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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 March 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I appreciate why an organisation may want to meet with you as the cabinet secretary, particularly to speak about funding. However, those are issues that could have been dealt with at official level. Would they normally be dealt with at official level?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So, you were aware that there were issues, but you wanted to get a better idea of what the issues were.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Even if there had not been any issues within the organisation, I think that the public who are watching this meeting will ask why the cabinet secretary with responsibility for the organisation did not attend any board meetings and did not have that relationship. I think that they will be particularly surprised, shocked or appalled that, even when you were aware—you have said that you were aware—that there were serious issues with the organisation, you still did not attend board meetings. Do you understand why the public might be concerned about that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Did you request to attend a board meeting?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. You have talked about financial resources. There is a new chief operating officer, and I am not aware—you may or may not be aware—whether that position has been budgeted for. I asked Sir Mark Jones whether there would likely be redundancies, and he was not able to answer—understandably, given his role—but I think that he expects that people will be moving on. Do you expect that people will be leaving HES? Could some of the resources that you talked about be used to make redundancy payments or pay people off? If so, would you have to sign off that additional budget?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You talk about younger people. Last night, there may well have been people reading notes for this morning’s committee and watching games at the same time—it is not just young people who get distracted by such things.

I want to go on to what the alternatives are and what the impacts will be. There was one game last night on Sky and there were a lot of games on the club channels, such as Killie TV, Celtic TV and the like. Do you see an opportunity further down the line for the clubs? Do you get a share of that revenue if the game is shown on a club television channel?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It was a great frustration when we had the Olympics and even the Commonwealth Games. I always felt that we did not build on that legacy. I have been involved in sports clubs and even their national bodies—this is not necessarily football but other sports—do not take advantage of the huge coverage and success of those events and build on it.

On your point about how you take things forward and build on events, are you looking at other potential revenue streams? Are there other ways that you could, if not plug the gap, at least do things? I am sure that you are looking at them anyway because you are always looking, but what other areas are you are investigating? I appreciate that there is a limit on what you are able to do around the broadcast side if UEFA does the contracts and given the fact that the league is a different organisation.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I do not want to go over the same points again, but as somebody who watches quite a lot of football, one of the great frustrations is the point that George Adam makes, first about the standard of production, but also about the fact that, nowadays if you want to follow particular clubs you need to have almost 18 different subscriptions. That is a great frustration for a lot of people. First, do you think that that model will change? What seems to happen is that a new entrant comes into the broadcasting arena, bids high to get sports—whether it is the Scotland games or whatever it happens to be—shows them and then, because they have the subscribers, moves on and somebody else comes in. Is that likely to continue?

I am torn on this next question. I watched the Scottish cup final in a pub—as people will know, Aberdeen won—and there is a huge camaraderie from that but it is also vital for our hospitality sector. However, I am also conscious that that excludes a huge number of people. What do you think the impact of having free-to-air games is on the next generation? If Scotland is on free-to-air television and the team is also successful, what impact does that have on the take-up of the sport, participation and that kind of thing? I will leave it there for now and let you answer.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So, there is a bit of good news but the worry is that we might not be able to take advantage of it.

My last question is around the commercial relationships. How have those changed? I am thinking, obviously, about sponsorship as well as other commercial relationships that the SFA has. What is the picture now in terms of proving that those are successful and is that getting more difficult?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thanks, Ian. I will leave it there.