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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 October 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

I would like to address one more issue. I heard that there was a runway report in 2019. I presume that you are aware of that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

I am pleased to hear the cabinet secretary take that approach, but it stands in contrast to what I heard earlier from the airport, to be frank.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Sorry—the board reports to the shareholder, which is the Scottish Government. The board’s commercial interest is therefore your commercial interest.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Do you accept, though, that mitigation from wind farms should not be seen as an income stream?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Mr Forgie, I have twice asked a really simple question: is the money that is coming from the wind farms to mitigate any issue with radar being ring-fenced specifically to upgrade your radar? That is all that I am asking you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Just so you know, I spoke to NATS last week, specifically, so that I understood the issue. I have also spoken to wind farm developers. I know that there are other on-going public inquiries, but I am talking specifically about Clauchrie and Sanquhar, and these things are in the public domain. I will quote from the Sanquhar report, which said that the minister’s response agreed with the reporter’s conclusion that

“there is no basis to require ongoing compensatory payments to be made.”

My concern here is that you are using wind farm money specifically—[Interruption.] Do not shake your head, Mr. Forgie, that is what it says in the report. It says that you are using wind farms as an income stream. It also says you must show how you are using that money specifically to mitigate any demonstrable issues with wind farms. That is what the report says. Do you agree that, if that is the case, and those things are sitting in your ledger, they will have to come out, which will impact the profitability of the airport?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Mr Forgie, it says it in the public inquiry report. You cannot disagree with the reporter and the minister.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

Can you demonstrate that everything that is coming out from the wind farm payments is being ring-fenced specifically to pay for an upgrade of radar?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

The airport has a commercial interest and reports to the board—the Scottish Government, which is the shareholder.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Glasgow Prestwick Airport

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Brian Whittle

I am afraid that the evidence that I have taken from NATS disagrees with that. I understand that the Terma radar system is currently in the process of potentially being deployed. Having spoken to the wind farm operators, they are absolutely agreed that they have to pay some mitigation, but that has to be demonstrated by the airport, which they say has not been done.

The report also says that

“there is no basis to require ongoing compensatory payments to be made”

That is a quote directly from the cabinet secretary. The reporter also says that he is clear that a per megawatt basis for the calculation of any contribution would not be appropriate. I understand that there are more findings coming down the road, but those points are made in the reports on Clauchrie and Sanquhar.

What is important is that there is an agreement that the wind farms should provide mitigation and that there should be a capital expenditure payment for any upgrade or replacement of a radar system. However, the reports say that you have not quantified that and that you are trying to get on-going payments out of wind farms to pay for a radar system that is still not in operation even though the wind farms are up and the airport is still functioning. Again, I am saying to you that the mitigation is being used as an income stream. That is what the reports say.