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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 December 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Scotland’s International Strategy (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning. Before I start my own questioning, I want to go back to Patrick Harvie’s first question about your role and relationship with Government. Your role as officers is to promote the Scottish Government’s priorities and objectives and, obviously, Scotland’s interests abroad, but thinking back to the previous evidence session, I wonder whether you have had any guidance from the Government on which of its priorities should be promoted to a domestic audience or to us today.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You met the board as a group; why did you think that that was important?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. You talked about the scrutiny of Creative Scotland by the board, but there is nothing in the inquiry report on the scrutiny of the board by the Government—obviously, that is because you were not tasked with looking into that. Do you think that that should have been included? We have seen, within other parts of the cultural sector, issues in the relationship between the Government and the boards of bodies. Do you think that such scrutiny should or could have been included?

08:45  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay, I will maybe come back to that later. I am conscious of time, convener.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I want to follow up some of those questions. I thought that it was unfair of Neil Bibby to ask the panel about the SNP’s secret plan. We have here Keith Brown, the deputy leader of the SNP. I am sure that he knows it—he can tell us at some point.

Nicola McEwen, I will come to you first, and others can come in if they want to. Neil Bibby talked about the failure to deliver. It is now 11 years since the referendum and this inquiry has been brought forward only in the last few months of this parliamentary session. We have talked about the politics of independence referendums. Do you think that, over the past few years, the SNP has been more interested in talking about independence than in delivering it and that that has been an increasing concern for some in the nationalist movement?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I think that we have established that the legal right to call an independence referendum is with the UK Government. This is all about politics, political debate and political will. If you have an essentially self-appointed—although understandably so—main party looking to deliver independence but not being fully committed to delivering what it has been talking about, that obviously impacts on the political debate.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have one other brief question. We started off this conversation by talking about the settled will, we then talked about the need for broad agreement, and we then went on to talk about the idea of a stable majority. We have covered a whole load of different ideas of what would perhaps constitute public support for independence or for another referendum. One of the difficulties is that, although independence can be polled on—and there are arguments at the moment about whether it is fairly close between yes and no, or between leave and remain, depending on how you frame the question—it is not a priority for the Scottish people. In polls about the top issues, we see that it is well down the list, at number 7, 8 or 9.

In identifying support for independence, is it important to consider not only how somebody would vote in a referendum, should there be one, but also where it is in the people’s priorities? I ask for responses from Professor Renwick, first, then Professor Blick and then the panel members in the room.

10:00  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. I have some other brief questions for Dr Casanas Adam. You talked about Scotland having the right or the need to trigger a referendum—I am trying to remember exactly the words; I wrote them down somewhere, but I am not sure that I can find them in my scribbled notes. I think you said that it was right that there is an opportunity to trigger a referendum.

I come from Orkney. I do not know how much you know about the constitutional position of Orkney, but we were not always part of Scotland. We were part of Norway and we were—depending on how you present it—either annexed or given away by Norway. We were also the most strongly unionist part of Scotland. We have heard talk about Orkney having a different position—something more akin to an overseas territory—and Shetland is looking at more autonomy, too. Do you think that those parts of Scotland that value being part of the UK more than others or might seek another constitutional future and which have a distinct heritage should have a right to self-determination?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You have talked about the secret plan. I am sure that Keith Brown knows what it is.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

From a purely moral perspective, is the right of, say, Orkney and Shetland, to self-determination any weaker or stronger than that of Scotland? Scotland is a very diverse country; the regions have very different backgrounds—Gaelic, Viking or Norse, et cetera. Do you think that the moral argument is any stronger or weaker for Orkney and Shetland?