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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I have a couple of quick questions and I may come back on some specifics a bit later, if that is all right. I do not want to get too involved in individuals’ situations, but will you give us an update on the current chief executive’s situation and their future—or not—in the organisation?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
My last question is slightly different.
You answered some questions from Dr Allan on closures. You will appreciate that all that is happening is a great distraction from the work of the organisation. This is a slightly smaller example—and I will get the pronunciation wrong—but I have had raised with me the case of the Knocknagael stone, a Pictish carving that is more than 1,000 years old that it is alleged is not being looked after properly. A colleague of mine has written to Highland Council about it; the stone is under its care although it is your responsibility. No action has been taken in months.
Is there a concern that some of the bread-and-butter, day-to-day things—I know that these are not your responsibility—that HES is there to do, which are to protect our heritage, are not being done because there is so much going on in other parts of the organisation? Is the organisation fit for purpose in doing that primary job of protecting Scotland’s heritage?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
The obvious question then is, if there is the change that is being suggested, which you are opposed to, what happens? I represent the Highlands and Islands. We have the Highland league, which is very important. Orkney, where I am from, is in the North Caledonian league. Do you see an impact on those leagues, clubs and communities?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Without referring to any individuals, do you expect there to be changes and people leaving the organisation? Have you looked at whether, as people leave, there will be a requirement for redundancy payments or golden goodbyes? Have you set anything aside for that?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Convener, I may come back a bit later with more specific questions.
In relation to your role, Sir Mark, the cabinet secretary said that you will be focused on getting the organisation back on an even keel—those are my words, not his. Do you have timescales that you are working to? Has the Government set any targets for bringing stability back? Are there markers for when things are to improve by or be resolved by, to put it that way?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
On a practical point, are you in regular contact with the Government? Does that happen directly with HES? How is that relationship working?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I would be very impressed if you were aware of it. The concern is that there is so much going on that perhaps attention may not be on some of the day-to-day operations.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I have just a few more questions. I would like to go back to the chief executive. Sir Mark, or perhaps Andrew Davis, are you aware of any actions that have had to be taken to accommodate Katerina Brown coming back, albeit just to sign off or work on the accounts?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
It was quite widely reported in the media that Katerina Brown posted on LinkedIn:
“Sometimes we need a wee reminder ... the story depends on who is telling it”.
What role will Katerina Brown play or is she playing in any changes within the organisation and any investigations, inquiries and so on?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
On timescales, I am sorry if I missed this, but you are in the process of recruiting or appointing an interim chief operating officer. Do you know how long that will take? Do you have candidates who are already being considered? I take it that it will be somebody external rather than internal?