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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Did you request to attend a board meeting?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. You have talked about financial resources. There is a new chief operating officer, and I am not aware—you may or may not be aware—whether that position has been budgeted for. I asked Sir Mark Jones whether there would likely be redundancies, and he was not able to answer—understandably, given his role—but I think that he expects that people will be moving on. Do you expect that people will be leaving HES? Could some of the resources that you talked about be used to make redundancy payments or pay people off? If so, would you have to sign off that additional budget?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Even if there had not been any issues within the organisation, I think that the public who are watching this meeting will ask why the cabinet secretary with responsibility for the organisation did not attend any board meetings and did not have that relationship. I think that they will be particularly surprised, shocked or appalled that, even when you were aware—you have said that you were aware—that there were serious issues with the organisation, you still did not attend board meetings. Do you understand why the public might be concerned about that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So, you were aware that there were issues, but you wanted to get a better idea of what the issues were.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

My last question is slightly different.

You answered some questions from Dr Allan on closures. You will appreciate that all that is happening is a great distraction from the work of the organisation. This is a slightly smaller example—and I will get the pronunciation wrong—but I have had raised with me the case of the Knocknagael stone, a Pictish carving that is more than 1,000 years old that it is alleged is not being looked after properly. A colleague of mine has written to Highland Council about it; the stone is under its care although it is your responsibility. No action has been taken in months.

Is there a concern that some of the bread-and-butter, day-to-day things—I know that these are not your responsibility—that HES is there to do, which are to protect our heritage, are not being done because there is so much going on in other parts of the organisation? Is the organisation fit for purpose in doing that primary job of protecting Scotland’s heritage?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thanks, Ian. I will leave it there.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You talk about younger people. Last night, there may well have been people reading notes for this morning’s committee and watching games at the same time—it is not just young people who get distracted by such things.

I want to go on to what the alternatives are and what the impacts will be. There was one game last night on Sky and there were a lot of games on the club channels, such as Killie TV, Celtic TV and the like. Do you see an opportunity further down the line for the clubs? Do you get a share of that revenue if the game is shown on a club television channel?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It was a great frustration when we had the Olympics and even the Commonwealth Games. I always felt that we did not build on that legacy. I have been involved in sports clubs and even their national bodies—this is not necessarily football but other sports—do not take advantage of the huge coverage and success of those events and build on it.

On your point about how you take things forward and build on events, are you looking at other potential revenue streams? Are there other ways that you could, if not plug the gap, at least do things? I am sure that you are looking at them anyway because you are always looking, but what other areas are you are investigating? I appreciate that there is a limit on what you are able to do around the broadcast side if UEFA does the contracts and given the fact that the league is a different organisation.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I would be very impressed if you were aware of it. The concern is that there is so much going on that perhaps attention may not be on some of the day-to-day operations.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I have just a few more questions. I would like to go back to the chief executive. Sir Mark, or perhaps Andrew Davis, are you aware of any actions that have had to be taken to accommodate Katerina Brown coming back, albeit just to sign off or work on the accounts?