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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

We will move on a little in our line of questions. If you do not mind, we will come back to that in further questions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

A presumption for sustainable use, as long as—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

—it does not compromise the objectives.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

You heard what the AFPO representative David Anderson said, and the point was also made in AFPO’s written submission. He was quite clear that the engagement with the mobile gear sector was initiated in 2014 but that it was not until after Brexit—post-2021—that the static gear sector was alerted and it was suggested to Marine Scotland that it should be engaged with. According to the organisation’s evidence, it has had only two meetings, over a period of two years, since 2021. That contradicts what you have said.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

That touches on my next question. We have data collection for one purpose, but there is also data collection in relation to compliance. Are you considering further implementation of REM across vessels for compliance reasons?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we hear from the rest of the panel, Phil, you touched on the fact that you, Calum Duncan and other stakeholders have been involved in this process right from the start. We often hear the Government talk about co-design and co-development, but, in your view, does the instrument in front of us reflect the discussions you have had throughout the process of developing the instrument?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

A lot of this will be down to confidence. Calum Duncan touched on confidence in the data. A report to Parliament suggests that only 30 per cent of the MPA network is moving towards meeting objectives, and the Government does not know about another 10 per cent. We have all this legislation, but if you look at the Government’s record, you will see nothing that suggests that MPAs are delivering what they should. The lack of transparency and the lack of data are not helping the situation.

Caitlin Turner touched on the release of carbon from bottom dredging. I have not seen any evidence at all to suggest that that is significant or is something that we should be concerned about, but that is one thing that we often hear. The last time that Phil Taylor was here, we discussed a suggestion that bottom trawling was emitting as much carbon as international air travel, which was later disputed.

There is a lack of peer-reviewed, proper science and a lack of progress in relation to MPAs. How do we ensure that there is confidence in the industry and non-governmental organisations that we will achieve the outcomes?

It is a bit like the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill. We will set nature targets, but unless we have the policies in place to deliver them, targets are absolutely hopeless. With MPAs, we do not even know what the targets are and whether we are getting close to them. Is this all about far more investment in data collection and confidence in that data?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

Yes, we will certainly come to static gear concerns in some later questions.

What will the practical implications of the measures be for your members if the instrument is passed?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

On the back of that, do the regulations allow innovation potentially to open up areas that are closed off? For example, the N-Virodredge is a different harrow, developed in my hometown of Kirkcudbright, that uses spring tines as part of the scallop dredging. That has less impact on the seabed and reduces fuel consumption. Do the regulations allow for innovation like that to prompt reconsideration of where you can and cannot fish? Are you able to do that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Finlay Carson

You have already read Tim Eagle’s mind, because he has a question on how your members might get involved. Tim, it is over to you.