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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 November 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

I agree. My mantra has always been that we do not have an IT system that can collate and gather the data and give us the output that we need. Dr Holford wants to come in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Briefly, Callum Hood has something to say.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Thank you. I could spend all day talking about data, its collection and how we utilise it.

For me, one of the difficulties with what happened, certainly within the UK, including in Scotland, was that we used the phrase “follow the science” a lot, without explaining what that means. Of course, the science changed and evolved as we began to understand more. How did Governments respond to that change, how were we able to communicate it, and did that compound the difficulty that we had in maintaining a line of communication?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning to the panel. It is good to see you in person.

I will start with Mr Humpherson. I have long talked about the need to create systems that are not just a collection of data. Our ability to collaborate, communicate and use the data in the most effective way is not where it should be, not just in Scotland but in the rest of the UK. The pandemic has highlighted to a great degree that we need to do better. Where are we with that? What lessons have we learned? What actions have been taken to increase our background information technology system, which allows a colossal amount of data to be gathered and collated?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

It would be really interesting to get the two of you together, as two significant players in this area, to understand where the disconnect is.

I have one further small question, following on from my colleague John Mason’s question, about how television and radio put information across as the science evolves. Early in the pandemic, Jason Leitch and Nicola Sturgeon said that the evidence for masks was not there. Of course, as the science evolved, the evidence for masks was there. Early on, those working in the public health environment would be saying that we should be careful what we say to people, but things can completely change. Are you susceptible to a certain amount of criticism, especially around free speech, if you prevent people from saying something that becomes the reality a wee bit later on?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

I will be very quick.

Dr Phin, what impact did SARS and avian flu have on our thinking? I think that it was suspected that there could be 50,000 deaths from avian flu in the UK, but it turned out to be something like 464. Did that stat influence the way in which we approached this particular pandemic?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Does anyone else want to come in on that question before I add a supplementary?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

I thank the panel members for their time this morning.

As soon as information was put into the public domain, it seemed that other experts suddenly sprang up trying to say exactly the opposite. We seemed to collect a deluge of data. How far are we able to collate that data and communicate that in the public domain in a way that can easily be consumed? A lot of data was put on to websites such as the FACTS or NHS Inform websites, but I am not sure how many people actually visited those websites. Were Governments behind the curve in their ability to combat misinformation? Will Moy, could you answer that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Will Moy, I saw you nod your head. Would you like to add something?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Tracey Brown, I assume that you would like to come in on the “follow the science” comment.