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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 217 disagreed to.

Section 10 agreed to.

After section 10

Amendment 28 moved—[Mark Ruskell].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

The question is, that amendment 28 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

There will be a division.

For

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Tweed, Evelyn (Stirling) (SNP)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 1, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 28 disagreed to.

Section 11—Scottish Natural Heritage representation on advisory panels

Amendment 218 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I have a fairly straightforward question. There is some dubiety, and I know that you are trying to bring in a level of certainty about some of the decisions that NatureScot might make. Is it your understanding that, under the bill, there will be an obligation on NatureScot to work with landowners before potentially bringing in a control order?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I call Beatrice Wishart to speak to amendment 222 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I am aware that five members have spoken on this group of amendments and we have another five to go. Given that it is 12:30, I seek members’ approval to suspend the meeting until 6 o’clock. It is unlikely that we would get through the group until well after 1, and that does not take into consideration the voting. Unless there are any dissenting voices, I will suspend the meeting until 6 o’clock this evening.

12:30 Meeting suspended.  

18:00 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I call Emma Harper to speak to amendment 240 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I call the minister to speak to amendment 71 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I am still a bit concerned. You mentioned the advice that was given in relation to the submission in 2023. Proposed new section 6BZ is all about intervening for nature and climate objectives—surely that is exactly what that provision is about. The advice that the then minister received suggested that

“To go beyond preventing damage is a significant shift in balance between public and private interests and we could expect challenges to this proposal on European Convention on Human Rights grounds”.

Is that advice not absolutely applicable to proposed new section 6ZB, as it was to the submission back in 2023?