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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 October 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

There is concern that, as you suggest, the Parliament lacks the ability to scrutinise secondary legislation because it is a take-it-or-leave-it situation. That might be an issue.

I will bring in Rachael Hamilton.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

The bill requires the Scottish Government to consult on a draft plan. At the risk of going over ground that we have already covered, I note that there is no obligation to consult in making the plan itself. Given that the bill might cover other areas that it does not cover at the moment, and given your previous response, surely it would be sensible to consult as part of the work on the initial plan rather than the draft plan. Moreover, should the bill not contain an obligation on public bodies to consult during the formation of their plans rather than draft plans, to ensure that stakeholders, those with lived experience and organisations that represent older people with malnutrition or children who receive school meals are heard?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I have a final question. What will private businesses’ involvement be and how will they play their part?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Although we understand that legislation is required to necessitate public bodies to produce a plan, it is not required for the Government to publish a plan. Are there practical implications in that regard? Does that potentially change the purpose of the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the ninth meeting in session 6 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent mode.

Our first item of business is an evidence session on the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill with Scottish Government officials. I welcome George Burgess, who is the deputy director in food and drink; Ashley Cooke, who is the head of food policy; James Hamilton, who is a solicitor; and Tracy McCollin, who is the head of the bill team.

I invite George Burgess to make some opening remarks.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will move to questions. Mr Burgess, I understand that you will field the questions and direct them to the appropriate official. I appreciate that.

I will kick off with a question on the pre-legislative consultation. As you said, the good food nation policy has been in development since 2009. In 2017, the Scottish food commission made recommendations on a bill and on other aspects of food policy, then issues were raised in the consultation on the bill. Among the issues were whether the bill would deal with public health, food insecurity, provenance and local procurement of food, food waste and food education. To what extent have those recommendations been included in the bill? If they have not been included, why have they not?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Should the Parliament not play a role in deciding what those functions are, to ensure that its concerns are addressed, rather than leave it to the Government’s discretion to decide which functions will fall under the requirement of paying due regard to the good food nation plans? I know that lists are dangerous because, often, it is not what is included in a list but what is not included in it that is important. We have provision for secondary legislation that might address that at some point, but is there not an argument for the bill specifying some of those functions rather than waiting for secondary legislation? When is it likely that secondary legislation will be introduced on that?

The Parliament might decide that the nutrition of elderly people is important and that we want it to be a principle of the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill that is always referred to when anything emerges that might have an impact on it, but the Government might not suggest that as one of its specified functions. Why is there not an opportunity for the specified functions to be laid out in the primary legislation and, potentially, added to in the secondary legislation?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

No, just ask your supplementary question just now. Thanks.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Jim Fairlie has a supplementary question.

11:30  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Finlay Carson

We will move on to questions on the purpose, scope and content of the bill.