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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Well, detail it.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I welcome that.

We have all sat on committees where Scottish statutory instruments have come through late, or UK Government legislation has come through late from the Scottish Government for consideration. Sometimes it is the responsibility of the Scottish Government that things are late; sometimes it is the responsibility of the UK Government. I hope that we all accept that.

I will move to another point. You have raised some concerns, issues and frustrations, and we can accept that some of them are understandable. Some of them are the same frustrations that local authorities in Scotland have with the Government about their relationship and engagement. I am not asking the cabinet secretary for particular examples but, first, would you recognise that point? Secondly, are there areas where the relationship between the Scottish Government and local government could provide more of a guide when it comes to relationships with the UK Government?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It is more about your experiences. I recognise that there are differences between the two relationships, but I wanted to know whether there is anything like best practice.

A more practical issue has been raised, which has been hinted at in our conversations today. A huge amount of the work that goes on is civil servants behind the scenes. There is a recognition, probably on both sides, that some civil servants in the Scottish Government do not always understand the pressures that UK civil servants work under, and vice versa, which has implications. It was suggested that there could be more exchange and more opportunities for working together. I know that there is some exchange. We were down there just before or after a week of engagement. I wondered whether more consideration could be given to interaction between civil servants and officials, to allow both sides perhaps to get a better understanding of the challenges.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I would not question that at all. As I say, it is more of a positive. The issue is not simply a lack of meetings—not just sitting in an office for a day—but a lack of practical experiences. What happens when a piece of legislation is delayed or the budget is put out late—things like that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

This is a question to be asked of the Scottish Government. The party in the Scottish Government has said not that it will push for another referendum but that there will be another referendum. There has to be some legality to that in order to deliver it; indeed, as Mr Robertson has quite rightly pointed out, it has to be a legal and acceptable referendum.

From what you are saying, Mr Robertson, you seem to be suggesting that there is no legal plan. The secret plan—or the plan that is being kept secret, I should say—is simply to do what you have done before and hope that circumstances—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The point that I am trying to extract from you—[Interruption.] Obviously, it is frustrating Mr Brown, and I apologise for that. Essentially, the First Minister of Scotland has said that there is a secret plan. Sorry—he said that there is a plan. It was described as “secret” by a former First Minster, and we have taken that into account.

It is clear that you are not offering anything different. There is no difference from what has been offered in the past.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will just add one point that is almost in line with that, which Mr Mackie could perhaps answer. It is not always a question of UK Government departments ignoring Scotland and Scottish issues; some of the big UK Government departments ignore other UK Government departments, because they are so siloed and so focused on their own areas. Is that an issue or an excuse that you accept?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Mr Robertson, this is an inquiry into a legal mechanism, and we are taking evidence on this matter. The whole point of these sorts of inquiries—and some might question whether there is, indeed, a point to this inquiry—is to take evidence from experts and yourself. I am not suggesting that you are not an expert, or that you do not have any insight into this—that was not my intention—but the point is that we are trying to get this information.

I go back, then, to the question that I asked: is there a plan? Let us not call it a secret plan—let us call it a plan that the SNP wants to keep secret for the moment—but is there a plan for delivering independence? The First Minister was quite clear at your conference—he said that there was a precedent. When the SNP wins a majority, there will be a referendum. How is that going to be delivered? Is it simply rhetoric, or is there a detailed plan? Is there a legal path to a referendum? Can you give us more details on that? After all, I think that that is the salient point in relation to this inquiry.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So the secret plan is to do what you have already done but have not yet achieved.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Yes or no—is there a secret plan? Is there a plan for independence?