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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It is quite an important issue, though.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I want to briefly cover two other areas, the first of which is EU alignment. The new EU plan—which, as you have said, will last seven years—is going to see its budgets cut; indeed, there are protests happening across Europe about that. Obviously, it is an opportunity to look for a new plan for Scotland. I take it that our own EU alignment is not going to go as far as that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I just want to get a bit of an idea about some other areas. Within the current system and the framework bill, what will happen to any underspend on a yearly basis? Will it have to remain within the sector, or can it go in and out of the budget, as it does now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The fire service is a national body but NHS boards are local. Are you aware of whether NHS boards would be exempt at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I asked you why the process did not start earlier. Why did it not start earlier? We are potentially five years behind other parts of the United Kingdom on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Is tier 2 the one tier that will possibly have the most variable costs associated with it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have a quick point of clarification along the same lines as the convener’s point about Police Scotland, which has talked about the lack of exemption. As you will be aware, access to housing, particularly in parts of my region of the Highlands and Islands, is very difficult, as there is a shortage of housing. There have been a lot of suggestions that public bodies should or could provide houses to ensure that they can get the staff that they need, particularly with regard to jobs around the national health service. Would NHS boards be entitled to the exemptions that Police Scotland is not entitled to or would NHS housing also not be exempt?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I appreciate that, but we are looking at the finances. It might not be necessary to provide a new system, but if a new system were required, there would be additional costs on top. Would you say that that is the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I appreciate that it is not your area, but you will be aware that in 2012, a new system was brought in that was meant to cost £102 million but ended up costing £178 million, as John Mason said. There were huge cost overruns, and we saw massive disruption to the sector with costs on top of that. My fear is that we do not seem to have clarity on the potential cost of a new system and what we are actually looking to deliver.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

But if a completely new system was required, the figure of £60 million in table 5 would not cover that.