interested in seeing what comes next week.

Last week, many of our witnesses said that there was no openness and transparency in the setting of last year’s budget. Engagement was lacking, and we did not get the information that we required. Do you agree that additional information will be helpful when engaging in the budget process as we look forward to next year?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

That is helpful, and I agree with your analysis of the situation. As we come out of Covid, the issue is that the number of disabled people who are unemployed has gone up compared with the pre-Covid figure, and that is true across many other parts of the world, so it is not just a Scottish issue. However, the percentage of disabled people who are unemployed is now much higher in Scotland than it is, for example, in England. My concern is that those who are particularly disabled and want to get back into employment will not get those services. Is it your analysis that the figure is likely to grow higher and that more disabled people will be unemployed in the next six to nine months because they are not getting the holistic support that they need to get into employment?

08:15  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I have just couple of questions, Deputy First Minister. How did you make the decision to cut that budget, and what effect will it have on encouraging people to use public transport rather than their cars?

08:30  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I will pick up on the new youth concessionary travel scheme. I say this as somebody who is a non-driver and who therefore uses the bus a lot: it amazes me how many children in Edinburgh are still not using the scheme. They are putting their fare in and paying for the bus.

One reason for that is that the scheme is quite complicated to apply for; I say that as somebody who tried to get it three times for my children. There is variation across Scotland in how to apply and how easy it is to apply. I wonder, not necessarily for this project, but looking forward, whether the Scottish Government could make applying for the scheme easier. The issue concerns me, particularly as people who struggle to get access to the internet or do not have a passport are not necessarily picking up on the scheme. They may be the people who need the scheme more than those who have already applied for it.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I want to get a bit more detail on how the £82 million was going to be used in the first place. I am not sure that I could find that information within anything that has come to us. What was it going to be used for?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

If I can push on that a wee bit, Deputy First Minister, I am not sure that I understand yet what that £82 million was going to be used for. I appreciate that the money goes into a big pot, and you described how that pot is spent. However, it is hard for the committee and the Parliament to know the intended purpose if we do not know how the £82 million was going to be spent. For example, was it for social security or education? Presumably, you had allocated £82 million to a particular Government department or budget. Where is that money coming from?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I will push on that a wee bit. I think that what you suggest is all very sensible but it is only the best medium-term solution. My question is—given that I do not think that using a boat is a solution for anything except for an extremely short period of time—do you think that there is a short-term answer to the problem?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you for making the time to speak to us this morning. To follow on from Pam Duncan-Glancy’s questions, what will be the practical effects with regard to the employability budget reduction? You said that there is an increase in the budget and that the changes will not affect services that are being provided. I am trying to work out what the extra £56 million was planned to do, if its absence is not going to affect direct services.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning, gentlemen. I will go back to Pam Duncan-Glancy’s previous questions about the legislation that will be introduced next week. I appreciate that we do not yet know the details of the legislation—we will see it, I think, an hour before the committee sits. Obviously, there might be more issues in Edinburgh and Lothian, but I have a number of constituents who have buy-to-let properties, so their mortgages are being paid by the rent payments that they receive. With mortgage payments possibly now going up because of inflation and interest rates, are you concerned that those people will have to withdraw their properties from the market? One of the other unforeseen circumstances could be that there is less housing available for rent, because people cannot meet their mortgage payments.