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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Of course.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

We have already started to overrun, so I will ask Tony Lankester to come in.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thank you for that. You mentioned music teachers in schools. How do decisions that are being made elsewhere impact on your ability to meet those objectives and targets?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thank you. One issue that comes up repeatedly across Government and those organisations that are supported by Government is the need for multiyear funding and the consistency of funding. With regard to mainstreaming culture funding and cross-portfolio working, how might the current funding approach impact some of the organisations that you work with, given that lack of consistency and the concerns about the ability to make longer-term decisions?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Before I bring in colleagues, I have a question about alternative funding models. The committee has previously recommended that alternative funding models to support the culture and heritage sector, such as a percentage for the arts scheme, should be explored. Can you tell us a little about what those alternative models might look like? Historic Environment Scotland has adopted a new funding model, in which it has traded an annual reduction in Government grant in aid for the ability to retain surplus commercial income.

I will start with Tony Lankester. Can you give any examples of where such models are working?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Just before I bring in Patrick Harvie, I have a couple of quick supplementaries—one from me and one from Alasdair Allan.

Alistair Mackie, what size of endowment do you foresee or envisage? What is achievable?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Over what period?

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning, and welcome to the 22nd meeting in 2025 of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. We have received apologies from Clare Adamson and Keith Brown. Alasdair Allan is joining us as a substitute.

Our first agenda item is to begin taking evidence as part of our pre-budget scrutiny of the 2026-27 Scottish budget. We are joined in the room by Alistair Mackie, chief executive of the Royal Scottish National Orchestra; Anne Lyden, director general of the National Galleries of Scotland; Alison Turnbull, director, external relations and partnerships, Historic Environment Scotland; and Tony Lankester, chief executive, Edinburgh Festival Fringe Society. Welcome to you all.

I will begin by asking a couple of questions before I bring in other members. As you will be aware, the committee is taking a consultative, communicative approach to its budget scrutiny during this session of Parliament. Our previous pre-budget reports have recommended that progress should be made towards mainstreaming culture across portfolios and developing cross-portfolio funding for culture. What progress has made towards that across the Scottish Government?

I will come to Alison Turnbull first and then we will work our way across the panel.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I am not sure about the situation down south, but have there been examples in which borrowing has been overstretched? Have on-going problems been caused by bodies in the sector overborrowing?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thank you. Colleagues will probably press you a little further on that.