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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

I have two points to make on that. The first, which goes back to my previous answer and my introductory remarks, is about the timelines and the signalling of our intent. Secondly, on the consultation, a consultation that is just with local government will typically be around two weeks. My officials will correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the consultation in this case was four weeks, so it was more than the normal time.

We have consulted in a way that is consistent with how we normally engage with local government. More generally, the context in which the consultation was undertaken was that there had been extended engagement over a period in which we had indicated our concerns.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

We will continue to engage constructively with local government on those matters but, as I touched on earlier, we in the Government have an obligation in the broader stewardship of the public finances and in assuring that there is an appropriate regulatory environment.

Elanor Davies may be able to provide more detail on the other elements that were consulted on and the work that is on-going.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

As I said, if local authorities want to work with the Government on particular points in addressing any of their potential concerns, or other issues that could arise, we want that to happen.

I touched on the areas that we consulted on that we are not taking forward. We have taken a constructive approach to that with the establishment of a joint working group and the deferring of any further changes to 2027 at the earliest. That demonstrates the Government’s balanced and proportionate approach. It is very much in the spirit of constructive partnership.

For the reasons that we have set out, we believe that we have to take forward these regulations at this time, given the significant risks that could ensue if we did not do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

If local authorities would welcome clarification on specific areas of, or any matter in, the broader regulatory environment, we would want to engage on that constructively. I ask Elanor Davies whether she has a response to any specific points in that area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

I do not want to pre-empt the outcome of the discussions. Clearly, they cover a range of portfolio and ministerial interests.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

In general terms, I would say that you have touched on a very important point. With any programme of public service reform, any spend-to-save approach or any investment, what the constraining of budgets will mean for any Government—and it is one of the effects that we are still reeling from after the austerity that we have had at various points over the past 14 years—is that it will have to focus day to day on key, mission-critical tasks. Often the challenge that we have with reform is that we need to identify parallel funding to support change and transformation. That is just a general point, but all Governments have to contend with such things.

What we are seeing feeding through to next year’s budget, particularly around capital, are the consequences of decisions taken by the UK Government, which predominantly impact the discretionary fund that we have available. We are trying to manage that impact in a way that is consistent with the principles and values that the Government has articulated, in recognition of the key and central role that the NHS plays, not just in delivering public services, but as a key economic actor within the wider Scottish economy, too, and in recognition, too, of the key expectations that Parliament and indeed the public have that it be resourced adequately. That, again, has been reflected in the decisions that we have taken.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

I can appreciate that there will be a range of views but, along with seeking to mitigate the risk of waste tourism, we have always wanted to provide a degree of certainty and stability for the sector as well. Furthermore, we have a clear target towards the end of 2025 and our approach on tax policy is consistent with that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

I clarify that the money is capital and has not been allocated through the spring budget revision that you refer to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

As I say, the money would be classified as capital expenditure to support the existing wide-ranging variety of work within the health portfolio. I cannot provide you with a line-by-line list of all of the various expenditure that is classed as capital expenditure within the health service.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Tom Arthur

Clearly, as I touched on earlier, we will have an exceptionally challenging set of circumstances around capital over the medium term, which the committee appreciates. Those circumstances form the context in which decisions on future capital projects—not just in the health service, but more widely—are considered.

The budget, of course, relates to the current financial year. This relates to ongoing activity that is part of the capital expenditure of the health service. I can appreciate the question about perception about money being allocated, but it is important to make the distinction between what is happening within this financial year—supporting ongoing NHS capital expenditure that covers a range of areas, which, I am sure, the committee appreciates—and what we are looking at from 2024-25 going forward, in the context of the capital constraints under which we will be operating.