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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 October 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

Welcome, cabinet secretary. We know the cost of having dealt with Covid previously. You indicated to other members that, looking ahead, there is a budget that assumes further Covid spending. However, on dealing with the fallout of Covid, there is a cost associated with other conditions that were affected by the Covid restrictions. I refer to cancer, elective surgery, mental health, obesity and physical fitness, for example. We know that to be true, which is why I was interested in your last answer to John Mason. Will the Covid recovery budget reflect our ability to deal with that fallout from Covid? It will inevitably turn up somewhere in the ledger.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

We wait with interest to see whether raising taxes actually puts more money into the budget.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

I will go back to my original question, on the funding of treatment for non-Covid-related conditions during the Covid recovery. We know from data that those most affected by Covid and those who had the worst outcomes had other health conditions such as obesity, type 2 diabetes or heart conditions.

We are looking ahead and discussing the preventative agenda, as we prepare for future pandemics. From talking to the OECD, we know that it is not only us doing that: all Governments are dealing with what is in front of them at the moment and it can be difficult to look further ahead. Given what we know about the impact that Covid had on people with other conditions, would it not be prudent to start looking at how we can tackle Scotland’s poor record on health? The cabinet secretary knows that I am very interested in that subject. Would it not be prudent to start looking at how we can tackle that poor health record as we look ahead to future pandemics?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

We agree on the outcomes that we want. Outcomes are important, but we currently have a poor report card for health compared to many countries in Europe. I was really exercised about this topic before Covid.

I agree that a lot of positive health outcomes will be tackled outwith the health service. Correct me if I am wrong—I am sure that you will—but I think that 44 per cent of our budget is now spent on health and there has been a reduction of 27 per cent in the local government budget. However, many of the interventions that are required to deal with the impacts of Covid will be dealt with by local government. How do you square that circle, cabinet secretary?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Monitoring Covid-19 Recovery

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

In relation to planning for the next pandemic, are you saying that we are being reactive and that Governments are looking at what is in front of them right now, rather than at what is coming down the line, so the whole preventative agenda has been parked? Do we need to try to lift our heads and look further down the track?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Monitoring Covid-19 Recovery

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

My last question on that subject is about the collection of data. Are we collecting the right data to be able to detail the impact of Covid not only on the population but on non-Covid-related conditions? Are we able to disaggregate the data to be able to plan ahead?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

I said that the percentages of the budget had moved.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Monitoring Covid-19 Recovery

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you.

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

I have heard that confidence before, cabinet secretary.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

Government is choices, is it not?