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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

When do you hope that the money will be returned to the portfolio?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Right. Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

What about the economic benefits?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

For many in the drinks and hospitality sectors, the experience of the DRS has just been talk of, “We will work with these key sectors,” and they would argue that that did not happen enough. Do you recognise that there might be some concern that additional costs will be placed on those sectors, which are already recovering from, first, the pandemic and, secondly, the fallout from the DRS and the investment that they had to make for that? Do you recognise that there will be concerns that this is just another open book on costs that they might have to meet? What confidence can you give them that this will really be of benefit to them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You cannot tell them how much they will have to pay. As I said, many have already had to pay into and invest in the DRS. Some sectors will have to pay, but you are not able to tell them what they will have to pay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I understand that, but, obviously, it had a role in the DRS and public money was invested in that. You are not aware of any projected role for the SNIB in this.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

How closely is that money itself—the original source of funding, I suppose—linked to the uplift from the Bew review?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning to the minister and her colleagues. The phrase

“as far as I am aware”

is not exactly a great endorsement of the powers that you believe that you may or may not have. With vapes, I hope that you would be a little bit surer than

“as far as I am aware”.

Also, in relation to the points that Daniel Johnson raised and your response to them, perhaps, if some of that detail had been done before on DRS, we may not have seen the complete boorach that it ended up being. Have lessons not been learned from that? Surely some of that engagement that was done with stakeholders, including businesses, would be of benefit.

What assessment has been done of the economic benefits of the circularity bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Given that you have suggested big-picture economic benefits rather than a financial figure, why is there not more detail on the economic cost to businesses, particularly small businesses, in the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You are able to say, “This will have great and wider economic benefit in recycling and wastage,” but you cannot be more specific about the potential cost to businesses.