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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

When did it say that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

When was that? I am trying to get an idea of the timeline and of how long it has taken to get to this position.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Will you remind me when that was?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will not repeat all the points that have been made regarding framework bills, but I certainly support colleagues on those.

I want to ask about the timelines. You suggested that Police Scotland was not aware of the full financial implications of the bill until the bill was presented. You suggested that, despite working closely with Police Scotland, its official position did not change until the evidence was presented to us, as far as you can see. In that interim period—since June last year, when the bill was introduced—what concerns has Police Scotland raised with you about the costs, and what figures did it put on any potential increase to costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So, in September 2023, Police Scotland raised concerns over the costs. Did it give you a figure at that point, or did you go back to Police Scotland and ask it to revise the costs and provide you with updated parameters, in effect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Did you ask Police Scotland for updated costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

While that has been happening, you have been progressing with your work on the bill. What concerns does that raise with you? Were you aware that Police Scotland would present new costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will ask a quick question. When was a decision made to update the FM?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay, so it is a relatively new decision. You have the figures for the updated costs from Police Scotland. You say that you are discussing those with Police Scotland. Is there concern that the figures that it has presented as evidence could increase even more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thank you.