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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Brian Whittle

The main barrier to hydrogen is potentially the offtake. That was also mentioned earlier. The Scottish Government is investing in the development of green hydrogen, and has a fund for that, as does the UK. I am pleased to hear that the two Governments are starting to work closer together to develop that. The main issue is offtake. If there is no offtake, the site will not develop hydrogen.

I totally accept that the UK Government is not moving quickly enough on SAF, and that we will end up importing far too much of it, as we discussed at committee last week. However, I put it to you that the Scottish Government needs to ensure that the site at Grangemouth is utilised to its fullest extent. The level of capex to develop the facilities from scratch probably goes beyond what we would find possible. Therefore, to decarbonise, we will have to utilise the site to its fullest. What support does the Scottish Government need to provide to ensure that that happens?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Good morning, cabinet secretary. As we heard earlier, the wider impact of the closure on the decarbonisation programme is, as I would argue, the opposite. There is a carbonisation, if you like, with the offshoring of refining and the importing of the refined product into Scotland. To combat that—this follows on from Murdo Fraser’s questions—we need to develop the site. It is a major industrial hub and one of the biggest in Scotland. Ineos is already working with blue hydrogen, and the previous panel talked about potentially going into green hydrogen. We have also talked about the development of SAF. However, one of the biggest barriers to the development of hydrogen at scale is the initial capex that is required to develop the size of site that is required. The infrastructure is there, as are the skilled workers.

Something else that Ineos said this morning that came over loud and clear to me was that Government policies, decisions and support will need to move much more quickly to allow the jobs to be there for the workers who are going to lose their current jobs. You said that you are already creating jobs. I spoke to a recruitment company that is currently stripping out the oil and gas sector in the North Sea, and it is almost exclusively going abroad. We need to move more quickly on that.

What is the Scottish Government doing to ensure that we develop the site into a hydrogen hub, a SAF hub and an import hub?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

I am happy to do that. Again, I spent some time with NATS last week to understand exactly what is required from a radar system from its perspective. However, that is not just at Prestwick; it is a network of radar systems across Scotland.

10:15  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

I would like to address one more issue. I heard that there was a runway report in 2019. I presume that you are aware of that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

I am pleased to hear the cabinet secretary take that approach, but it stands in contrast to what I heard earlier from the airport, to be frank.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Sorry—the board reports to the shareholder, which is the Scottish Government. The board’s commercial interest is therefore your commercial interest.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Do you accept, though, that mitigation from wind farms should not be seen as an income stream?

11:45  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Mr Forgie, I have twice asked a really simple question: is the money that is coming from the wind farms to mitigate any issue with radar being ring-fenced specifically to upgrade your radar? That is all that I am asking you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Just so you know, I spoke to NATS last week, specifically, so that I understood the issue. I have also spoken to wind farm developers. I know that there are other on-going public inquiries, but I am talking specifically about Clauchrie and Sanquhar, and these things are in the public domain. I will quote from the Sanquhar report, which said that the minister’s response agreed with the reporter’s conclusion that

“there is no basis to require ongoing compensatory payments to be made.”

My concern here is that you are using wind farm money specifically—[Interruption.] Do not shake your head, Mr. Forgie, that is what it says in the report. It says that you are using wind farms as an income stream. It also says you must show how you are using that money specifically to mitigate any demonstrable issues with wind farms. That is what the report says. Do you agree that, if that is the case, and those things are sitting in your ledger, they will have to come out, which will impact the profitability of the airport?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Mr Forgie, it says it in the public inquiry report. You cannot disagree with the reporter and the minister.