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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I appreciate that it is not your area, but you will be aware that in 2012, a new system was brought in that was meant to cost £102 million but ended up costing £178 million, as John Mason said. There were huge cost overruns, and we saw massive disruption to the sector with costs on top of that. My fear is that we do not seem to have clarity on the potential cost of a new system and what we are actually looking to deliver.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

But if a completely new system was required, the figure of £60 million in table 5 would not cover that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

But the objectives are not the plan.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

As a committee that has to look at the cost implications, we are looking at aims and objectives rather than actual plans.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I take that on board, but the actual agriculture rural support plan will arrive five years later than when the UK Government delivered it. It is important for knowing what the costs are.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have a final point on this area. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has asked that you consider publishing a rural support plan before stage 3.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Right, but you can appreciate why I asked the question. We are being asked to make a decision on the bill’s financial memorandum and there is a lot of uncertainty about how the money, which we all appreciate is limited, is going to be used.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That would be very helpful. The NHS boards that I speak to in my region have staff shortages, and access to housing is a big part of that. My question is about how the issue of an exemption would fit in with encouraging or supporting them.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The cost of carer breaks will be paid to councils by the Scottish Government. Will that be guaranteed every year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

How would that take other factors into account? For example, I imagine that you hope that the bill will increase awareness of carers, their responsibilities and support for them. How does it take into account the possibility of more people coming forward as unpaid carers and saying that they need and should be entitled to the payment?