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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Tom Arthur

It will be relatively soon. I think that we are in the realm of weeks rather than months.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Tom Arthur

I note that, for any home mover who is not subject to the ADS, the nil threshold goes to £145,000. For a first-time buyer, it is up to £175,000. That is where the benefit is conferred.

For clarity, I point out that the rate of the ADS is now 6 per cent. Because of the provisional affirmative procedure, it was effective at 6 per cent from 16 December.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Tom Arthur

I add that the ADS does not apply to properties below £40,000. I also advise that there is an excellent suite of LBTT calculators on the Revenue Scotland website.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

Good morning, convener and committee members. Thank you for taking the time to consider these draft regulations.

It is very important for us—and for portfolios across the Government—to consider policies in the context of the current extreme cost of living pressures. We want to act quickly where we can make a difference. There are four areas of particular focus in the regulations.

The first area is debt arrangement scheme payment breaks. Through the debt arrangement scheme, in the region of 16,000 individuals have taken control of their debt and maintain a debt payment plan. For at least some of those people, the increases in the cost of living will pose a threat to the sustainability of those plans. We want to ensure that the arrangements for securing a payment break are sufficiently flexible, bearing in mind the current volatility in living costs. The provisions in the regulations would allow for a break of up to six months where those wider pressures on household income apply. I consider that to be an important change that will help those payment programmes to succeed.

The next two issues relate to access to bankruptcy. Stakeholders working with us on a policy review have recommended the removal of the minimum debt level for minimal asset process bankruptcy, which is currently set at £1,500. The recent report of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, following its inquiry into low income and debt, also made that recommendation. I understand the concern that the current threshold might prevent individuals from accessing debt relief that they desperately need. The regulations remove that minimum debt level.

We have made significant progress in reducing or removing the fees that are associated with self-nominated bankruptcy. The Social Justice and Social Security Committee has recommended further tweaking of the fee waiver criteria to encompass all the people who have been assessed as being unable to pay a contribution through the common financial tool. I am happy to take that forward, which will provide further benefit to the most financially vulnerable.

There is a further change that I consider necessary, which is linked to the entirely appropriate actions that have been taken on fee reduction. Wider pressures on the public purse mean that we need to look at all the options in the current system that can help it to recover costs and remove burdens on public finance. The regulations would increase the deposit that creditors must provide when the Accountant in Bankruptcy is nominated as trustee following court bankruptcy.

The need for that is twofold. First, there is the reduction in fee income, which I highlighted. Secondly, there is the fact that the administration of court petition bankruptcy when no funds can be collected comes at the significant cost to the public purse of almost £2,000 per case, on average. The initial deposit that is paid by creditors is repaid when a bankruptcy generates funds. When no funds are produced, it seems reasonable that the creditor bringing the action should bear more of the cost.

I will conclude there. I hope that the committee will agree to a motion to recommend approval of the regulations, and that it agrees that they are a sensible measure at this time.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

The committee will be aware more broadly of statutory debt solutions such as providing individuals with the debt advice and information pack, but I will ask Alex Reid to come in on Mr Beattie’s specific points.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

I refer the convener to the detail that is provided in the business and regulatory impact assessment, but, broadly, in the past three years that the AIB has been the trustee, around 56 per cent of bankruptcies have resulted in no fees being recovered to cover administration costs. The measures that we are taking are proportionate. I note that the increase from £300 to £750 stands in contrast to the situation in England and Wales, where the fee has moved from £990 to £1,500.

That is a proportionate response and, as set out in the BRIA, it will have an impact. It will not lead to full cost recovery, but it will make a significant contribution, which we would all recognise is important given the challenging public finance landscape that we face.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

I will ask Alex Reid to come in shortly. The majority of organisations taking forward creditor petitions for bankruptcy are local authorities, and we have engaged with them on that. The MAP threshold, as I referred to in my opening statement, came out of the working group and was a very strong recommendation, particularly from the money advice sector.

It will not be a huge number of people who take advantage of the removal of the £1,500 threshold, but, for some people, it will be very significant. That was recognised in the deliberations of the review group and certainly in the discussions at the meetings that I convened. I ask Alex to come in if he wants to add anything.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

As indicated, that came out of the engagement with stakeholders via the standing group. As Alex Reid has said, we are not anticipating that it would affect a huge number of people, because we are talking about debts of less than £1,500. However, the reality is that, for some people, debts of that level are unsustainable. As such, although the proposed changes will affect a small number of individuals, they will have a significant impact on those people.

More broadly, I will address the point about how the measure interacts with the wider suite of debt solutions that we have in Scotland. DAS is long-standing: it is unique to Scotland and an important part of the landscape. The range of solutions reflects the fact that we have measures available to suit individuals who are in a variety of circumstances. By its very nature, MAP is for the most vulnerable people who have unsustainable debt.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

As members will be aware, there are three parts to the review that we are undertaking on our statutory debt solutions. Part 1 was completed, and amendments were brought forward in 2021 in response to the pandemic. Some of what is emerging through the legislative commitment in the programme for government will reflect what has happened in part 2, but there is also a third part, which is a far more wide-ranging review that will we undertake in due course. I am happy to keep the committee abreast of developments on that and will be keen for members’ views and input.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Tom Arthur

I am happy to give that undertaking, and I assure the committee that its work has been very much valued and appreciated by the working group that is undertaking the stage 2 review.